PantherDave Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Well nothing has surfaced other than the one article, so in taking the "article" Foster made these statements and not Coach Fox, and until I see or hear it from the Fox's mouth nothing's changed-Foster is the starter at RB with Davis getting between 8-12 carries a game-just my thought's -nothing confirmed. Peace PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) this was dated 8/29 and is from Pro Football Weekly's Whispers around the NFL: Word out of Panthers camp is that not much is being expected of RB Stephen Davis as he returns from knee surgery. The Panthers have enough depth at running back to bring Davis along slowly, and our sources have said that any production from Davis this year would be considered a bonus. link Edited August 30, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 this was dated 8/29 and is from Pro Football Weekly's Whispers around the NFL: Word out of Panthers camp is that not much is being expected of RB Stephen Davis as he returns from knee surgery. The Panthers have enough depth at running back to bring Davis along slowly, and our sources have said that any production from Davis this year would be considered a bonus. link 957363[/snapback] That make me feel a little more comfortable having Foster as a #2 in two leagues . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 this was dated 8/29 and is from Pro Football Weekly's Whispers around the NFL: Word out of Panthers camp is that not much is being expected of RB Stephen Davis as he returns from knee surgery. The Panthers have enough depth at running back to bring Davis along slowly, and our sources have said that any production from Davis this year would be considered a bonus. link 957363[/snapback] Thanks Hook, I had read this one as well, but I think He's in better shape than this article claims. Time will tell on all of this-ah nothing like a side drama to go with the SB quest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rattsass Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Thanks Hook, I had read this one as well, but I think He's in better shape than this article claims. Time will tell on all of this-ah nothing like a side drama to go with the SB quest. 957381[/snapback] Has anybody ever come back sucessfully from microfracture surgery? I think Davis will be a starter only in honor to the work he has put in to come back but I don't see how he could carry any kind of a sustained workload. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelhead Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Has anybody ever come back sucessfully from microfracture surgery? I think Davis will be a starter only in honor to the work he has put in to come back but I don't see how he could carry any kind of a sustained workload. 957434[/snapback] I believe Foster had the same surgery done 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted August 30, 2005 Author Share Posted August 30, 2005 I believe Foster had the same surgery done 2 years ago. 957441[/snapback] Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Has anybody ever come back sucessfully from microfracture surgery? I think Davis will be a starter only in honor to the work he has put in to come back but I don't see how he could carry any kind of a sustained workload. 957434[/snapback] not too mention his age. i honestly don't see how it could happen. (him being elevated over deshaun and being the main man there) wasn't deshaun going to take this job anyway......last yr? did something change drastically over that time besides both being shelved? i would think that goings would have more value in fantasy than davis(especially with the showing of shelton in preseason). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sacrebleu Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 not too mention his age. i honestly don't see how it could happen. (him being elevated over deshaun and being the main man there) wasn't deshaun going to take this job anyway......last yr? did something change drastically over that time besides both being shelved? i would think that goings would have more value in fantasy than davis(especially with the showing of shelton in preseason). 957455[/snapback] Being in two leagues where Crispee has drafted DeShaun (0ne of which was essentially a first round pick) I am just loving his Foster's-the-man-davis-is-a-washed-out-octogenarian routine. I don't think he brings any facts whatsoever to the debate, but his singleminded wishful thinking makes for good debate stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Being in two leagues where Crispee has drafted DeShaun (0ne of which was essentially a first round pick) I am just loving his Foster's-the-man-davis-is-a-washed-out-octogenarian routine. I don't think he brings any facts whatsoever to the debate, but his singleminded wishful thinking makes for good debate stuff. 957467[/snapback] ouch, called out. i have been fond of mr. foster since he came into the league. he was a dynamic back in college. the fact of the matter, is that he is a totally unproven commodity in this league. we don't know his value yet. we don't even know if he is capable of playing a string of games let alone a whole season. i still think that davis is forked however. up until a month ago, the only people that thought davis had any chance of coming back were his agent and himself. its the age that he's coming back from that injury that is of concern. deshaun, if healthy, is the best thing they have at rb. that is my belief and i will stick with that. sac, you don't know, but i also have him as my 3rd rb in fusion too. and hey, benson won't be playing much the first few weeks so the foster pick in homers was a great one. in the doh league, it was a necessity after i made the awesome move of holding on to tatum bell as one of my 3 keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sacrebleu Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 ouch, called out. 957511[/snapback] LOL. yeah I do the same thing with specific players also. In fact I'd targeted S Davis as a late round sleeper in my 3 BOTH leagues, it just so happens that draft time in 2 of those leagues was right around the same time some people started posting that S davis might be the starter. So my sleeper was now being scooped up well before he should be. I of course have been keeping particular attention to the RB situation in Carolina due to my owning the team in 32 homers and my banking on him as a possible starter for the first couple of weeks in that league... ...I just don't post repeatedly "S Davis is definitely the man because Foster is injury prone, fumble prone, and defers to Davis, and Fox wants to give Davis every chance to reclaim his job" with no actual information other than wishful thinking BTW are we on for the betting league. Who is in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 It's pretty foolish to think that Davis will have no impact, or any other back besides Foster just because Foster is named the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 ouch, called out. i have been fond of mr. foster since he came into the league. he was a dynamic back in college. the fact of the matter, is that he is a totally unproven commodity in this league. we don't know his value yet. we don't even know if he is capable of playing a string of games let alone a whole season. i still think that davis is forked however. up until a month ago, the only people that thought davis had any chance of coming back were his agent and himself. its the age that he's coming back from that injury that is of concern. deshaun, if healthy, is the best thing they have at rb. that is my belief and i will stick with that. sac, you don't know, but i also have him as my 3rd rb in fusion too. and hey, benson won't be playing much the first few weeks so the foster pick in homers was a great one. in the doh league, it was a necessity after i made the awesome move of holding on to tatum bell as one of my 3 keepers. 957511[/snapback] Nope, I have kept a very close eye on Davis for the last six months, and have said (and even argued on this board) that I thought he had a very good chance of getting back on the field and playing well early in the season. He used his rehab time to work on his leg strength and has claimed his legs are in better shape then they have ever been. If I was a Foster owner, I'd be worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcmast Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Nope, I have kept a very close eye on Davis for the last six months, and have said (and even argued on this board) that I thought he had a very good chance of getting back on the field and playing well early in the season. He used his rehab time to work on his leg strength and has claimed his legs are in better shape then they have ever been. If I was a Foster owner, I'd be worried. 957722[/snapback] I'm glad I passed up Foster and waited another round for Fred Taylor to fall into my lap. And with DDavis as my #1 RB, I'll never have to worry about injuries again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 i really don't need to defend myelf here. we'll see what happens in a week and who ends up being right. i have no problem coming out and saying i'm wrong. though i suspect i won't have too. heres blurbs from the blogger, rove should have seen all these. this was before training camp: he most interesting Panthers contract discussion is the one they're not having. RB DeShaun Foster enters training camp next weekend as the unquestioned starter, since RB Stephen Davis isn't 100 percent back from knee surgery and RB Eric Shelton's a rookie. Of the group, he clearly has the most to prove, starting with staying on the field. He's in the tricky spot of having one year to prove himself, with only his reputation as a player and financial future at stake. It's a risky hand of poker for sure, but it appears Foster's going "all in" on himself this year. sounds like a guy i would rather take a chance on then an old man coming back from the hardest injury. considering RB Stephen Davis' age, 31, and the presence of RBs DeShaun Foster and Eric Shelton, it's best not to rush Davis. If he is going to make a full recovery and return to his previous form, it's going to be a process that could include Davis getting minimal playing time at first and building it up as the season goes on. more:Microfracture surgery involves articular cartilage, which covers the moving surface inside the knee. “What happens is that breaks, so you have to clean that area out and then you have a hole, a divot in the bone,” Vermillion said. “That has to be covered back in with scarring. “If you’re not patient it keeps cracking and cracking.” Players often return from arthroscopic surgery in a matter of weeks. They typically are able to put weight on the knee within days of leaving the hospital. Microfracture surgery often requires the leg to be immobilized for two months before it can sustain any weight, and even then it’s in small portions. Foster said that period of inactivity wears on you mentally and physically. “It’s tough, but he’s through the toughest part of it,” he said of Davis. “He’s already started running on the treadmill, so it’s pretty much downhill from here.” That doesn’t guarantee Davis will be ready. Foster had two extra months to heal before training camp and he was six years younger than Davis, who turned 31 in March. Davis also has had a history of injuries. He has played a full 16 games once since entering the league in 1996 as a fourth-round pick out of Auburn. okay, he's old, played a full season once in his career. so he's got that going for him. Carolina coach John Fox said he'll be nervous watching Davis practice. "It's kind of a double-edge sword - I'm happy to see him out there, but you kind of hold your breath a little bit," Fox said. is this how you want your head coach feeling about playing you?? we'll see the last preseason game how this is progressing. i promise not to crow to much when i'm right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Being in two leagues where Crispee has drafted DeShaun (0ne of which was essentially a first round pick) I am just loving his Foster's-the-man-davis-is-a-washed-out-octogenarian routine. I don't think he brings any facts whatsoever to the debate, but his singleminded wishful thinking makes for good debate stuff. 957467[/snapback] Funny, Crispee the Cedric Benson owner lashed out at me yesterday when I suggested that Benson wouldn't be carrying the load until after the bye and that Thomas Jones could still see a lot of third-down action. Talk about wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 BTW are we on for the betting league. Who is in? 957538[/snapback] As if it needs to be said, - or more likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Funny, Crispee the Cedric Benson owner lashed out at me yesterday when I suggested that Benson wouldn't be carrying the load until after the bye and that Thomas Jones could still see a lot of third-down action. Talk about wishful thinking. 957934[/snapback] take up your fight about benson with dmd. he's just as high on him as i am and also has him on more teams. i have my hands full with this foster/davis debate. btw, benson today says he wants to be the starter by the second game. lovie quipped back, jones is the starter. i will still stand by my earlier prediction that he gets at least a few looks in the first game. back to foster/davis. anybody care to put a little cash on it??? 10 dollar simple bet. whoever finishes the season with better fantasy stats (the huddles stats, perf. scoring) wins the bet. i will take on the first ten people who wish to take me up on this. how's that for wishful thinking biaaatches!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Sacrebleu Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 back to foster/davis. anybody care to put a little cash on it??? 10 dollar simple bet. whoever finishes the season with better fantasy stats (the huddles stats, perf. scoring) wins the bet. i will take on the first ten people who wish to take me up on this. how's that for wishful thinking biaaatches!!! 958137[/snapback] Personally, I'm just busting your balls. And enjoying seeing you sweat this one out. Ultimately I do think that Foster gets a majority of the carries. I would not like to have to depend on him as a primary back knowing that 1) he's injury prone 2) Has never proven to be a #1 starting NFL back 3) a healthy S Davis could take away a good quarter of his carries at the very least. I certainly would not take that bet, but if you gave me Davis +375 yds, I'd take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 take up your fight about benson with dmd. 958137[/snapback] Oh, after YOU snapped at me yesterday, I'm supposed to "take it up with DMD"?! Whatever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Oh, after YOU snapped at me yesterday, I'm supposed to "take it up with DMD"?! Whatever... 959865[/snapback] how bad did i snap on you......i couldn't find the thread to see. you might get a retraction if i was out of line. but i doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Not interested in a bet crisp, but it's an interesting debate. Davis has been saying for months now that the knee felt fine, but the doctors ordered him to refrain from wieght bearing excersizes. The danger is that as that article mentioned, unless the newly formed cartilage has enough time to solidify, it can be damaged if some activities like running are done too soon. So, instead he spent his rehab time doing other types of excersizes on his legs. There really isn't a reliable way to know how calcified the new tissue is, so caution and going slowly is the wisest strategy. The real test of his knee is running and cutting, things that put a lot of wieght on the new cartilage. Since he has been able to do that without complications so far, that is a very positive sign. Reports say he has looked fast and has had no issues with making sharp cuts. That is the biggest step on his recovery, much more so than contact. The reason Fox says he's holding his breath is that there remains a risk that at any given time, the newly formed cartilage could crack, if it isn't sufficiently calcified and hardened. That sort of problem is most likely to happen when he puts a lot of wieght on the knee when making a cut. He's been doing that in practice, which again is the biggest test. I would have to think that with his salary, they would cut him if they thought he couldn't play. Now, it's up to Fox to decided who the starter should be, or if it will be some RBBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 I agree w/ Rovers post above... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 how bad did i snap on you......i couldn't find the thread to see. you might get a retraction if i was out of line. but i doubt it. 959911[/snapback] "Blah, blah, blah. If you disagree with my fantasy draft picks, you're WRONG! Blah, blah, blah." Get over yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Hey muck, how do you really feel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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