godtomsatan Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Not that it's surprising that any successful college program cheats, but the chickens may be roosting: The Bush Family home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I saw this breaking news too. Is this Pro Football news as well, or is USC and their record the only thing at stake... since they can force them to retroactively forfeit games. Is Bush in any legal trouble that would affect his NFL eligibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 You knew this was trouble for USC and not Bush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacosud Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Patience is needed till facts are know and I'm not sure there is a violation. I guess it's possible to rent the home or even house sit??? either way I'm sure USC should not be affected either by playing dumb or ignorant. Does USC have a connection to this person or does the program?? Then it's a issue for the Trojans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Pac10 Commish Tom Hansen said if they were paying rent at the 'market rate' then it doesn't matter who owns the house. But if the investigation stops there, assuming they were smart enough to pay rent, I'm thinking more background financing could get done to skirt the rules. Such as a lender, owned by a booster or agent or friend of an agent, could loan them the rent money (with little or no official paperwork) with the knowledge they'll be paid back nicely after the draft. The fact they moved out so quickly gives the appearance of guilt. Apparently they moved in last March - a mere 13 months before their son would be able to legitimately give them whatever they need/want, and then some. Why couldn't they wait? These sharks are smart, preying on a basic human tendency - that is, the inablility to delay gratification. I really doubt that Coach Carroll, AD Garrett or anyone at the school knew the situation, and therefore I think forfeiture of past games or future bowl sanctions should not even be on the table. Policing players while on campus is one thing, but how is the school supposed to be responsible for the actions of a player's family that have no direct bearing on the player? And if Bush himself wasn't aware of the (source of rent) arrangement, how can he be held responsible? He didn't sign with anyone tied to these 2 guys, as far as we know so far. Besides he's already left school, so there can be no future eligibility issues to punish him with anyway. What can the Pac-10/NCAA do, take away a scholarship or 2 from the school? I guess so. We'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Maybe they are all moving to Houston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Maybe now the Heisman will go to its rightful owner. SC shoudlnt have to know what the parents of every player are doing. But then again, the NCAA may expect them to have reign on their players, and Bush Im sure visited that house, so who knows. I wouldnt expect to much to come from this. But I sure hope the NCAA fixes what the Heisman voters Oprahed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacosud Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 I'm a realtor in Ohio and one thing is for sure that house would be no where near that kind of value here!!!! Location ....Location...Location...I bet that house is not even 1500 - 2000 sq ft. and looked like a 1 car garage. 757,000 crap hole. We here at OSU make sure our players family's get at least 2500 but serious you can get a home about 4 x better here for that kind of money. You gotta love supply and demand. Football wise I don't see this getting to far. I'm sure the paper work will show up with all the right dates and signatures. I love how so many people act shocked that this kind of stuff happens...I say wake up it's been going on for years...I bet the same people are shocked at the steroids in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 25, 2006 Share Posted April 25, 2006 After hearing Dan Patrick today, Bush is guilty as hell, and Justice may have been in on this as well. USC should have to forfeit ever game last yr, and the Heisman should go to Vince Young. Interesting days to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted April 25, 2006 Author Share Posted April 25, 2006 After hearing Dan Patrick today, Bush is guilty as hell, and Justice may have been in on this as well. USC should have to forfeit ever game last yr, and the Heisman should go to Vince Young. 1436832[/snapback] Why is that? It's one thing if a school/boosters are doing things to recruit. It's another if it's a "marketing" representative who offers his parents a deal on a house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 (edited) Why is that? It's one thing if a school/boosters are doing things to recruit. It's another if it's a "marketing" representative who offers his parents a deal on a house. 1436844[/snapback] Because Bush becomes ineligilbe, and SC forfeits every game he played. It doesnt matter if SC knew or not, if the player accepts bribes or benefits the team shoud forfeit every game he played, and forfeit the Heisman as well. Its a shame Vince was robbed in the first place, but the NCAA may make it right in the end after all. Edited April 26, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 I have a question about the NCAA rules - are they there to protect vs. shady collegiate recruiting/eligibility issues, and therefore an unfair advantage on the filed? Or are they in place to prevent someone from receiving early 'benefits' from a future professional career? Because this doesn't seem to give USC any benefit in recruiting or on the field; it simply is giving a family an early benefit from their son's future earning power. If so, I think the rules should be re-thought to do the job they were intended to do. Let's assume its discovered that they didn't pay rent up front, but instead the rent was loaned, to be repaid with interest after their son starts getting paid. How is that different than my college loan, which was 'free' until I graduated and got a job? I'm thinking out loud here, so you may be ahead of me on this next one... but could it be argued (from NCAA side) that if this is a 'known benefit' (amongst top HS recruits) from attending USC vs. other schools, cuz USC bends the rules (without their knowledge!) it could therefore be a recruiting/on field advantage. Maybe, but why should it be that way? Then it goes back to my other question - why is this illegal for all schools in the first place? But...in force rules are rules, and if they were knowingly broken, then a punishment must fair across the board. Sad situation for a coach who tries to guard against this stuff with almost religious fervor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 LMAO, you are feeling sorry for Carroll. Thats funny, he isnt feeling sorry for himself or you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 After hearing Dan Patrick today, Bush is guilty as hell, and Justice may have been in on this as well. USC should have to forfeit ever game last yr, and the Heisman should go to Vince Young. Interesting days to come. 1436832[/snapback] Wake TF Up! Reggie Bush was the best player in College Football last year and NOTHING can take that away. I thought your savior, AP, was supposed to be in the running for some hardware by years end? What a disappearing : act he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 (edited) Wake TF Up! Reggie Bush was the best player in College Football last year and NOTHING can take that away. I thought your savior, AP, was supposed to be in the running for some hardware by years end? What a disappearing : act he was. 1439380[/snapback] Yep, he got hurt. But he actually has more than 15 carries a game, as opposed to that west coast cheating fraud Reggie Please help my Mamma get a House Bush. Vince proved in that game who the real Heisman was, while Bush was shut the f*ck down, and looked like the tool he is, trying to lateral and giving the rock back to Texas. That ignorant f*ck is just as responsible for that loss, as any win he contributed to all season, in his soon to come ineligible season. Bush couldnt carry Vince's Jock, and we saw that plain and simple in the NC Game. BTW, I have a lil gem for you in the other thread about your beloved UW Huskies. BWAH HAHA HAHA HAHA BWAH HAHA HAHA HAHA Edited April 27, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Bush was shut down in the NC game? Did I miss something? Averging over 6 yards per carry in a game is getting shut down? By shut down, you mean he didn't light Texas up like he lit other teams up, but look at the stats, he had a solid game, he made the one bone head play on the lateral yes, but shut down he was not. Texas couldn't stop USC, just like USC couldn't stop Vince Young. Texas just made the ONE stop they needed and that was the difference. But make no mistake about it... Reggie Bush was not shut down by Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 Bush was shut down in the NC game? Did I miss something? Averging over 6 yards per carry in a game is getting shut down? By shut down, you mean he didn't light Texas up like he lit other teams up, but look at the stats, he had a solid game, he made the one bone head play on the lateral yes, but shut down he was not. Texas couldn't stop USC, just like USC couldn't stop Vince Young. Texas just made the ONE stop they needed and that was the difference. But make no mistake about it... Reggie Bush was not shut down by Texas. 1439479[/snapback] Forgive me he had 82 rushing yards and fumbled the game away in the first half when SC could have went up by 14, instead they trailed at half 16-10. While Vince had 200 rushing yards and he is the QB, not the running back. Tell me who was the best player on the field. The best player in the country who was robbed the Heisman. Hopefully Bush taking a bribe with an agent will correct the mistake the voters made. Now for this yrs Heisman, AD all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 I didn't say that he was the best player on the field. No one would ever be stupid enough to argue that Vince Young was not the one man show that night. I just said that he wasn't shut down. Don't forget about the 95 yards receiving he had as well and a second half touchdown. Sorry that isn't being shut down. And yeah he made the bone head play that you could argue was the difference between USC winning and losing, but that wasn't anything Texas did, more him trying to do something creative, and instead got burnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 27, 2006 Share Posted April 27, 2006 (edited) I didn't say that he was the best player on the field. No one would ever be stupid enough to argue that Vince Young was not the one man show that night. I just said that he wasn't shut down. Don't forget about the 95 yards receiving he had as well and a second half touchdown. Sorry that isn't being shut down. And yeah he made the bone head play that you could argue was the difference between USC winning and losing, but that wasn't anything Texas did, more him trying to do something creative, and instead got burnt. 1440188[/snapback] That reminds me of the fumble back in 05 vs SC, by Mark bradly of OU. It wasnt something SC did, but OU did to make something happen, and things snowballed from there. Thanks for bringing that up. Edited April 27, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yeah the only difference is the point difference. One team got murdered and embarassed, and one barely lost. One team was a joke, and one was one of the best teams ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Yeah the only difference is the point difference. One team got murdered and embarassed, and one barely lost. One team was a joke, and one was one of the best teams ever. 1441950[/snapback] A Joke, no the joke is Iowa, who couldnt beat its way out of a paper sack. SC was hardly one of the best teams ever. They won one game, convincingly, but because that team turned the ball over repeatedly and they are one of the best teams ever. hardly. texas showed they had no defense, and they could be stopped on offense when push came to shove. One of the best teams ever doesnt lose when they are leading by 12 with 4 minutes left in the game. Sorry, SC won 1 title, and 1 Big game in the last 3 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 We could argue our opinions on what consititutes a big game all year long, so let's not. Instead, let's talk about how many points the Sooners will beat the 'Horns and USC will beat either ND or UCLA by this year. Predictions? USC: 24 UCLA: 17 USC: 31 ND: 27 Don't ask me why yet - just a guess for now. I'll need to nail that down after seeing the first couple games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Maybe now the Heisman will go to its rightful owner. SC shoudlnt have to know what the parents of every player are doing. But then again, the NCAA may expect them to have reign on their players, and Bush Im sure visited that house, so who knows. I wouldnt expect to much to come from this. But I sure hope the NCAA fixes what the Heisman voters Oprahed up. 1434411[/snapback] RBush baby!! Best college player in the last decade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 A Joke, no the joke is Iowa, who couldnt beat its way out of a paper sack. SC was hardly one of the best teams ever. They won one game, convincingly, but because that team turned the ball over repeatedly and they are one of the best teams ever. hardly. texas showed they had no defense, and they could be stopped on offense when push came to shove. One of the best teams ever doesnt lose when they are leading by 12 with 4 minutes left in the game. Sorry, SC won 1 title, and 1 Big game in the last 3 yrs. 1442100[/snapback] You are so Frickin' jealous it's pathetic. SC has won 35 out of the last 36 games . Wake TFU ...... 55-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I didn't say that he was the best player on the field. No one would ever be stupid enough to argue that Vince Young was not the one man show that night. I just said that he wasn't shut down. Don't forget about the 95 yards receiving he had as well and a second half touchdown. Sorry that isn't being shut down. And yeah he made the bone head play that you could argue was the difference between USC winning and losing, but that wasn't anything Texas did, more him trying to do something creative, and instead got burnt. 1440188[/snapback] +1 ..... my sentiments exactly. For anyone to say that Texas dominated or controlled that game simply wasn't watching. Taking nothing away from Texas, SC handed them that game. Poor decisions by Carrol and Bush trying to make something happen (lateral), when he didn't need to, cost them the game. 35-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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