Top 10 Running Backs List (Completed)

[cliaz]

Okay guys I finished the list off tonight. I'm pretty happy with my take on it but I know a lot of people will not agree with my views on it. Just remember that it is a list that is intended for keeper leagues with standard scoring. I may do a Dynasty list this weekend if given the time but I really want to start working on the wide receivers.

 

Anyways I here is the list. Enjoy.

 

 

1. LaDainian Tomlinson, Chargers

 

Tomlinson has proven himself time over to be the best running back in fantasy football. Not only does he have excellent vision, speed and patience to be drafted as the #1 over all fantasy running back he is also very effective in the passing game. Over the last five seasons Tomlinson has an average of 1472.2 rushing yards with a 14.4 touchdowns as well as 478.4 yards receiving average but with only 1.6 touchdowns. The plus side to him in the passing game is in a point-per-reception league where his yearly average is 68.4.

 

Of course with Rivers taking over center for the Chargers most would like to drop Tomlinson down a notch or two but when Brees was throwing in 2002 he only had 17 touchdowns to 16 interceptions and in 2003 when he only started 11 games, he had 11 touchdowns to 15 interceptions, Tomlinson still racked up 3328 yards rushing and 27 rushing touchdowns.

 

Summary – Tomlinson not only is a fantasy stud, in last season he had five games with over 100 yards (9/25 – 192 yards, 10/02 – 134 yards, 10/16 – 140 yards, 11/06 – 107 yards, 11/27 – 184 yards) plus five games with multiple rushing touchdowns including three games of those five games with three rushing touchdowns. Not to mention that he also had four passes on the season for three touchdowns. Add in that he has proven to be able to play hurt (case in point in 2004 with his groin and 2005 rib cage.) and still produce. What places him above Alexander is that Tomlinson still played and produced as a #1 fantasy running back when he didn’t have a good quarter back taking pressure off of him so look for him to continue his success with Rivers in the mix.

 

 

Early Bird Projections – 1650 yards rushing 14-17 touchdowns, 300 yards receiving 2 touchdowns.

 

2. Shaun Alexander, Seahawks

 

Over the past five year Alexander has been the dictionary definition of reliability. When drafting Alexander you know you will see an average (taken from 2001 – 2005) of 1329 yards and 19.6 touchdowns. He has been the corner stone player for many countless owners to build their team around and has taken many of those owners into the playoffs. Nothing seems as if it will change too drastically in the up coming season. Alexander will always see looks in the red zone and will still be the staple to the Seahawks offense. Expect a dip in production after last years very impressive season of 1880 rushing yards and 28 touch downs with Hasselbeck now coming into his own as a quarterback and will take a few touchdowns away from Alexander.

 

Even though Alexander beat out Tomlinson for more games over 100 yards with 11 games (9/18 – 144 yards, 9/24 – 140 yards, 10/09 – 119 yards, 10/16 – 141 yards, 11/06 – 173 yards, 11/13 – 165 yards, 11/20 – 115 yards, 11/27 – 110 yards, 12/11 – 108 yards, 12/18 – 172 yards, 12/24 – 139 yards.) he will be hard pressed to repeat that in 2007 with the loss of Hutchinson.

 

Summary – It can be argued that the #1 select running back over all can be interchangeable between Alexander and Tomlinson (also Larry Johnson). The loss of Left Guard Hutchinson could impact Alexander’s touchdown totals on the year as well as Hasselbeck improved passing (24 touchdowns to 9 interceptions). His ability to stay healthy makes him a very attractive selection over other backs that have not proven they can play a full 16 game schedule. Feel confident on selecting Alexander the Great ahead of Larry Johnson.

 

Early Bird Projection: 1600 rushing yards 13-15 rushing touchdowns, 110 receiving yards and 2 touchdowns.

 

 

3. Larry Johnson, Chiefs

 

And now we move on to Larry Johnson who many place above Tomlinson and Alexander. Johnson had a monster year only starting in nine games he managed to rack up 1351 yards rushing 16 rushing touchdowns and totaled for the year an impressive 1750 yards rushing and 20 touchdowns. Many will select him as the 1st over all back in the upcoming drafts this summer (not that there is anything wrong with that.) but a few minor issue with him should be made known:

 

-He has never played a full 16 game season as a starter in the NFL therefore he is not proven yet to remain healthy.

-Tony Richardson will not be there to pave the way for Johnson

-New head coach

-The specter of Priest Holmes possibly returning in a limit roll may hurt his numbers

-Al Saunders (OC) gone

 

Though none of the above issues may be cause for concern it is still important enough to mention and weigh those options when it comes to taking the 1st over all back. But with Kansas City ability to produce a very impressive ground game over the past five years there is little doubt in many people’s minds as to where to select Larry Johnson.

 

Summary – Many owners are licking their chops in anticipation to see how many touchdowns Larry will produce for them. Projecting what he did last year over the course of a full 16 game schedule Larry would have had a mind boggling 2,416 yards and 27.2 touchdowns. It will be interesting to see if Larry Johnson can officially knock Tomlinson and Alexander out of the number 1 spot but as history has shown us, expect the Chiefs to ride the LJ train all season long.

 

Early Bird Projections – 1500 yards rushing 14-16 touchdowns, 350 yards receiving 3 touchdowns.

 

 

4. Clinton Portis, Redskins

 

With a year under his belt in Washington and a slow start to the 2005 season, Portis came into his own and put together a rather impressive season. With 1516 rushing yards in the regular season on 352 carries and 11 touchdowns and a respectable 30 receptions for 210 yards and 0 touchdowns it appears as if Clinton is once again ready to be a top 5 back. A lot of people are reluctant to draft Clinton this high with the memory of him not scoring until week 6 of last year or his very unimpressive performance on 10/30 against the Giants with a nine total rushing yards on 4 attempts.

 

Chew on this; Portis put together nine games of 100+ yards which is 4 more than Tomlinson and 2 less than Alexander. In the month of December when the push for the fantasy playoffs are heating up (in some cases league playoffs start in week 14 in the middle of December.) he had 461 rushing yards and 4 rushing touchdowns, that is a 115.25 yard average and 1 touchdown per game. A pretty reliable back to have entering the playoffs wouldn’t you think?

 

There is concern about the amount of touches he see in game and the Redskins should be mindful of the heavy work load but with the additional of Lloyd and Randle El to go along with Moss, Brunell (and when the time comes, Campbell.) should be able to keep defenses honest and open up some running lanes for Portis.

 

Summary – Portis has always had over 1500 yards except for his first year with the skins when he only compiled 1315 yards. Gibbs has a history of every 3rd year taking the Redskins to the Super Bowl so look for the Washington Redskins use Portis heavy to keep pressure off of Brunell.

 

Early Bird Projections – 1550 yards rushing 12 – 14 touchdowns, 250 yard receiving 1 touchdown.

 

5. Edgerrin James, Cardinals

 

In 2005 many people believed that Peyton Manning would be tossing touchdowns left and right taking away from Edgerrin James’ total. But Edge ripped up the fantasy scene compiling 1506 yards rushing with a career high 14 rushing touchdowns on 360 carriers in the regular season. He also had 337 yard receiving in the regular season with 1 touchdown. Now no longer with the Colts, Edge looks to continue that momentum with the Cardinals under head coach Dennis Green. With offensive weapons all around him to force defenses to respect the passing game, it is possible that Edge will be able to at least mirror those total. The only cause for concern here lies with the offensive line.

 

The person who may benefit a lot from Edge coming to the Cardinals would be Kurt Warner. With Edge back there to help with blocking on shotgun formations it may buy the time that Warner needs to be more productive in the passing game forcing defenses to focus in on that and leave room for Edge to rip off long runs. Last season both Marcel Shipp and J.J. Arrington has a combined 60 receptions for 394 yards and 2 touch downs so look for Edge to see close to if not more of that in the up coming season as the Cardinals make use of his hands and implement more use of the screen.

 

Summary – Edge has the talent, drive and motivation to breathe fantasy life into the Cardinals running game. With two very skilled wide receivers in Fitzgerald and Boldin to pull away pressure from the line Edge maybe just what the Cardinals need to become a new fantasy hot bed of talent.

Early Bird Projections – 1450 yards rushing 11 – 13 touchdowns, 345 yards receiving 2 touchdowns.

 

 

6. Carnell Williams, Buccaneers

 

During September of the 2005 season the month belong to Carnell Williams. Right out of the gate he had three back-to-back games of over 100 yards (9/11 - 148, 9/18 – 128 and 9/25 – 158.) with two touchdowns. In fact in week 1 of the fantasy season (in a standard scoring league.) he beat out the likes of Corey Dillon, Tiki Barber, Deuce McAllister, Brian Westbrook, Clinton Portis, Julius Jones, Priest Holmes and Tomlinson for fantasy points to come in as the 3rd most productive back. Also he was the 4th over all productive back in week 2 and the 6th over all in week 3. Not bad for a rookie running back.

 

Most people during their draft let Caddy slip into the 3rd and in some cases even the 4th round before picking him up which will not be the case in the 2006 – 2007 season. Caddy is a strong back with great vision for the hole and his speed is very impressive plus Jon “Chucky” Gruden’s offense is very running back friendly (Charlie Gardner). It showed us that during Caddy’s rookie year where he finished the regular season with 1178 rushing yards and 6 rushing touchdowns.

 

That may not sound like impressive status for the 6th over all back but remember that he did not play on 10/09 and 10/16 because of his foot injury that he did not fully disclose to the trainers and was limited because of this rookie mistake in 10/02 – 13 yards, 10/30 – 20 yards, 11/06 – 29 yards and 11/13 – 20 yards. If you were to take his healthy totals and apply that to a full 16 game schedule he would have came out with 1884.8 rushing yards. Not too bad. The only down side that Caddy has is a lack of being involved in the passing game.

 

Summary – Though it is hard to put a running back this high up whom already has a history of being injured, it was his rookie season. Caddy has the strength and the vision to become a top 10 back and should perform at a high level this season. Last year he had a total of 290 carries in the regular season and that is after missing two games and being limited in 4 more games. Expect a strong sophomore campaign from the back from Auburn Tiger.

 

Early Bird Projection – 1300 rushing yards 10 – 13 touchdowns, 150 yards receiving 0 - 1 touchdown.

7. Rudi Johnson, Bengals

 

Though Rudi only had 4 games of over 100 yards (9/11 – 126 yards, 11/27 – 114 yards, 21/11 – 169 yards and 12/18 – 117 yards.) he is still a top 10 back and a good key stone player to build a team around. Tagged with the “Poor Man’s Alexander” name because of his steady production, Rudi has proven that when you draft him two things are certain:

 

-you will get an average of 91.125 yards per game

-he will get hot in November and December where he scores on average 1.42 tds per game. During those 7 weeks in 2005 when the push to the playoffs was hot he scored 10 times.

 

Many owners were frustrated over the Chris Perry syndrome where he stole touchdowns and carries away from Rudi but that has only cut into his production slightly. The fact is once Perry got hurt and Marvin was forced to use Rudi more to pound the ball they were a better offense for it (arguably). One thing that puts Rudi off for some owners is his lack in the passing game (where Perry shined.). Last season he had 25 receptions for 104 yards and he has never had more than 146 yard receiving on a year. Because of this in points-per-reception leagues Rudi may slip lower in the rankings but should not fall below #10 over all.

 

Summary – With Carson Palmer slowing regaining his health expect the first part of the season to be a slow one with Rudi while defenses stack the box. Don’t fret because if history has shown us, Rudi will be there for your team during the 2nd half of the year with several multiple touchdown games and high yardage.

 

Early Bird Projection – 1425 yards rushing 10 – 13 touch downs, 120 yards receiving 0 -1 touchdown.

 

8. Ronnie Brown, Dolphins

 

Ronnie Brown presents an interesting dilemma for rankings on this list. He finished the season with only 207 carries for 907 rushing yards and 4 touchdowns plus 232 receiving yards and 1 touchdown. He also seemed to have a little case of fumbleitise on the season coughing up the ball 4 times which combined with his low yardage is not very promising for a running back that is listed in the top ten. But check this out: With Ricky the Inhaler being suspended for the entire 2006 – 2007 season Ronnie appears to be ready for a break out year in the NFL. Though normally we try not to put too much stock in hype, (case in point Kevin Jones.) Brown could very well be the complete back needed in Miami.

 

The Dolphins will look to feed him the ball at least 300 times and with a new quarter back in the line up the Fish will have to use their running game this season if they want to make it into the playoffs as the NFC East Champs. Figure in that Ronnie has the hands and speed to catch 35 to 50 passes on the year and we may be looking at a soon to be top 5 running back. A minor cause for concern would be that Ronnie had issues with his knee and ankle during the 2005 campaign and his production dropped off during the month of December (12/4 – 22 yards, 12/11 – 30 yards, 12/18 – 45 yards and 12/24 did not play.) which is scary situation for a fantasy owner trying to make it into the playoffs. Also he never had more than 23 carries in a game and only once broke 100 yards. Those issues can be written off as nothing more than 1st year injury (which is typical to rookie running backs and running backs that sit their 1st season.) and the presence of Ricky the Inhaler.

 

Summary – out of all the back s to take a minor gamble on in drafting in the top ten Ronnie Brown would be the safest bet. The Dolphins look to pound the ball this year giving the back from Auburn his chance to shine. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Harrington and Chambers benefiting from 6 ft tall back’s presence on the field.

 

Early Bird Projections – 1300 rushing yards 10 – 12 touchdowns, 300 yards receiving 2 – 3 touchdowns.

 

 

9. LaMont Jordan, Raiders

 

In a point-per-reception league Jordan would and should be listed higher. In 2005 he pulled in an outstanding 70 receptions which is 53 more catches than his previous high of 17 receptions in 2002 and used those 70 receptions for respectable 563 yards and two touchdowns. On the rushing front the bruiser managed to grind out 1025 yards and 9 touchdowns on the season. Mind you that he did miss the final two games of the season which hurt his average rushing yards giving him a so-so 73.21 yards per game but if projected over the course of a 16 game season he would have pulled in a slightly better 1171.63 yards. Also take note that he had 6 games with less than 60 yards rushing and between 11/06 and 12/18 he only scored 2 touchdowns.

 

Still it was his first year as the primary ball carrier and for it is worth he did a fine job compiling a grand total of 1588 all purpose yards and 11 touchdowns. Expect Jordan to grown into his role this upcoming season as he has a year under his belt at the Raiders. With the addition of Aaron Brooks to Randy Moss there is a chance that the Raiders “may” have a decent passing attack that would force more coverage on the wide outs. If the air attack flutters during the season still expect Jordan to at least produce as he did last season.

 

Summary – Not too much can be said right now of Jordan to increase his stands on the list unless you are on a points-per-reception league. With his combined total still above 1500 yards he deserves being in the top 10. At 28 years old there are still three good years left and expect him to grow and produce more in Oakland and with any luck Aaron Brooks might revive his career and keep the defenses honest.

 

Early Bird Projection – 1200 rushing yards 8 – 10 touchdowns, 450 yards receiving 3 touchdowns.

 

10. Tiki Barber, Giants

 

Many people will question the reason as to why Barber who recorded a staggering 2390 combined yards of offense and 11 total touchdowns is so low on the list. Why he had seven games of over 100 yards, three of which were over 200 yards and one that was over 150 yards and still sits this low. It is not that he hasn’t proven to be very productive and solid #1 running back for a fantasy team. It is simply his age. At 31 years old the ghost of reduced production and season ending injury hangs heavy in the air over running backs. Many begin to see this as early as 29 years old and few remain a stud over age 30. The only reason that he is listed below players like Rudi Johnson, LaMont Jordan, Carnel Williams and Ronnie Brown is simply his age.

 

Tiki has shown the NFL world that he is a stud running back by pulling in a whopping total of 4486 all purpose yards over the past 2 years. And that fumbling problem he has in the past is just that, in the past. Tiki Barber can take your team into the playoffs and can help you win your championship game on your league but be wary of his age. Many people like to point out that Curtis Martin at age 31 lead the league in rushing in 2004. As wonderful as that was for him it is still a fluke. Age means everything in the NFL and to running backs who regularly take a pounding time and again, it means everything.

 

Summary – Tiki Barber may still crank out another beautiful 2000+ all purpose yards season and lead your team deep into the playoffs but he shouldn’t be drafted as a long term solution to your team. Rest assured that the 2006 – 2007 season will most likely be his finest with Eli Manning playing better and the defense possibly giving the offense a short field to work with. Feel comfortable drafting Tiki in the top10 but do not over stretch and reach for him as a top 5 back.

 

Early Bird Projections – 1650 yards rushing 7 – 10 touchdowns, 450 yards receiving 2 touchdowns.

[Puddy]

Haven't analyzed them all yet, but I think I'd be very close to your list. Definitely agree with the top 5 in the order you have them. Of course, something could change in the next few months.

[bushwacked]

Awesome write up Cliaz....Am i the only one that would be hesitant to pick up Edge so early when there are so many safer choices out there?

[Sgt. Ryan]

nicely done. I disagree with a few of them where you put them, but the analysis is solid.

[DMD]

Sidenote to your bumping Jordan from 2 recieving TDs to 3 this year. I am not sure how far back it goes, but I know that Aaron Brooks has not thrown a touchdown pass to a running back during the last three seasons. Not that it could not happen in OAK, but he'll have to work that in. Also to consider is that Jordan had nine more catches than any other RB last year in a different offense after not having been a big time recieving back before. In the new Shell/Walsh offense, there is no guarantee that the backs will be so involved in the passing game nor as successful if a healthy Randy Moss steps up for more than 60 catches this year. I think most of those 70 catches last year for Jordan were when the slowed down Moss was covered and Collins opted to dump it off.

 

Shell did use Harvey Williams for 3 scores in his final season as a HC (1994) but who knows how that translates 12 years later. I don't much like risk in my top ten personally and a new offense and new QB is that. Harvey Williams also had 47 catches for 391 yards as the best of any RB under Shell in the past. Most years the RBs remained around 200 yards insted of the 563 that Jordan had.

 

Outstanding work though. I am not sure any of my Top 10 is going to be exactly the same position as yours but most of the names will be there. I guess you really do more than reign as the big kahuna surfer for quirky websites.

[cliaz]

Sidenote to your bumping Jordan from 2 recieving TDs to 3 this year. I am not sure how far back it goes, but I know that Aaron Brooks has not thrown a touchdown pass to a running back during the last three seasons. Not that it could not happen in OAK, but he'll have to work that in. Also to consider is that Jordan had nine more catches than any other RB last year in a different offense after not having been a big time recieving back before. In the new Shell/Walsh offense, there is no guarantee that the backs will be so involved in the passing game nor as successful if a healthy Randy Moss steps up for more than 60 catches this year. good point here

 

Shell did use Harvey Williams for 3 scores in his final season as a HC (1994) but who knows how that translates 12 years later. I don't much like risk in my top ten personally and a new offense and new QB is that.

 

Outstanding work though. I am not sure any of my Top 10 is going to be exactly the same position as yours but most of the names will be there. I guess you really do more than reign as the big kahuna surfer for quirky websites. 

 

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thanks dude!

 

EDIT:

 

You know the more I think of your point on him the more I want to bump him to #11 and possibly put steven jackson there instead.

Edited May 15, 2006 by cliaz

[Goopster24]

cliaz, thanks for the great analysis. I'm really liking it right now; then again, it is May....Great job either way man.

[Big Score 1]

That was a lot of effort on your part, which resulted in a great piece of work.

Thanks for doing that cliaz.

[Crazysight]

Nice job, though though based on his performance from last year Tiki definitely deserves to be as high as LT Alexander and Johnson if not for his age. I don't think 31 is old for a player of his style and ability either. Remember we're talking about a guy who was never taken very seriously due to his size in the first place. If his size didn't stop him I don't think the number 31 is going to affect him much. Though his age is definitely a consideration in a keeper league.

[Randall]

thanks dude!

 

EDIT:

 

You know the more I think of your point on him the more I want to bump him to #11 and possibly put steven jackson there instead.

 

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I would. If he can stay healthy I think he will be featured more in Linnehan's offense. Nice job.

Edited May 15, 2006 by Randall

[FWmaker]

Good job overall. Looks like you put some thought into it.

 

One point seemed amusing in your write-up for Lamont Jordan...

 

"Mind you that he did miss the final two games of the season which hurt his average rushing yards giving him a so-so 73.21 yards per game but if projected over the course of a 16 game season he would have pulled in a slightly better 1171.63 yards."

 

Seems like his AVERAGE rushing yards would not be effected.

[nogohawk]

Good stuff - always looking ahead to the first draft! I like where you placed Cadillac since I have him in a one keeper Dynasty league.

[Clubfoothead]

nicely done.  I disagree with a few of them where you put them, but the analysis is solid.

 

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I second that. Good job. I printed it out.

[Whiskey Pimp]

Just remember that it is a list that is intended for keeper leagues with standard scoring. 

 

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Nice job, though though based on his performance from last year Tiki definitely deserves to be as high as LT Alexander and Johnson if not for his age.  I don't think 31 is old for a player of his style and ability either.  Remember we're talking about a guy who was never taken very seriously due to his size in the first place.  If his size didn't stop him I don't think the number 31 is going to affect him much.  Though his age is definitely a consideration in a keeper league.

 

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Note the bold.

[Avernus]

Sidenote to your bumping Jordan from 2 recieving TDs to 3 this year. I am not sure how far back it goes, but I know that Aaron Brooks has not thrown a touchdown pass to a running back during the last three seasons. Not that it could not happen in OAK, but he'll have to work that in. Also to consider is that Jordan had nine more catches than any other RB last year in a different offense after not having been a big time recieving back before. In the new Shell/Walsh offense, there is no guarantee that the backs will be so involved in the passing game nor as successful if a healthy Randy Moss steps up for more than 60 catches this year. I think most of those 70 catches last year for Jordan were when the slowed down Moss was covered and Collins opted to dump it off.

 

Shell did use Harvey Williams for 3 scores in his final season as a HC (1994) but who knows how that translates 12 years later. I don't much like risk in my top ten personally and a new offense and new QB is that. Harvey Williams also had 47 catches for 391 yards as the best of any RB under Shell in the past. Most years the RBs remained around 200 yards insted of the 563 that Jordan had.

 

Outstanding work though. I am not sure any of my Top 10 is going to be exactly the same position as yours but most of the names will be there. I guess you really do more than reign as the big kahuna surfer for quirky websites. 

 

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completely agree here...this is my theory for bringing him down...one full year after having him in my top 10...

 

switch him with Chester Taylor and that's about right...both of these guys have a spot in the top 10...

[cliaz]

Note the bold.

 

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Yeah that is why I listed him so low.

[BigTen]

Nice job. Wether I agree or disagree you get a the effort.

[cliaz]

Good job overall. Looks like you put some thought into it.

 

One point seemed amusing in your write-up for Lamont Jordan...

 

"Mind you that he did miss the final two games of the season which hurt his average rushing yards giving him a so-so 73.21 yards per game but if projected over the course of a 16 game season he would have pulled in a slightly better 1171.63 yards."

 

Seems like his AVERAGE rushing yards would not be effected.

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yeah, I meant total rushing yards on the season. my bad.

[T_bone65]

Nice job Big Red Dog....looks great

[dfv87]

Great job, while I do not concur exactly with your order, 90% of the names remain the same. (Jackson over Jordan) but at that point I probably am comparing small details. I really concur with your top 3, I know LJ is the "Pick" but I also would like to see him tote the rock 16 games with every defense lining up to take him out, then he can be the #1. Until then I will let LT and SA stay up there. Great Job.

[cliaz]

Now that I think about it, I had read that the Ram's Head coach wants to give Jackson 20 carries a game. In a standard scoring league without PPR I really can put him as #9 over all. I am going to leave jordan where he is for now. I expect Jordan to receive in the area of 23 - 26 carries a game at a min.

 

So once mini-camps wrap up and training camp starts I'll update my list but for now, I feel a tad bit more comfortable with Jordan staying where he is for now.

[Skippy]

Cliaz - good work. I didn't read the whole thing, I am way sick right now, but I will for sure. I do see what i can only assume is one big oversight in that Cedric Benson is no where in your top ten. How can that be?

[cliaz]

Cliaz - good work. I didn't read the whole thing, I am way sick right now, but I will for sure.  I do see what i can only assume is one big oversight in that Cedric Benson is no where in your top ten.  How can that be?

 

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It's not an oversight.

 

For me when it comes to the top 10 picks (which are RBs.) I cannot justify taking a back that is not proven at all to be able to take on a full 16 game season.

 

Reasons:

Benson started 1 game

On the season had a total of 67 carries for 272 yards (whic is just a hair over 4 ypc.)

1 reception for 3 yards

No Tds.

 

I'm sure he can will be a very good back in the NFL but for right now, he isn't proven at all.

 

Just MHO on the matter though.

[Skippy]

I'm sorry cliaz, that was a little joke on my end. I only say Benson as he is on one of my dynasty teams and I want to see him get his shot. No one would have him in thier top ten and that is why I put it out there like that.

[DMD]

(note to self - drop Benson back out of the top ten)