muck Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) I don't get it. Reggie Bush is a dynamic guy and all ... but, all I hear commentators talk about is how he's going to be electric for 12-15 carries / game, plus return punts. That sounds like Warrick Dunn (or similar). How is a player that is to fill that sort of role on a team worth the first pick overall? I just do not get it. If I was going to spend the first pick in the draft on a player, I'd want to get someone that was going to play their position EVERY down that that side of the ball was on the field. I do not want to get a rotational DE...I do not want to get a pass catching FB...and I do not want to get an expensive "change of pace" RB. I mean, does the team that drafts Leinart, Young or Cutler think that they'd get a good deal if their player played quarters 1, 3 and 4? Or maybe played on 1st and 2nd downs, letting some other QB play the 3rd downs? Edited April 28, 2006 by muck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 doesn't it all depend on what they do with DD..... i wouldn't be surprised to see some deal on draft day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think they're going to have him run 15-20 times and line him up in the slot, and throw to him quite a bit as well. He'll have 15 rushing attempts and 4-8 catches a game... He'll get his touches. I agree though, that he shouldnt be the no.1 pick. They're not drafting to eliminate a weakness, they're drafting for one of there more solid positions, which still doesnt make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Remember Marshall Faulk but add in kick returns. He'll run, be in the slot, lined up as WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG SACK Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Agreed. I am not buying it. Plus...200 lbs.? I think he is an injury risk. Great moves but those cutbacks don't work as well in the NFL. He will find that out very soon. Hey I am rooting for him to do well but just can't justify drafting him #1 overall if you are Houston. Take the gamebreaking DE Williams. Their most productive position was at RB. Everything else sucks. Get a D! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I hope the Texans and Saints are as stupid as you morans and let Bush slide to the #3 pick. The Titans could then scoop him up and pick up a QB in round 2... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 If thehuddle had been around when Barry Sanders was drafted, I'm sure that we'd hear similar arguments. Some small backs make it, some don't. I'm not saying that Bush is the second coming of Barry, but he does come in to the league with a great resume' and a boatload of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote Quimby2 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Bush is 5'11' and 200 while at most Dunn is 5'8 and 180. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) If thehuddle had been around when Barry Sanders was drafted, I'm sure that we'd hear similar arguments. Some small backs make it, some don't. I'm not saying that Bush is the second coming of Barry, but he does come in to the league with a great resume' and a boatload of talent. 1441366[/snapback] But Barry Sanders was a quitter and not half the back Emmitt Smith was.... Edited April 28, 2006 by spain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinatown dragons Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I read in one article that IF Bush decided to play WR in the Pro's, he'd still be one of the top picks. Remember, having LenDale White in the backfield with him he doesn't have as much mileage as some of the other college backs.....Yeah, Im sure they'd also say that Emmitt was undersized and too slow.....Ditto with Jerry Rice.... Im just hoping Pats get a decent linebacker and RB out of the draft... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giants56 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Well I heard Ernie Accori on FAN yesterday and he wasn't calling him Warrick Dunn, he was calling him Gale Sayers. That would be worth the top pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 28, 2006 Author Share Posted April 28, 2006 I think they're going to have him run 15-20 times and line him up in the slot, and throw to him quite a bit as well. He'll have 15 rushing attempts and 4-8 catches a game... He'll get his touches. I agree though, that he shouldnt be the no.1 pick. They're not drafting to eliminate a weakness, they're drafting for one of there more solid positions, which still doesnt make sense to me. 1441309[/snapback] Now, I could see it if the team is committed to getting him AT LEAST 20 offensive touches / game. I just haven't heard that talked about ... what I've been hearing is 12-15 rushes and a handful of receptions...sounds like 15-18 touches a game to me. And, 15-18 offensive touches are not enough for a 1.01 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 But Barry Sanders was a quitter and not half the back Emmitt Smith was.... 1441371[/snapback] Agreed with the first part of that statement but Emmitt was drafted by a better team that had a better QB, OLINE, WR's, etc... Your career usually goes better when you have better players around you. The fact that Barry accomplished what he did with that organization is just as impressive as Emmitt accomplishments. I heard Barry was considering a comeback this year with the Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 To answer this question though. I like Reggie Bush quite a bit and think he is worthy of the #1 pick. Warrick Dunn type? Yes but at a higher level. I would say better then Dunn and just below Barry. Could be more valuable then Sanders from a team perspective because of his versatility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I don't get it. Reggie Bush is a dynamic guy and all ... but, all I hear commentators talk about is how he's going to be electric for 12-15 carries / game, plus return punts. That sounds like Warrick Dunn (or similar). How is a player that is to fill that sort of role on a team worth the first pick overall? I just do not get it. If I was going to spend the first pick in the draft on a player, I'd want to get someone that was going to play their position EVERY down that that side of the ball was on the field. I do not want to get a rotational DE...I do not want to get a pass catching FB...and I do not want to get an expensive "change of pace" RB. I mean, does the team that drafts Leinart, Young or Cutler think that they'd get a good deal if their player played quarters 1, 3 and 4? Or maybe played on 1st and 2nd downs, letting some other QB play the 3rd downs? 1441301[/snapback] A first round pick is someone that can Ws on the board...regardless of playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Agreed with the first part of that statement but Emmitt was drafted by a better team that had a better QB, OLINE, WR's, etc... Your career usually goes better when you have better players around you. The fact that Barry accomplished what he did with that organization is just as impressive as Emmitt accomplishments. I heard Barry was considering a comeback this year with the Lions. 1441467[/snapback] You caught a big one Spain! You throwing this one back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Hey Muck, first of all welcome! Secondly, how's that crack you're smoking? Mmmmmmm crack! I'm not sure which analysts you are listening to... but I have heard people say that he may very well be the best RB they have ever seen. That's a far cry from Warrick Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefjay Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 You caught a big one Spain! You throwing this one back? 1441490[/snapback] I know what Spain does, don't worry. A little huddle banter about a stale topic helps Friday go by a little faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) I somewhat agree(not about the player comparison, but about the way he might be used too little), however I feel they are going to have to make him their feature back, maybe not this year, but they will next season. They are more concerned with not taking a guy who could be the "one" than anything IMO. They want the fans to be happy, put butts in the seats. Some could argue that Young would do that as well and he might be the player that turns out in the end that they should have drafted, but that's where the mgmnt has to be torn, they have their franchise QB, and are still not able to give up on him and be able to suck up their mistake. Carr hasn't exactly had the best weapons or a line in front of him to show that he's a true bust or a bad pick. They will take Bush, hope to upgrade the DEF and Oline and hope to return to respectable status this year giving the fans and franchise hope for the future. If our Chiefs were in teh similar situation we'd want Bush as well. Edited April 28, 2006 by Hat Trick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 I have to agree with the guy. You spend the 1.1 on a guy that cant tote the note. But that is what u want. But remember he is on crack back hit from a torn ACL and what he going to do. He is really all speed and cuts. Power is ok. He'll have to learn how to follow those blockers or his career will be short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 But remember he is on crack back hit from a torn ACL and what he going to do. 1441550[/snapback] But what RB isn't though? I agree with you though most of his game is the speed and cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 It's too bad for the Texans that the NYJ brass doesn't have manlove for Reggie. That #4, #29, and #35 adds right up properly on the draft pick chart, with the Jets getting the slight 'edge' in terms of pick value. Then the Texans could take the remaining or Fergusen, Williams, Davis, or Hawk (and for them the best would be Fergusen), or even consider trying to flip 4 and 33 into 6 and 22, which also works on the value chart. I would love to see them have 6 22, 29, and 35. IMHO that's much more valuable than the top pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 (edited) I don't get it. Reggie Bush is a dynamic guy and all ... but, all I hear commentators talk about is how he's going to be electric for 12-15 carries / game, plus return punts. 1441301[/snapback] muck, 12-15 carries might not include a handful of receptions or other touches (ie more than a bigger, more pure runner), so the net gain or worth could still be comparable. Besides what the flip w/listening to what the ultra-tahrd media says? Although I wouldn't draft him if I were HOU anyway. Edited April 28, 2006 by BeeR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Reggie Bush is 5'11" and 200 pounds. Tiki Barber is 5'10" and 200 pounds (dripping wet with $20 worth of quarters in his pocket). Barber has averaged 340 carries for the last two seasons. As of the moment, Bush is considered to be more talented (at least potentially) than Barber. Mix in catching the ball and Bush should be even more valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Reggie Bush is 5'11" and 200 pounds. Tiki Barber is 5'10" and 200 pounds (dripping wet with $20 worth of quarters in his pocket). Barber has averaged 340 carries for the last two seasons. As of the moment, Bush is considered to be more talented (at least potentially) than Barber. Mix in catching the ball and Bush should be even more valuable. 1441685[/snapback] Yeah, but Barber had the benefit of playing with Ron Dayne for all of those years. That saved Barber many miles on his legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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