THE SIX KINGS Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 The Atlanta Journal Constitution reports Falcons QB Michael Vick admitted he was injured more than he let on last season and that he doesn't agree with the offense that was run by offensive coordinator Gregg Knapp last season. "I thought the West Coast offense was supposed to be a lot of quick, dink-and-dunk passes, and it's not being run that way," Vick said. "I'm not saying it's because of coach Knapp, but he's calling the plays. My perception of the West Coast thing is starting to change, too. We're not doing what I see Seattle doing or San Francisco doing or Green Bay doing. We're not doing those things. I don't know if it's Knapp changing those things around, but as far as I know, it's not the West Coast system as far as the way we run it. ... It may be hurting me. It may be hurting the offense. I'm a little lost right now." Analysis: Head coach Jim Mora responded by saying that the Falcons don't run that kind of offense in the first place. Vick did well last season, but injury concerns and questions about how strong he can be of an offensive statistic contributor make Fantasy owners shy away from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Your avatar. It's....wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) The Atlanta Journal Constitution reports Falcons QB Michael Vick admitted he was injured more than he let on last season and that he doesn't agree with the offense that was run by offensive coordinator Gregg Knapp last season. "I thought the West Coast offense was supposed to be a lot of quick, dink-and-dunk passes, and it's not being run that way," Vick said. "I'm not saying it's because of coach Knapp, but he's calling the plays. My perception of the West Coast thing is starting to change, too. We're not doing what I see Seattle doing or San Francisco doing or Green Bay doing. We're not doing those things. I don't know if it's Knapp changing those things around, but as far as I know, it's not the West Coast system as far as the way we run it. ... It may be hurting me. It may be hurting the offense. I'm a little lost right now." 1320277[/snapback] Yeah b/c if Vick was in the right situation he'd be the best QB to ever play the game and the Falcons would win Super Bowl after Super Bowl. Give me a break. Vick is a joke. Edited February 11, 2006 by fitzkek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolly Rodgers Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 (edited) Mike Vick is the best football player ever to play the game... Edited February 11, 2006 by Jolly Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 avatar was so hard to get by that i forgot what this post was about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 Did he say that he was trying to be a good teammate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 The man is clueless. His in depth analysis of the west coast offence was very enlightening. He should do very well again this season. Definitely a first rd. pick. After all he's the most athletic man in pro football today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 In all seriousness he's right he is being pushed out of running the ball and into passing for no reason. Knapp should be fired. Bring in Vermeil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 he's right he is being pushed out of running the ball and into passing for no reason. 1320399[/snapback] It's not for no reason. He's a QB, not a RB...he's supposed to be able to pass competently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Hater Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 I have a simple solution. Trade Vick for a legit WR and start Shaub. Shaub is the BEST Qb in Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 It's not for no reason. He's a QB, not a RB...he's supposed to be able to pass competently. 1320410[/snapback] Why switch when you were the 2nd best in the NFC last year 11-5 to 8-8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skrappy1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Why switch when you were the 2nd best in the NFC last year 11-5 to 8-8 1320500[/snapback] Because Vick has shown that he can't stay healthy running the ball 10 times a game, and also I think the Falcons realize they will never be a serious Super Bowl contender so long as they can't effectively pass the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 In all seriousness he's right he is being pushed out of running the ball and into passing for no reason. Knapp should be fired. Bring in Vermeil! 1320399[/snapback] Didn't see too many Atlanta games last year, but what I saw they appeared to still be rolling Vick out and moving the pocket for him. With that running game, any QB not named "Kyle Orton" should at least have reasonably good passing #s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 As I said earlier in a thread last month-the honeymoon is over I believe. The Atlanta brass is starting to see through the hype now, and it points to a mediocre NFL QB at best, who they happened to shell out the major$$$ for-before reality struck. Now Vick wants to hide his ineptitude(sp) behind Knapp and the play calling, in essence from my take-"The play calling is making me look bad", wrong Mr.Mexico, you are chitty QB. Plus, what was Vicks status on the IR throughout the season? I thought he was one of the healthy birds? This is going to get interesting if Vick lays another turd next year with Schaub on the bench-very interesting indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) "I thought the West Coast offense......" "My perception of the West Coast......." "as far as I know, it's not the West Coast system......" See these are the big 3 issues right here. Vick thinks...has a perception...and says....as far as he knows. Vick simply isn't smart enough, to be making these kind of observations. "It may be hurting me." "It may be hurting the offense." Hmmmmm.......Not exactly throwing Knapp under the bus here. He's honestly saying it may be hurting him & the offense....not saying it is the definitive problem "I'm a little lost right now." The one and only thing he said, that is actually spot on. *Note* I didn't know that Vick even knew of such a big word as "perception".....let alone it's proper usage. *End Note* Edited February 12, 2006 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Excellent analysis of the situation BS1. My view is that he believed the way they were allowing him to run things was always going to be that way. Unfortunately, he just isn't smart enough to pick any other kind of offense up. No matter how athletically gifted one may be.... in a team sport... it is a team sport. A lot of athletically gifted players never seem to understand that concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Your avatar. It's....wrong. 1320277[/snapback] If you don't eat your meat you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) If Vick and the coach can't agree with what their offense is, than that's clue #1. I heard Vick on ESPN saying that they need to throw the ball downfield and not dink and dunk. Does he have multiple personalities? I know that he goes by different names. Edited February 12, 2006 by MikesVikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) See these are the big 3 issues right here. Vick thinks...has a perception...and says....as far as he knows. Vick simply isn't smart enough, to be making these kind of observations. 1320795[/snapback] I think it's funny that what ATL runs is actually considered (by some) to be similar to a WCO. The major premise of Walsh's WCO is that many running plays are replaced with short passes. The Falcons have been 3rd and 6th, respectively, over the past two years in rushing attempts. Duckett and Dunn combined for 401 carries last year. By definition, Atlanta's offense is not a WCO. Edited February 12, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 The major premise of Walsh's WCO is that many running plays are replaced with short passes. 1320856[/snapback] Have you seen Vick when he's throwing the short pass? Talk about having no touch on a majority of those attempts. Of course, the #1 receiving threat on the Falcons is their TE, Crumpler, the recepient of a vast # of short passes. The Falcons have been 3rd and 6th, respectively, over the past two years in rushing attempts. 1320856[/snapback] Wonder if the Falcons rushing rankings are inflated by the fact they've got a QB who has trouble making plays via the pass and instead runs at the drop of the hat? Vick's rushing attempts: 2004 = 120 2005 = 102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Have you seen Vick when he's throwing the short pass? Talk about having no touch on a majority of those attempts. Of course, the #1 receiving threat on the Falcons is their TE, Crumpler, the recepient of a vast # of short passes. 1320977[/snapback] I'm surprised that Dunn isn't used more in the passing game (29 receptions over each of the past two years... WAY less than he got in TB's non-WCO). Wonder if the Falcons rushing rankings are inflated by the fact they've got a QB who has trouble making plays via the pass and instead runs at the drop of the hat? Vick's rushing attempts: 2004 = 120 2005 = 102 Oh, of course they are. But over the past two years, Falcons RBs have combined for 416 and 388 carries. On the other hand, Philly's offense (a true WCO) has handed the rock off to RBs 301 and 315 over the past two years. The Falcons aren't in a very good situation right now. Their defense is loaded with talent, they run the ball very well, and they're definitely contenders... but they're not going to beat Seattle or any of the other elite NFC teams with Vick behind center. If they were in a rebuilding mode, they could trade Vick for a high draft pick and give the job to Schaub. But at this point, it's difficult to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 (edited) On the other hand, Philly's offense (a true WCO) has handed the rock off to RBs 301 and 315 over the past two years.1320995[/snapback] Just an FYI. The only true WCO, is the one designed by it's architect, Bill Walsh. This might be a bit of an eye opener for you. The 1988 49er's with Walsh as the Head Coach, saw Roger Craig & Tom Rathman combine for more than 410 carries. In 1987 the 49er RB's had 410 combined carries right on the nose. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. In 1986 there were 450 combined carries for the 49er RB's. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. 1985 saw over 420 combined carries by the 49er RB's. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. I don't know exactly what to call the offense that Andy Reid is running in Philly, but it's definitely not a true WCO. Edited February 12, 2006 by Big Score 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Just an FYI. The only true WCO, is the one designed by it's architect, Bill Walsh. This might be a bit of an eye opener for you. The 1988 49er's with Walsh as the Head Coach, saw Roger Craig & Tom Rathman combine for more than 410 carries. In 1987 the 49er RB's had 410 combined carries right on the nose. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. In 1986 there were 450 combined carries for the 49er RB's. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. 1985 saw over 420 combined carries by the 49er RB's. Bill Walsh was the Coach running his WCO. I don't know exactly what to call the offense that Andy Reid is running in Philly, but it's definitely not a true WCO. 1321003[/snapback] You're comparing different eras. The NFL is much more of a passing league now than it was 25 years ago. For a better comparison, the '85 Bears (definitely NOT a WCO) amassed 525 carries by RBs. That's quite a bit more than what Walsh's teams did. Parcells' Giants squads of the '80s were also very run-oriented and 500+ carries/season was common. The WCO differs from the "traditional" run-to-set-up-the-pass mindset by essentially doing the opposite. I don't see the Falcons employing short passes to set up the run. They're definitely a run-first team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Poor Vick,all these people just holding him back....what a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 You're comparing different eras. The NFL is much more of a passing league now than it was 25 years ago.1321034[/snapback] Of course you're absolutely right here.I don't see the Falcons employing short passes to set up the run. They're definitely a run-first team. 1321034[/snapback] I think this is more a condemnation of Vick's skills (or lack thereof) in the passing game, than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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