Randall Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Thanks DMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddled Masses Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Where did these 40 numbers come from? They don't match the numbers I see posted on other sites. For instance, everywhere else has Maurice Drew running a 4.39 forty, Addai 4.40, Norwood 4.40, and Chad Jackson a 4.32 to name a few. Are the Huddle's numbers the players average 40 time??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) What I find interesting, that I never knew was tracked, is the 20 and 10 yd times. I've always thought that if I were a scout, these 2 times mean more than the 40. How often does a player break off a 40 yard run at full speed? It makes more sense, at least to me, that the lower yardage times are more relevant. Edited March 7, 2006 by Brentastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Many services will time players themselves and therefore come up with differing numbers. The most important thing really is how they perform relative to each other. TE Vernon Davis had some VERY eye-popping numbers compared to any other tight end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 What I find interesting, that I never knew was tracked, is the 20 and 10 yd times. I've always thought that if I were a scout, these 2 times mean more than the 40. How often does a player break off a 40 yard run at full speed? It makes more sense, at least to me, that the lower yardage times are more relevant. 1355433[/snapback] At least in theory, the 10 yard dash may be the most critical since it shows quickness but then again, it relies heavily on how well the player times his start. 40 times are probably most revealing for only wideouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 At least in theory, the 10 yard dash may be the most critical since it shows quickness but then again, it relies heavily on how well the player times his start. 1355442[/snapback] I thought the time starts when the player starts, therefore eliminating the timing of his start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) 40 times are probably most revealing for only wideouts. 1355442[/snapback] That's what I was thinking and slightly for RBs and CBs. Edited March 7, 2006 by Brentastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I thought the time starts when the player starts, therefore eliminating the timing of his start. 1355448[/snapback] I watched some of the 40 times and several times they made players do it over because they were either starting early or maybe it was because of the form they were using? I was under the impression that it was timed from a start point, not just when the player ran. Then again, whenever a player committed a starting "foul", they usually told him he was "rolling forward" at the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joseph Addai (RB) and Vernon Davis (TE) swept their position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Joseph Addai (RB) and Vernon Davis (TE) swept their position 1355527[/snapback] Yes but the top 4 RBs (theoretically) did not work out. Vernon Davis seems to be the annual "freakishly athletic" player that worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I thought the time starts when the player starts, therefore eliminating the timing of his start.1355479[/snapback] I watched some of the 40 times and several times they made players do it over because they were either starting early or maybe it was because of the form they were using? I was under the impression that it was timed from a start point, not just when the player ran. Then again, whenever a player committed a starting "foul", they usually told him he was "rolling forward" at the start. 1355479[/snapback] I think you're both right. Essentially, IIRC, the person must come to a complete stop and hold the position for ___ seconds before they start. And the clock starts once they start; there is no gun announcing the start of the sprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Yes but the top 4 RBs (theoretically) did not work out. Vernon Davis seems to be the annual "freakishly athletic" player that worked out. 1355596[/snapback] What's the annual list? 2005-Matt Jones 2004- 2003- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) Julius Peppers, circa 2002 (IIRC) Brian Urlacher, circa 2001 (IIRC) Edited March 7, 2006 by muck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 2005-Matt Jones 2004- 2003- 2002-Julius Peppers 2001-Brian Urlacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 2005-Matt Jones 2004-BJ Sander 2003- 2002-Julius Peppers 2001-Brian Urlacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentastic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) 2006-Vernon Davis 2005-Matt Jones 2004- 2003- 2002-Julius Peppers 2001-Brian Urlacher Edited March 7, 2006 by Brentastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddled Masses Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Many services will time players themselves and therefore come up with differing numbers. The most important thing really is how they perform relative to each other. TE Vernon Davis had some VERY eye-popping numbers compared to any other tight end. 1355435[/snapback] I agree with numbers being relative to other players but I'm still curious. How does the Huddle get their numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 1355672[/snapback] Yeah....someone didn't get the joke. DMD....did Tamba Hali run? I read he didn't. If you have times for him, I would be interested.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 The most eye popping number by far- Jay Pinnegar's 40 time 4.44- are u kidding me? and all I have heard is how the combine is a "slow" track- guy looked pretty solid at QB- and he has a 36' vertical- that is a freak QB. Not sure how it will translate to the NFL- but impressive numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Yeah....someone didn't get the joke.DMD....did Tamba Hali run? I read he didn't. If you have times for him, I would be interested.... 1355690[/snapback] Tamba Hall - PSU DE did not work out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I agree with numbers being relative to other players but I'm still curious. How does the Huddle get their numbers? 1355684[/snapback] As a member of the ProFootball Writers of America (PFWA), we have access to some resources, one of which was NFL Draft Scout and most of the running times were from that report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy n Dirty Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Vernon Davis, at 6'3" and 254 pounds, had the highest vertical leap of anyone that worked out? That is freakish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myhousekey Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) I was under the impression Leinart and VY were taller. Leinart and VY are listed as 6'5" on ESPN. Edited March 7, 2006 by myhousekey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huddled Masses Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 As a member of the ProFootball Writers of America (PFWA), we have access to some resources, one of which was NFL Draft Scout and most of the running times were from that report. 1355718[/snapback] Thanks for the insight. Speaking of draft services, have you ever checked out Frank Coyle's service at DraftInsiders.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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