CaptainHook Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) Can someone explain to me why on God's green earth they felt the Seahawks should immediately kick the FG once they got in range? Who does that? They both acted like it was the normal play in that situation and seemed SHOCKED when they didn't rush the FG team out, and then onsides kick. How in the hell did Madden ever actually WIN a Super Bowl? Morans. Edited February 6, 2006 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Was Madden flashing back to the Pats super bowl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Agreed- horrible. Madden has become a caricature of hinself, and flat out never gives an opinion or says anything remotely interesting or insightful. I like Michaels usually but he seems disinterested or something and I hate his little lobs he throws Madden to set up his genius analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) Was Madden flashing back to the Pats super bowl? 1307662[/snapback] Are you talking about the first one when it was suggested the Pats should just kneel at the end of regulation and take the game to OT? Edited February 6, 2006 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 i thought it was a good point actually. take the sure 3 as soon as you can get it, and then leave yourself some time to do something after the on-side kick. it is a bit more conservative of an approach that puts you in a position to tie the game much sooner vs. going for it all on the drive they had and never having a shot to tie (which is what happened). i'm not saying madden and michaels rock, but this wasn't a horrible point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runner Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not for nothing, but what has Madden done for the game??? Personally, I'd like to see his bus run over his fat hindquarter (and break his leg, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Can someone explain to me why on God's green earth they felt the Seahawks should immediately kick the FG once they got in range? Who does that? They both acted like it was the normal play in that situation and seemed SHOCKED when they didn't rush the FG team out, and then onsides kick. How in the hell did Madden ever actually WIN a Super Bowl? Morans. 1307646[/snapback] I was sitting here saying the same thing. it would of been rediculous to kick a field goal there and then try and get a TD FROM FARTHER AWAY with even less time on the clock.they are knuckleheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Are you talking about the first one when it was suggested the Pats should just kneel at the end of regulation and take the game to OT? 1307667[/snapback] Yes. Madden was vehement that they should play for the OT rather than the win. Pure insanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 i thought it was a good point actually. take the sure 3 as soon as you can get it, and then leave yourself some time to do something after the on-side kick. it is a bit more conservative of an approach that puts you in a position to tie the game much sooner vs. going for it all on the drive they had and never having a shot to tie (which is what happened). i'm not saying madden and michaels rock, but this wasn't a horrible point. 1307668[/snapback] How is that different than using the time NOW to get a TD and 2 pt. conversion? Then you try to get the onsides and kick a FG as time expires instead of having to get the TD and two poin conversion? The only way you kick that FG in that situation is if you have a fourth and long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not for nothing, but what has Madden done for the game??? 1307669[/snapback] look up his coaching record. it's why he was just inducted into the hall of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 How is that different than using the time NOW to get a TD and 2 pt. conversion? Then you try to get the onsides and kick a FG as time expires instead of having to get the TD and two poin conversion? The only way you kick that FG in that situation is if you have a fourth and long. 1307673[/snapback] you are right hook, it could go either way. i like the idea, however, of getting the field goal in the can quickly, and then dealing with the onside kick. if you get the onside kick, you know what you need to do - get it in the end zone to tie. by trying to score first, you are going for it all and if you don't get it, which is what happened, seattle never even gets to try the onside kick. seems to me like you get one step in the bag and get onto the next faster vs. never even having a shot. i'm not incredibly passionate about this point, i just see where madden was coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not for nothing, but what has Madden done for the game??? Personally, I'd like to see his bus run over his fat hindquarter (and break his leg, of course 1307669[/snapback] Best winning percentage as a coach. HOF 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not to mention if they scored there and got the TD but did not get the 2 point conversion they would of had the option to try and get into the endzone to still try and get the victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I've heard of worse strategies down the stretch, such as throw a short pass out to the flats and stay in bounds. Kicking a FG would have maybe left more time on the clock, but I'd rather try for the endzone first since you are closer at that time than after an onside kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not for nothing, but what has Madden done for the game??? Personally, I'd like to see his bus run over his fat hindquarter (and break his leg, of course 1307669[/snapback] Best winning percentage in the history of the game by any coach (with over 100 wins). Not too shabby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not to mention if they scored there and got the TD but did not get the 2 point conversion they would of had the option to try and get into the endzone to still try and get the victory. 1307686[/snapback] Oh yeah, and there is that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 i'm not incredibly passionate about this point, i just see where madden was coming from. 1307683[/snapback] I also could see the point they were making. Kick it now, keep the time on the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runner Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 If Madden was not a NFL commentator, he'd never be in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 If Madden was not a NFL commentator, he'd never be in the HOF. 1307697[/snapback] Total nonsense. As is the HoF itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runner Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Total nonsense. As is the HoF itself. 1307701[/snapback] Sorry. Not a Madden fan, by any stretch. But I agree that the HOF is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rock Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Michaels was awful during the Hasselback fumble that got overturned. We all saw Foote get his hand on the QB as he was falling, but Michaels kept highlighting that his left elbow hit the ground 'meaning he was down'.. completely ignoring that his knee was already down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) I also could see the point they were making. Kick it now, keep the time on the clock. 1307695[/snapback] No. No. No. No. If you kick the FG right away, you MUST recover an onsides kick, get the TD AND a two point conversion. If you go for the TD first, you bring the game within five. You of course attempt a 2 point conversion. IF you get it, you can onsides and go for the FG. If you don't get the two, you can still go for the TD. Their recommendation made no sense. Nobody ever attempts the FG first as long as they have a reasonable down and distance. Edited February 6, 2006 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 No. No. No. No. If you kick the FG right away, you MUST recover an onsides kick, get the TD AND a two point conversion. If you go for the TD first, you bring the game within five. You of course attempt a 2 point conversion. IF you get it, you can onsides and go for the FG. If you don't get the two, you can still go for the TD. Their recommendation made no sense. Nobody ever attempts the FG as long as they have a reasonable down and distance. 1308162[/snapback] I don't see that it makes that much difference. It's all "IFs" - if you miss the FG you're screwed anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 i thought it was a good point actually. take the sure 3 as soon as you can get it, and then leave yourself some time to do something after the on-side kick. it is a bit more conservative of an approach that puts you in a position to tie the game much sooner vs. going for it all on the drive they had and never having a shot to tie (which is what happened). i'm not saying madden and michaels rock, but this wasn't a horrible point. 1307668[/snapback] The problem with that is this: The Steal-ers were not going to give up a 40 yard td at that point of the game. So the Hawks were going to have to drive the ball down the filed to score their td, whether it was first or second. So it would have been stupid to give up the field position they had for a field goal, only to try and drive the field later, if, they recovered the onside kick. They did the right thing by trying for the td first, then if they recovered the onside, they would have only had to go 30 yards or so to get into field goal range; much more doable with no timeouts than scoring the td. Michaels and Madden are too old for this sport and need to be put out to pasture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 yeah, i didn't get that either. kick a field goal on second down when you're down 11? makes no sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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