TecmoBeast Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Fantasy bust in 05, was taken high in all drafts. And who could blame anyone who drafted him... after all he blew up in the second half of 04. In your opinion, what happened to his loss of production? We saw a stud in 04. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Fantasy bust in 05, was taken high in all drafts. And who could blame anyone who drafted him... after all he blew up in the second half of 04. In your opinion, what happened to his loss of production? We saw a stud in 04. 1295239[/snapback] We saw a stud in the latter half of '04, not all of it. The Lions were an offensive shambles in '05 and Jones suffered from that but he exhibited some serious durability issues too. I question his enthusiasm and it's difficult to blame him in that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Well, this is more of a comparison really.....but the same thing happened to William Green a few years back. As a rookie he was basically crap for the first half of the season. He ended the season strong (just like K.Jones did his rookie year) and was taken high in most drafts. Rookie's ending season's strong apparently is still a crap shoot for the following year. I remember some fantasy 'expert' on ESPN (Eric something or other) saying he wouldn't be surprised if Kevin Jones broke the 1800 rushing yark mark. I think he missed that one.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Not sure I could name any othe team that so defied their potential than DET this year. KJ did not suddenly become untalented, the offense as a whole just absolutely fizzled. KJ is a bit prone to injury which is something to consider, but with the right blocking there is no reason why he cannot improve this year. His big games in 2004 came against MIN (2), IND, ARZ, GB and CHI so he at least will continue to face GB and MIN twice every year. He only had 3 games with more than 18 carries in 2005. Kind of hard to hit a groove when he kept getting pulled to share with Pinner and Bryson. KJ only had 186 carries for the year for 664 yards and 5 TD. That's only about 12 carries per game but he only averaged about 3.6 yards per carry. Pinner had 106 carries for 349 yards and 3 scores. more than one carry for every two that Jones had. And Pinner only averaged 3.3 per carry. I never did understand why Pinner was given as much playing time. Bryson had 64 carries too. They just never relied on KJ much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This one is too easy. He plays for the Lions. While I neither like not dislike Detroit, they've been a wreck of a team for a while now. That's just the way it is. But I got caught up in the preseason hype as much as others. All those first round skill players, its hard to pass them by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 He woke up one morning and realized he was in Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 No respect for the Lions passing game perhaps..Harrington is a train wreck. People could really stack up vs KJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Not sure I could name any othe team that so defied their potential than DET this year. KJ did not suddenly become untalented, the offense as a whole just absolutely fizzled. KJ is a bit prone to injury which is something to consider, but with the right blocking there is no reason why he cannot improve this year. His big games in 2004 came against MIN (2), IND, ARZ, GB and CHI so he at least will continue to face GB and MIN twice every year. He only had 3 games with more than 18 carries in 2005. Kind of hard to hit a groove when he kept getting pulled to share with Pinner and Bryson. KJ only had 186 carries for the year for 664 yards and 5 TD. That's only about 12 carries per game but he only averaged about 3.6 yards per carry. Pinner had 106 carries for 349 yards and 3 scores. more than one carry for every two that Jones had. And Pinner only averaged 3.3 per carry. I never did understand why Pinner was given as much playing time. Bryson had 64 carries too. They just never relied on KJ much. 1295247[/snapback] I think DMD covered it pretty well, part of it were injuries but who knows how much, part of it was Mooch and playing the other two RB's, part Herrington and the underperforming passing game, and part offensive line. I've been on record here as saying that I think KJ will have a solid year in 2006. I think 1500 and 12 TD's is very doable for him with the health issue being the main variable factor of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Not sure I could name any other team that so defied their potential than DET this year. 1295247[/snapback] Prior to the season a lot of us around these here parts were touting a pretty good season for Det based on all the potential. Then they started the season and it was all downhill from there. Seemed to me that the team was in disaray right from the git-go. A HUGH disappointment of a team. Could never decide on a QB, RB, and game plan. Think that Jones mirrored that disaray. Not to mention durability starting to be questioned. Was big on him and even drafted him fairly high in some leagues. That'll teach me I guess. New coach.... new attitude.... new beginning? Most of the pieces are there I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Kevin Jones has been the bane of my existence for the past two seasons. Two years ago he almost single handidly beat me in our SB, then I drafted him this year and he did nothing Hopefully a new coaching staff will bring better results to DET, sad to see them struggle so badly. Now if they could just get rid of Millen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 (edited) I just read an article on Mariucci and it mentioned the fact that Mike Martz was being looked at for offensive coordinator at Detroit. Can you imagine Martz's passing offense in DET with the receivers they have? Of course, they would have to get a QB who could get them the ball, but if so, I would think KJ would have an easier time running it. Edit to add: The article was saying that Mooch was planning "a long time off" from coaching. Edited January 30, 2006 by junebugz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This far into this thread and no one has mentioned Detroit's offensive line? I watched Detroit play several times. Their o-line is TERRIBLE. They can't pass block or run block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gdawg Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 This far into this thread and no one has mentioned Detroit's offensive line? I watched Detroit play several times. Their o-line is TERRIBLE. They can't pass block or run block. 1295442[/snapback] Amen! Winning and losing starts in the trenches, and the Lion's O Line was suspect at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainySmurf Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 The Lions Recipe for Disaster: 1. Play Badly 2. Draft skill player in first round 3. Watch skill player bust 4. Repeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcmast Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I just read an article on Mariucci and it mentioned the fact that Mike Martz was being looked at for offensive coordinator at Detroit. Can you imagine Martz's passing offense in DET with the receivers they have? Of course, they would have to get a QB who could get them the ball, but if so, I would think KJ would have an easier time running it. Edit to add: The article was saying that Mooch was planning "a long time off" from coaching. 1295428[/snapback] I'm not buying their WRs. Zero effort out there. Not sure if someone said it here or it was on TV, but they drafted all these stud WRs with no veteran to show them how to be an NFL player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Jesus Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 This far into this thread and no one has mentioned Detroit's offensive line? I watched Detroit play several times. Their o-line is TERRIBLE. They can't pass block or run block. 1295442[/snapback] Bingo. If the Lions don't take Offensive Linemen with every one of their 2006 draft picks then they're bigger idiots than originallly thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 He was my 1st round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I had him on something like 4 of my teams ... that was his death nell ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitztalk Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I had him on something like 4 of my teams ... that was his death nell ... 1297497[/snapback] Burned me in three leagues. In fact...like a moron, I chose to keep him and trade away Rudi Johnson in a keeper league before 2005 started. Drafted him in the 2nd round in one league and he was part of a trade package I had in another. I still own him in the keeper and in a Dynasty league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guggs Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 For the last 3 or 4 years, all I have heard in preseason is "how good the Lions offense will be this season." They never produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Kind of hard to hit a groove when he kept getting pulled to share with Pinner and Bryson. KJ only had 186 carries for the year for 664 yards and 5 TD. That's only about 12 carries per game but he only averaged about 3.6 yards per carry. Good info here. Maybe there are some NFL coaches that should take note a R/B needs to get into a groove and that's not done with 12 carries a game or sharing time by alternating series with different backs. I know you want to keep your back healthy but, I think some rbbc teams a just getting ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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