RokoMotion Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I took Steve Smith as a 2nd WR in my league behind C. Johnson, but I'm worried about his offense. Would Nate Burleson have been a better choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Coin flip; I see them in the same tier and can't really find much reason to separate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I'll go with Burleson, simply because MIN's defense dictates that Daunte will throw the ball a lot. That's probably not going to be the case in CAR and Fox prefers to run the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I'll go with Burleson, simply because MIN's defense dictates that Daunte will throw the ball a lot. That's probably not going to be the case in CAR and Fox prefers to run the ball. 957923[/snapback] How do explain Mushin's numbers last year then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 That's probably not going to be the case in CAR and Fox prefers to run the ball. 957923[/snapback] I agree on that point, but by the same token I'd say Delhomme strapping the team to his back last year and keeping them in the playoff hunt until the last week should at least remove any reservations Fox may have about putting the ball in his hands in key situations. I'd say he'll split the difference on his '03 and '04 stats, which is 3500 yds and 24 tds - and given the lack of pass-catching backs and TEs in Car, the vast majority of that goes to WRs. Pep will throw the ball more, but he's got more targets at WR, RB, AND TE than Delhomme to spread it around to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 How do explain Mushin's numbers last year then. 957943[/snapback] Might have had something to do with the Cats being down to their 5th or 6th string RB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Jerry Porter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I'll go with Steve Smith since he has less competition of rivaling talent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Might have had something to do with the Cats being down to their 5th or 6th string RB.... 957950[/snapback] It seems to me that there is a likelyhood that they will be down to their 3rd and 4th stringers as the season wears on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonehand Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I would say they are fairly equal, but Burleson has more upside and is younger, which would be the deciding factor for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 It seems to me that there is a likelyhood that they will be down to their 3rd and 4th stringers as the season wears on. 957967[/snapback] Not the most unlikely scenario I've ever heard...though draftee Shelton has talent and Goings should have the confidence of the coaching staff by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk37 Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Did you not see Culepepper and Burleson tear it up last year when Moss was out. I expect a big year out of Burleson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Regardless of Chavez' insight, I will go with Steve Smith due to the fact that he has proven that he his capable of handling being a #1 WR. (if it is for only one full year). Nate definately has more upside....but he also has more downside than Steve Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) Did you not see Culepepper and Burleson tear it up last year when Moss was out. I expect a big year out of Burleson. 957989[/snapback] 29-397-4 over 5 games ain't bad; of course, he went 11-141-1 against GB's awful D so that tempers the enthusiasm a bit. Still, he got 26% of Pep's comp (29-113), 33% of his passing yds (397/1181), and 40% of his tds (4/10). If Pep is in the neighborhood of his 3-year averages (336-4016-27) and those ratios hold, yeah, that's a VERY nice year (84-1300-9). Edit: or simply triple his 5-game run and you get 87-1200-12. Of course, the smaller the sample size, the more likely it's skewed in some way. Edited August 30, 2005 by Chavez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Pilgrim Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I took Burleson, then came back and took S. Smith. I like them both and expect strong WR numbers from each of them. I took Burleson at the end of the 3rd round, then took Horn to start the 4th, and came back with S. Smith in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpin Johnies Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Did you not see Culepepper and Burleson tear it up last year when Moss was out. I expect a big year out of Burleson. 957989[/snapback] I thought you got bounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I took Burleson, then came back and took S. Smith. I like them both and expect strong WR numbers from each of them. I took Burleson at the end of the 3rd round, then took Horn to start the 4th, and came back with S. Smith in the 5th. 958014[/snapback] Nice WRs. And before it gets said, I have no axe to grind in either direction; as a matter of fact, my 1/2 WR punch in a league is going to be Smith/Burleson, which I'm pretty happy with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Did you not see Culepepper and Burleson tear it up last year when Moss was out. I expect a big year out of Burleson. 957989[/snapback] Dude!?! What games were you watching cuase I only see 1 game were Nate "Tore It Up" 10/24 6 catches for 53 yards 10/31 NYG 6 catches for 43 yards and 1 TD 11/08 @IND 1 catch for 8 yards and 1 TD 11/14 @GB 11 catches for 141 yards and 1 TD 11/21 DET 5 catches for 52 yard and 1 TD With my modified performance league scoring, Nate didnt even rank in the top 20 each week Moss was out except for one week were he just barely eekeed into the top 10. Different story if you are in a TD only league however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 Dude!?! What games were you watching cuase I only see 1 game were Nate "Tore It Up" 10/24 6 catches for 53 yards 10/31 NYG 6 catches for 43 yards and 1 TD 11/08 @IND 1 catch for 8 yards and 1 TD 11/14 @GB 11 catches for 141 yards and 1 TD 11/21 DET 5 catches for 52 yard and 1 TD With my modified performance league scoring, Nate didnt even rank in the top 20 each week Moss was out except for one week were he just barely eekeed into the top 10. Different story if you are in a TD only league however. 958031[/snapback] Still, standard perf league, that's 5, 10, 6, 20, and 11 pts. Won't kill you as a #2 - I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a top tier WR yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancekyle Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I took Steve Smith as a 2nd WR in my league behind C. Johnson, but I'm worried about his offense. Would Nate Burleson have been a better choice? 957914[/snapback] I am big on nate. He has the ability to fill moss' shoes (kinda). Though I do not think Smith is going to be a slacker either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drafter Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 I too have both in my re-draft league. I managed to snag L. Coles and Rod Smith just in case the dynamic duo start to falter. I think they will put up respectable stats, personally I think that Steve Smith will have the better year. I totally agree with Chavez's assessment: too many weapons for C-Pep to throw to in Minny will diminish Burlesons stats somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted August 30, 2005 Share Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) Here's my take. Although Nate will be the #1 WR in MN, I think CPepp will spread the ball around more so than he ever has. And, assuming MN running game holds up and their D is slightly better than the past I think that they are moving towards a more control game which translates into not enough passes to Nate in order to make him a #1 WR, but a solid #2 WR with upside. CAR D is strong and their running game could be tops. But given the history of injuries with Foster and Davis they have a pretty good chance of becoming a very one dimensional offense in throwing the ball to their best WR who happens to be Steve Smith. Even if their running game is solid throughout the year they dont have any other very good proven WRs to spread the ball around so I think Steve Smith will get the bulk of the catches. Advantage to Smith. He has a longer track record as #1 WR and not as much competition from other pass catchers on his team. Edited August 30, 2005 by Pancake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokoMotion Posted August 31, 2005 Author Share Posted August 31, 2005 thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocNiner52 Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 Well, I hope they both have excellant production seeing as how I have then both in a money league I f I had to choose one though I'm leaning towards Burleson simply because of C-pep and that the Vikings should produce more than Carolina offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zia Posted August 31, 2005 Share Posted August 31, 2005 burleson all the way, and its not even close imho. he is one of the very few "safe" WRs. safe meaning here "will produce every week", and that group is small: harrison, chad J, moss, owens...., finito, oh well and burleson. reason is talent on the other positions, so not possible to key on him fully, plus he is "unproven" to defensive coordinators so the wont have him as SUCH a threat as moss on their list. and later, when they will have him on this list, they will be in flow. travis taylor and troy williamson may be better "rivalling" talent on the vikings, more as SS has in Car, but on the same not that means less doube/triple team, which would be a REAL problem for him to overcome early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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