jaxfactor Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Forgive me if this was already a thread yesterday. I was at a sports bar all day doing what we all do. I think New Orleans did the right thing by keeping Bush. I think they probably tried to trade down but the asking price was too much. What becomes of Deuce McAllister? Do the Saints keep him and work Bush in as a 3rd downer and punt/kick returner to start? Or do they try to pull the trigger on a trade??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Payton said that he intended on keeping both which is realistic since McAllister just signed a 6 year, $50 million contract last season before he blew his knee. No team is going to want that contract with a player recovering from a bad knee injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 He'll be 28 this year and has been injured as of late.I'm not sure what they could get in return.He's also the only proven NFL rb on their roster(Bennett's there now I know) so at this point I don't think they'd be willing to trade him.Only MHO of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Payton said that he intended on keeping both which is realistic since McAllister just signed a 6 year, $50 million contract last season before he blew his knee. No team is going to want that contract with a player recovering from a bad knee injury. 1445131[/snapback]    plus the cap hit the Saints would have to absorb by trading him one year into the deal would be prohibitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 There's question about whether Bush could carry a full load anyway; give him a year to acclimate as PR/KR/WR/#2 (or 1B) RB, at least. Â You can never have too much RB depth anyway, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big F'n Dave Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I read that Payton is leaning toward a two RB set similar to what they ran at USC. Deuce between the tackles and Bush on the outside. Swing Reggie out to the flanker position and get him matched up against a LB or safety. It's gonna open up a ton of options for that offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 I'd imagine that Deuce will either be traded or cut next year. He'll be the higher character version of Ricky Williams this year -- he'll show enough at the end of the season to prove to other teams that he's still a great RB and create a trade market for himself. Â If they leave his contract the way it is, the cap hit for trading (or cutting) him will be prohibitive, but I think the team will find a way to do it. Either DMac will agree to restructure his contract (which would be in his best interest) or the Saints will eat the cap hit. They could get a lot of value for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Bush is just one more great reason to add to my list of why I will never draft Deuce MCAllister again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 The bigger question I think is what about Bennett? For now Deuce and Reggie will stay. Next year may be another story if Deuce is healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted April 30, 2006 Share Posted April 30, 2006 Reggie gets the yards. Deuce pounds it in. The mini bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MERLINS Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I agree, what becomes of M Bennett? I see no use for him now. I think they still have Stecker and Smith as well. Â They probably grabbed Bennett as insurance that they did not get Bush. Now that Bush was handed to them, they may consider dropping or trading Bennett. Â I see Bennett going somewhere and having the right opportunity, but it won't be in NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarryTheRock Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I read that Payton is leaning toward a two RB set similar to what they ran at USC. Deuce between the tackles and Bush on the outside. Swing Reggie out to the flanker position and get him matched up against a LB or safety. It's gonna open up a ton of options for that offense. 1445175[/snapback]    Tiki Barber said the day before the draft that Payton was the one that was behind the Thunder and Lightning (Barber/Dayne)approach in New York the year they went to the Super Bowl. If Dayne worked as part of that combo, imagine Deuce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizards Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Said it yesterday after the Bush on silver platter to the Saints......Bennett's days are numbered in Norleans....would believe Deuce would go if not for contract...as backfield with Bennett and Bush is so enticing......would love to see if that would work...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I read that Payton is leaning toward a two RB set similar to what they ran at USC. Deuce between the tackles and Bush on the outside. Swing Reggie out to the flanker position and get him matched up against a LB or safety. It's gonna open up a ton of options for that offense. 1445175[/snapback]     Yeah, especially if the Saints get to play Pac-10 defenses all year.  If I'm a Saints fan, I have to hope they'll get something for Deuce next year. It just doesn't make football sense to have all that talent (and money) at one position.  Also, I bet Reggie holds out, misses all of camp, struggles to pick up the offense, and has a disappointing rookie season for his fantasy owners. He'll still have a good effect on the games -- just not the fantasy games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Also, I bet Reggie holds out, misses all of camp, struggles to pick up the offense, and has a disappointing rookie season for his fantasy owners. He'll still have a good effect on the games -- just not the fantasy games. Â 1446787[/snapback] Â Â Â yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Payton said that he intended on keeping both which is realistic since McAllister just signed a 6 year, $50 million contract last season before he blew his knee. No team is going to want that contract with a player recovering from a bad knee injury. 1445131[/snapback] That's what I read as well. Deuce will still get the majority of the touches this year barring another injury. Next year, who knows, if Bush doesn't light it up we may be waiting 2 years before we see him get signifigant time. It would probably be beneficial for the Saints if they can move Deuce next year, but honestly I don't know if that would be the most cap-friendly move. If the Saints actually do make some noise with a playoff run I could see Deuce restructuring next year depending on his output. As much as some would like to believe Deuce would find another home as soon as he can I think he likes it here enough to want to stay & split carries with Bush. Considering his age & injury history it might actually benefit him longevity-wise. Â The bigger question I think is what about Bennett? For now Deuce and Reggie will stay. Next year may be another story if Deuce is healthy. 1445274[/snapback] Bennett will likely be gone after this year if not before the season starts. He was obviously brought on as a backup & relief for Deuce since the Saints were not expecting to have Bush available to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajncajn Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Yeah, especially if the Saints get to play Pac-10 defenses all year. Â If I'm a Saints fan, I have to hope they'll get something for Deuce next year. It just doesn't make football sense to have all that talent (and money) at one position. Â Also, I bet Reggie holds out, misses all of camp, struggles to pick up the offense, and has a disappointing rookie season for his fantasy owners. He'll still have a good effect on the games -- just not the fantasy games. Â 1446787[/snapback] Â Â Â I couldn't disagree with you more on all your negative points. You're just mad that the Saints & Texans f'ed up your draft board. Â Also, cap-guru that Loomis is, I think we have a fair chance at getting Bush into camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Bush could have been the 1st overall WR or 1st RB in this draft.... Â he will be an x-factor and a likely steal in PPR leagues as a #3...if used correctly.. Â imagine a spare RB used as an H-back like Cooley is used in washington...that would be ideal...if he did less blocking than Cooley...but to line him up around the backfield, yet close to the line while Deuce is still on the field.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I don't see why the Saints would consider moving McAllister at this point, they got themselves a 3rd WR, a speed RB option, a KR/PR specialist......a whole different type of offensive weapon that can help all over the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big F'n Dave Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 He'll still have a good effect on the games -- just not the fantasy games. 1446787[/snapback]     Cool. I like football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I don't see why the Saints would consider moving McAllister at this point, they got themselves a 3rd WR, a speed RB option, a KR/PR specialist......a whole different type of offensive weapon that can help all over the place. 1446865[/snapback]      That's right. Remember Marshall Faulk coming out of the backfield and lining up as a WR? Add to that a k returner and opposing defenses will lose sleep before games. Talk about versatility.  Fantasy wise he won't get return yards but will get return TD's in some leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 I couldn't disagree with you more on all your negative points. You're just mad that the Saints & Texans f'ed up your draft board. Â Â Also, cap-guru that Loomis is, I think we have a fair chance at getting Bush into camp. Â 1446846[/snapback] Â Â Â Â No, I'm not. I just don't subscribe to the "best-player-available" theory most of the time. Â No matter how you slice it, there's no way you can get all the production out of DMac AND Reggie Bush of which they're both capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 He comes in the league and the Saints to replace Ricky. Now leaves in favor of Bush? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordo Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 ... Also, I bet Reggie holds out, misses all of camp ...  1446787[/snapback]     Gladly take that bet. Like rajn said, Loomis (and Russ Ball) do a fantastic job of getting guys signed. Sure, this is a unique situation, but Benson has already said to get him signed for camp, and the price bar has already been set. What's the wager?   No, I'm not. I just don't subscribe to the "best-player-available" theory most of the time. ...  1447118[/snapback]     When the BPA is Bush, you take him, period.   ... No matter how you slice it, there's no way you can get all the production out of DMac AND Reggie Bush of which they're both capable.  1447118[/snapback]     FF ? No, of course not. Real football ? Simply makes the entire offense better -- opens up things in the passing game, keeps both backs fresher, creates some matchup nightmares for defenses. Me likey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 What's to become of Stallworth? Are the Saints trying to trade him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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