thecerwin Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Will this hurt or help Santana Moss' value next season? I am thinking it will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Career Ender Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I would actually guess hurt. I think many times we are quick to think a receivers numbers go up when more weapons are added but it always seems the guys that are the only options put up better numbers. Steve Smith put up monster numbers with my grandmother starting at the other WR slot. Galloway was huge with Michael Clayton sucking big time. And of course Santana had a big year with help only from Cooley. I think it will make the passing game more effective but I think Santana's value goes down slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I would actually guess hurt. I think many times we are quick to thinka receivers numbers go up when more weapons are added but it always seems the guys that are the only options put up better numbers. Steve Smith put up monster numbers with my grandmother starting at the other WR slot. Galloway was huge with Michael Clayton sucking big time. And of course Santana had a big year with help only from Cooley. I think it will make the passing game more effective but I think Santana's value goes down slightly. 1366274[/snapback] Agreed. I think a QB focuses more on his one guy and is more likely to throw into double coverage/force balls. That will inflate a WRs numbers in comparison to a similar situation that has a legit #2. That said, Smith is obviously special and unless Carolina did something radical like sign Owens, I'd draft him top 10 without hesitation. I can't say the same for Moss since his career has been up and down. Although Lloyd and Randle El don't inspire me very much, I think Moss comes down anyway. Last year seems more like a career year IMO. I suspect he'll be hard pressed to repeat on 10 40+ yard receptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 this only really helps Portis and Brunell....?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 How in the heck are they talking to Abraham now? Do they have a cap exemption, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 How in the heck are they talking to Abraham now? Do they have a cap exemption, or what? 1366340[/snapback] they will just ask all the players who they signed to ridiculous contracts restructure....thus making the whole contract thing pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Moss had 138 passes and 84 catches last year. All other WAS wideouts had a combined total of 108 passes and 48 catches. I think it is safe to expect Lloyd and Randle El to account for more than 48 catches between them. While there seems to be a lot of room for more passes, WAS has not been a very pass happy team under Gibbs. This may not affect Moss too much but the biggest effect on Moss to me is that most of his yardage and scores all came on long bombs that disappeared mostly in the second half of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop express Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Moss had 138 passes and 84 catches last year. All other WAS wideouts had a combined total of 108 passes and 48 catches. I think it is safe to expect Lloyd and Randle El to account for more than 48 catches between them. While there seems to be a lot of room for more passes, WAS has not been a very pass happy team under Gibbs. This may not affect Moss too much but the biggest effect on Moss to me is that most of his yardage and scores all came on long bombs that disappeared mostly in the second half of the season. 1366371[/snapback] Well stated, DMD. However, I think that this will only help Moss with his deep looks. Instead of having to deep once in every six downs, they can get more consistency from the short passing game and hopefully opening up the field. Probably going to really help Brunell and Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 S. Moss just had the biggest year of his career. Not to say he won't be good, or a solid fantasy WR on your team. He reached his ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 S. Moss just had the biggest year of his career. Not to say he won't be good, or a solid fantasy WR on your team. He reached his ceiling. 1367309[/snapback] "magic year" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrocker Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 How did I go from reading the Skins were going to be forced to cut 1/3 of the team without the CBA, to signing tons of new people? I love em, but seems like this is more than creative accounting. Hey maybe they are being hired as "player coaches" Salary for player, cash for coaching...just a joke, but really....how are they doing it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 "magic year" 1367494[/snapback] Yup. People make comparisons to him and Steve Smith because they're "small", but unless Moss makes that catch at full speed, he doesn't have the force to instill his will. I'm not sure what Washington is thinking. To me, it seems like Gibbs is going to hand over the reins to Campbell, giving him Portis, Cooley, and the three amigos--quite a sleeper pick for QB's next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 How did I go from reading the Skins were going to be forced to cut 1/3 of the team without the CBA, to signing tons of new people? I love em, but seems like this is more than creative accounting. Hey maybe they are being hired as "player coaches" Salary for player, cash for coaching...just a joke, but really....how are they doing it? 1367505[/snapback] You'll find out in a couple years when all those back end loaded contracts start maturing. Then they'll be in cap hell like the Titans the last couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 You'll find out in a couple years when all those back end loaded contracts startmaturing. Then they'll be in cap hell like the Titans the last couple years. 1367783[/snapback] we say that every year and they avoid it... they just restructure contracts to do this... so these contracts are really just phantom money and are luring players in with money they don't even intend on paying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 maybe they hire "ambassador's" like Hugh Douglass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilwoman Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 this only really helps Portis and Brunell....?... 1366313[/snapback] Yep I think Portis will have a great year...he will be in my top 5 RB's this year. I think Al Saunders will have a plan for Portis this coming season. Brunell's health will be the key to this entire O. I worry about that with Brunell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cherni Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I would actually guess hurt. I think many times we are quick to thinka receivers numbers go up when more weapons are added but it always seems the guys that are the only options put up better numbers. Steve Smith put up monster numbers with my grandmother starting at the other WR slot. Galloway was huge with Michael Clayton sucking big time. And of course Santana had a big year with help only from Cooley. I think it will make the passing game more effective but I think Santana's value goes down slightly. 1366274[/snapback] While it might hurt his overall FP scored, I think he'll put up points in a more consistent fashion. In H2H, that's nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhereAreMyRedShoes! Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 S. Moss just had the biggest year of his career. Not to say he won't be good, or a solid fantasy WR on your team. He reached his ceiling. 1367309[/snapback] Gilthorp Gilthorp my man, my homey. I'm sure your a smart man maybe but these remarks are just plan stupid. The reason Moss had the biggest year of his career this past year with the skins is in previous years with the Jets they never used him and if they did it wasn't the way the skins used him. 2 how could you put a ceiling on someone who produced the stats he did while being doubled and even triple covered for most of the season. with the additions of these 2 fine receivers, cooley at tight end and portis in the backfield defenses can't double him anymore. oh yeah al saunders wide open offense doesn't hurt either. Gilthorp step your game up brother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 You say he can do better than 1500 yards and 17.7 yards a catch, I say he can't. I guess that's stupid. OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 The reason Moss had the biggest year of his career this past year with the skins is in previous years with the Jets they never used him and if they did it wasn't the way the skins used him. 2 how could you put a ceiling on someone who produced the stats he did while being doubled and even triple covered for most of the season. with the additions of these 2 fine receivers, cooley at tight end and portis in the backfield defenses can't double him anymore. oh yeah al saunders wide open offense doesn't hurt either. Gilthorp step your game up brother 1369715[/snapback] I pretty much agree with you here, I think Santana Moss is 1 of the most underrated players in all of football. That being said, I don't see him getting the Yards of last year, I expect more TD's though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 we say that every year and they avoid it... they just restructure contracts to do this... so these contracts are really just phantom money and are luring players in with money they don't even intend on paying... 1367794[/snapback] I'd like to know how they're doing this as well. Suppossedly, they were gonna have to cut 20 guys, then the cap goes up 7 mil. Thats still way lower then what they were reported over by, yet I haven't noticed any major cuts yet, nothing to indicate getting within the csp numbers. Are they waiting til the last second where their players have no chance to land jobs elsewhere? I don't know how they keep avoiding salary cap hell, but so far it hasn't seemed to work with Snyders attempts to "buy" the championship year after year. Maybe it's the new players year after year, no chemistry or whatever, but however he does it, it's baffeling as they have yet to be in the Titans situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhereAreMyRedShoes! Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I'd like to know how they're doing this as well. Suppossedly, they were gonna have to cut 20 guys, then the cap goes up 7 mil. Thats still way lower then what they were reported over by, yet I haven't noticed any major cuts yet, nothing to indicate getting within the csp numbers. Are they waiting til the last second where their players have no chance to land jobs elsewhere? I don't know how they keep avoiding salary cap hell, but so far it hasn't seemed to work with Snyders attempts to "buy" the championship year after year. Maybe it's the new players year after year, no chemistry or whatever, but however he does it, it's baffeling as they have yet to be in the Titans situation. 1370186[/snapback] I think the Lions have more than enough problems. So why don't you focus on them. Ok buddy. 18 receivers on the depth chart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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