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The swinging point


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You can argue the Roth td call was a swinging point in the game but that seems like a weak argument at best. The reason why I say this is, because IMO this is the only play where a ref could have ruled on the field either way (TD ... or ... down at 1/4 inch line) and you would not have inconclusive evidence to overrule one way or the other from the replay. There just simply was not enough in being able to see the tip of the ball and where it was in relation to "the plane". IMO it seemed as though the tip of the ball would have crossed the plane although I would not want to be in a striped shirt at that point because an argument for either side seems very, very weak.

 

When you take a look back look at the last series of the first half and the first two of the second half, IMO that is where the game hinged.

 

On the last series of the first half SEA looked lost as they ran the clock down to 13 secs (before PIT calls timeout) and then ran a pass play which was incomplete and then missed a 54 yd field goal. First half ends for all practical purposes with a few seconds left.

 

On the second play from scrimmage SEA's D gets torched for a 75 yd td. Then on SEA's first series they take the ball down and leave 3 more points on the field with a failed 50 yd field goal attempt.

 

It seems to me those three series were the swinging point of the game. Up to the Parker TD the SEA D did not look vulnerable at all, they were very solid with the exception of PIT's last drive in the first half.

 

If SEA would have converted the two FG's they would have then taken the lead after the Stevens TD and would definitely have had momentum going on their side instead of trying to play catch up.

 

I am not down-playing poor calls, but both teams know and I am sure have had to compete in games where it seemed the calls were going the other way. You can't count on the ref's calls to build your momentum. You have to make plays to do that.

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You can argue the Roth td call was a swinging point in the game but that seems like a weak argument at best.  The reason why I say this is, because IMO this is the only play where a ref could have ruled on the field either way (TD ... or ... down at 1/4 inch line) and you would not have inconclusive evidence to overrule one way or the other from the replay.  There just simply was not enough in being able to see the tip of the ball and where it was in relation to "the plane".  IMO it seemed as though the tip of the ball would have crossed the plane although I would not want to be in a striped shirt at that point because an argument for either side seems very, very weak.

 

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The conspiracy is not that the ref had a tough judgment call whether he was in or not. It's not overturning the call or not. It's that he runs in with his left arm in the air signaling down and 4th down and then changes his mind and raises the other arm. If he keeps his original call, PIT maybe challenges and the ref cannot overturn just like he couldn't with the original call. Whatever the call on the field was was going to stand due to inconclusive evidence, but the fact that the ref clearly decided Roth was in AFTER he was already calling down outside of the EZ kept the conspiracy alive.

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The conspiracy is not that the ref had a tough judgment call whether he was in or not.  It's not overturning the call or not.  It's that he runs in with his left arm in the air signaling down and 4th down and then changes his mind and raises the other arm.  If he keeps his original call, PIT maybe challenges and the ref cannot overturn just like he couldn't with the original call.  Whatever the call on the field was was going to stand due to inconclusive evidence, but the fact that the ref clearly decided Roth was in AFTER he was already calling down outside of the EZ kept the conspiracy alive.

 

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Soooo, he forgot he was in on the conspiracy as he was running in, suddenly remembered, and decided to cheat midstride??

 

Yep, we gotta get better refs who can remember their conspiracy for an entire play!!!

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the bottom line is that the ref calls each represented turning points in the game, with all of them turning out bad for seattle. touchdowns called back. passes to the 3 yard line called back. insult to injury by tacking on 15 yards for a legal tackle. pressure on hass resulting from lines jumps that were not called. giving big ben the benefit of the doubt on crossing the plane.

 

there is no way to have a discussion about turning points in the game without discussing these points.

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the bottom line is that the ref calls each represented turning points in the game, with all of them turning out bad for seattle.  touchdowns called back.  passes to the 3 yard line called back.  insult to injury by tacking on 15 yards for a legal tackle.  pressure on hass resulting from lines jumps that were not called.  giving big ben the benefit of the doubt on crossing the plane.

 

there is no way to have a discussion about turning points in the game without discussing these points.

 

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that is why I said you have to make plays to build momentum. everyone knows that bad calls can completely kill momentum, but that is mute if you keep making plays. when you have flubs like letting the clock run down and then missing a field goal only to come back out and let a 75 yd td run happen that kills any momentum more than bad calls, because it wasn't the refs fault those times.

 

maybe i should have prefaced the analysis by saying what was the turning point in the game from the perspective the players could control. you can't control the zebras (unfortunately), but you can control your play. seattle did an excellent job of that in all of the first half except the last drive.

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the bottom line is that the ref calls each represented turning points in the game, with all of them turning out bad for seattle.  touchdowns called back.  passes to the 3 yard line called back.  insult to injury by tacking on 15 yards for a legal tackle.  pressure on hass resulting from lines jumps that were not called.  giving big ben the benefit of the doubt on crossing the plane.

 

there is no way to have a discussion about turning points in the game without discussing these points.

 

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Yes, it is too bad that they aren't being discussed anywhere. :D

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Yes, it is too bad that they aren't being discussed anywhere.  :D

 

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that's because they are most relevant. to start a thread and say it was the field goals missed or the one big run from pittsburgh doesn't make sense. seattle made many big plays ... and they were reversed for poor reasons. in my opinion, the phantom holding call was the turning point of the game. seattle was about to strike and take the lead, and it was all taken away for one of the poorest calls i've ever seen. a team should not be forced to continue to rise up in the face of an onslaught of poor calls.

 

again, this doesn't say seattle would have won, but it would have forced pitt to play a different game ... the game i would have liked to have watched.

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Soooo, he forgot he was in on the conspiracy as he was running in, suddenly remembered, and decided to cheat midstride??

 

Yep, we gotta get better refs who can remember their conspiracy for an entire play!!!

 

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I don't know of too many people that are seriously claiming conspiracy or blaming the officials outright for the loss. But, you seem to keep on insinuating that the a barrage of questionable calls that all went the Steelers way, had no effect on the game. The Steelers GREATLY beneffited from a plethera of BS referree calls that inevitably changed the outcome. This blind homerism being expressed by about 0.5% of football fans here at the huddle is a bit irritating.

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that's because they are most relevant.  to start a thread and say it was the field goals missed or the one big run from pittsburgh doesn't make sense.  seattle made many big plays ... and they were reversed for poor reasons.  in my opinion, the phantom holding call was the turning point of the game.  seattle was about to strike and take the lead, and it was all taken away for one of the poorest calls i've ever seen.  a team should not be forced to continue to rise up in the face of an onslaught of poor calls.

 

again, this doesn't say seattle would have won, but it would have forced pitt to play a different game ... the game i would have liked to have watched.

 

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Fair enough. Good points.

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I don't know of too many people that are seriously claiming conspiracy or blaming the officials outright for the loss.  But, you seem to keep on insinuating that the a barrage of questionable calls that all went the Steelers way, had no effect on the game.  The Steelers GREATLY beneffited from a plethera of BS referree calls that inevitably changed the outcome.  This blind homerism being expressed by about 0.5% of football fans here at the huddle is a bit irritating.

 

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My take is that the Steelers WERE greatly benefitted by some poor officiating. I don't think that is the one reason the Seahwaks lost, but, the game would have definitely been different, and none of us know what would have happened. I truly understand the Seahawks fans frustration, and if it were my time, I would be frustrated to. However, as a Steeler fan, I am not going to let it take away from this feeling. The Steelers entire run to get to this point was so impressive, and I've watied a long time for this, so, though I feel for the Seahawks fans, the officiating was no fault of the Steelers, the Steelers are the world champs, and I am going to enjoy it.

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The Steelers entire run to get to this point was so impressive, and I've watied a long time for this, so, though I feel for the Seahawks fans, the officiating was no fault of the Steelers, the Steelers are the world champs, and I am going to enjoy it.

 

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And you should, as I was trying to say the other night while you were calling me classless. I do not believe what happened had anything to do with the Steelers. The Steelers took what was provided to them and did what they needed to do to win the game. That makes them the world champions and nothing will take that away from them. If the roles were reversed here, I probably would have stayed out of every thread talking about the officiating to avoid tainting my enjoyment of my team’s championship.

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And you should, as I was trying to say the other night while you were calling me classless.  I do not believe what happened had anything to do with the Steelers.  The Steelers took what was provided to them and did what they needed to do to win the game.  That makes them the world champions and nothing will take that away from them.  If the roles were reversed here, I probably would have stayed out of every thread talking about the officiating to avoid tainting my enjoyment of my team’s championship.

 

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That wasn't me posting Sunday Night, it was like, uh, someone else or something :D

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I think the Steeler fans will talk about this Super Bowl for a long time, trying to convince themselves that they deserved to win. Too bad, but in my mind it will always be tainted.

 

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....yes, that is what is going to always bother us. :D

 

Didn't you lose a bet to me or something ? :D

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