Texas Longhorn fans

[MojoMan]

Yeah, I know that Vince Young's Wonderlic was super low.

 

However, I was just reading an article about the 2006 draft and how the players are looking early in spring workouts. The article implied that Young may be too dumb to pick up a pro offense. It said that UT had to greatly simplify the playbood AND that Dave Thomas (a TE drafted in the 3rd round by NE) was actually making the calls for Young in the 2005 UT season.

 

Is that true? Can Thomas have yelled or signalled to Young that it was a Cover-2 or Man or Blitz from his TE position?

[Perchoutofwater]

I watched almost all of their games, and if it is true, I could not tell that he was doing that. I also doubt that he is in the game in every formation. I think this is just some sour grapes from someone that thought Lienart should have gone ahead of him.

 

From everything I'm hearing, they think Vince will be ready to start by mid-season in TEN. At least that is what the guys Sirus NFL radio have been saying.

[MojoMan]

Thanks Perch,

 

Seemed kinda far fetched to me but here's the quote and link if you're interested.

 

"Young's dominance at the college level is beyond question, but there are serious concerns about his ability to adjust to the pro game. Not only did Young play in a highly simplified scheme, but tape suggests that he wasn't even making the line calls — tight end Dave Thomas was. Now he is being asked to absorb a sophisticated offense. "

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5666100

[wildcat2334]

I watched almost all of their games, and if it is true, I could not tell that he was doing that. I also doubt that he is in the game in every formation. I think this is just some sour grapes from someone that thought Lienart should have gone ahead of him.

 

From everything I'm hearing, they think Vince will be ready to start by mid-season in TEN. At least that is what the guys Sirus NFL radio have been saying.

 

 

 

If so, complete disaster for VY & the Titans. VY shouldn't even sniff the field for 2-3 years, getting thrown into the fire too quickly could seriously set him back. I see him as maybe being a solid starter, but it is gonna be a while- 3-5 years. I have a hard time even believing the way he delivers the football will even succeed in the NFL-

[rbmcdonald]

Yeah, I know that Vince Young's Wonderlic was super low.

 

However, I was just reading an article about the 2006 draft and how the players are looking early in spring workouts. The article implied that Young may be too dumb to pick up a pro offense. It said that UT had to greatly simplify the playbood AND that Dave Thomas (a TE drafted in the 3rd round by NE) was actually making the calls for Young in the 2005 UT season.

 

Is that true? Can Thomas have yelled or signalled to Young that it was a Cover-2 or Man or Blitz from his TE position?

 

 

When Vince declared for the draft he held a press conference. While it was at the University, the University took a very clear hands off approach. Brown was not in town, and there was no visible presence by UT officials. Based on the timing, one would assume that the University had no part in preparing his announcement or preparing him for questions. Additionally, his “team” has proven to be pretty amateurish.

 

Listening to him speak and answer question, it would be very hard for me to imagine there is anyway his intellect is nearly as low as some have implied. Maybe some type of learning disability, but I do not buy that there is anything wrong with his raw intellect.

 

In addition, while it is true that the Texas offense requires decisions to be made before the ball is snapped, it also requires a great deal of decision making after the ball is snapped. You can not tell me that there is not a great deal going on in VY mind while the play is unfolding, and it is going on very rapidly.

[polksalet]

How do you get a TU grad off of your porch?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pay him for the pizza.

[rbmcdonald]

How do you get a TU grad off of your porch?

Pay him for the pizza.

 

 

World’s Top Universities, according to the Times of London

 

1. Harvard University

2. University of California, Berkeley

3. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

4. California Institute of Technology

5. Oxford University

6. Cambridge University

7. Stanford University

8. Yale University

9. Princeton University

10. ETH Zurich

11. London School of Economics

12. Tokyo University

13. University of Chicago

14. Imperial College London

15. University of Texas at Austin

16. …….

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,591-1343946,00.html

[Coffeeman]

The great state of CA has 3 of the top 7 - really?? Sweet, I'm surrounded by braniacs and hot chicks at the same time...

[polksalet]

World’s Top Universities, according to the Times of London

 

1. Harvard University

2. University of California, Berkeley

3. Massachusetts Institute of Technology

4. California Institute of Technology

5. Oxford University

6. Cambridge University

7. Stanford University

8. Yale University

9. Princeton University

10. ETH Zurich

11. London School of Economics

12. Tokyo University

13. University of Chicago

14. Imperial College London

15. University of Texas at Austin

16. …….

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,591-1343946,00.html

 

 

 

Yes or no question

 

Can you look someone in the eye and tell them that TU provides a better education than Rice?

[Pope Flick]

Yes or no question

 

Can you look someone in the eye and tell them that TU provides a better education than Rice?

 

 

 

Sure - I'll put the faculty teacher for teacher up against Rice's in every shared degree course and I'd be willing to be that UT comes out on top more often than not. They're the 2nd richest school in the country and use that money to bring in the best profs. Rice doesn't have as deep pockets for sure.

 

Rice is much smaller so a greater % of their grads probably go further along in their careers than the booze soaked greek set that is prevelant at UT, but that's on the UT grads and not the college itself, which is top notch.

 

In fact, in my degree they were #2 in the nation at the time and are still top 5.

[Droobie42]

we have an accountant on our hands....or business school grad?

[polksalet]

"Rice is much smaller so a greater % of their grads probably go further along in their careers than the booze soaked greek set that is prevelant at UT, but that's on the UT grads and not the college itself, which is top notch."

 

So any idiot being able to graduate does not reflect on the quality of the institution?

 

WHAT???

[Gonkis]

from Institute of Higher Education, Shanghai Jiao Tong University (just as trusted as some limey newspaper) has UT a bit lower than 15, or 40 to be exact.

 

Top 500 World Universities (1-100)

World Rank Institution Country Total Score Score on Alumni Score on Award Score on HiCi Score on N&S Score on SCI Score on Size

1 Harvard Univ USA 100.0 98.6 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 60.6

2 Stanford Univ USA 77.2 41.2 72.2 96.1 75.2 72.3 68.1

3 Univ Cambridge UK 76.2 100.0 93.4 56.6 58.5 70.2 73.2

4 Univ California - Berkeley USA 74.2 70.0 76.0 74.1 75.6 72.7 45.1

5 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT) USA 72.4 74.1 78.9 73.6 69.1 64.6 47.5

6 California Inst Tech USA 69.0 59.3 66.5 64.8 66.7 53.2 100.0

7 Princeton Univ USA 63.6 61.0 76.8 65.4 52.1 46.8 67.3

8 Univ Oxford UK 61.4 64.4 59.1 53.1 55.3 65.2 59.0

9 Columbia Univ USA 61.2 77.8 58.8 57.3 51.6 68.3 37.0

10 Univ Chicago USA 60.5 72.2 81.9 55.3 46.6 54.1 32.7

11 Yale Univ USA 58.6 52.2 44.5 63.6 58.1 63.6 50.4

12 Cornell Univ USA 55.5 46.6 52.4 60.5 47.2 66.2 33.6

13 Univ California - San Diego USA 53.8 17.8 34.7 63.6 59.4 67.2 47.9

14 Tokyo Univ Japan 51.9 36.1 14.4 44.5 55.0 91.9 49.8

15 Univ Pennsylvania USA 51.8 35.6 35.1 61.2 44.6 72.6 34.0

16 Univ California - Los Angeles USA 51.6 27.4 32.8 60.5 48.1 79.9 24.8

17 Univ California - San Francisco USA 50.8 0.0 37.6 59.3 59.5 62.9 48.8

18 Univ Wisconsin - Madison USA 50.0 43.1 36.3 55.3 48.0 69.2 19.0

19 Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor USA 49.3 39.8 19.3 64.8 45.7 76.7 20.1

20 Univ Washington - Seattle USA 49.1 22.7 30.2 57.3 49.6 78.8 16.2

21 Kyoto Univ Japan 48.3 39.8 34.1 40.0 37.2 77.1 46.4

22 Johns Hopkins Univ USA 47.5 48.7 28.3 43.7 52.6 71.7 14.2

23 Imperial Coll London UK 46.4 20.9 38.1 46.2 39.4 65.8 44.5

24 Univ Toronto Canada 44.6 28.1 19.7 39.1 41.2 78.4 42.8

25 Univ Coll London UK 44.3 30.8 32.9 41.0 41.0 61.1 42.6

25 Univ Illinois - Urbana Champaign USA 43.3 41.7 37.4 46.2 36.0 58.2 17.8

27 Swiss Fed Inst Tech - Zurich Switzerland 43.2 40.3 37.0 39.1 43.2 47.1 41.5

28 Washington Univ - St. Louis USA 43.1 25.1 26.6 41.9 46.8 56.2 44.9

29 Rockefeller Univ USA 40.2 22.7 59.8 31.5 43.6 27.1 38.6

30 Northwestern Univ USA 39.5 21.8 19.3 47.9 35.8 57.2 37.0

31 Duke Univ USA 38.9 20.9 0.0 48.6 46.8 62.7 36.2

32 New York Univ USA 38.7 33.9 25.0 43.7 39.3 50.9 19.1

33 Univ Minnesota - Twin Cities USA 38.3 36.1 0.0 53.9 35.9 69.6 12.8

34 Univ Colorado - Boulder USA 37.8 16.6 29.8 43.7 38.3 47.5 27.4

35 Univ California - Santa Barbara USA 37.0 0.0 28.5 45.4 41.4 44.0 36.2

36 Univ British Columbia Canada 36.3 20.9 19.3 36.0 31.6 59.5 34.9

36 Univ Texas Southwestern Med Center USA 36.3 16.6 33.9 33.8 40.5 40.0 34.9

38 Vanderbilt Univ USA 35.1 12.6 30.2 37.1 23.8 50.2 41.7

39 Univ Utrecht Netherlands 34.9 30.8 21.4 31.5 29.9 58.1 22.1

40 Univ Texas - Austin USA 34.8 21.8 17.1 50.2 28.8 53.7 12.8

 

65 Case Western Reserve Univ - My Alma Mater!!

 

75 Rice (sorry polk)

 

 

Link

 

 

Students earn their education. A superstar could come from a community college, but UT is no 15.

[Pope Flick]

"Rice is much smaller so a greater % of their grads probably go further along in their careers than the booze soaked greek set that is prevelant at UT, but that's on the UT grads and not the college itself, which is top notch."

 

So any idiot being able to graduate does not reflect on the quality of the institution?

 

WHAT???

 

 

 

So says the Aggie.

 

I'll break it down for you: once you pay your tuition, UT doesn't care if you attend a single class. Much like real life it is up to you to make it or break it. Because UT is a public school, they take a LOT of people who prolly shouldn't go there but they do anyways.

 

None of that has to do with the quality of education available - which is the question you asked. The professor's there are top notch. If you don't make the most of it that's on you.

[polksalet]

Sorry dude but that's just a crazy argument. I could make a case that a kid could get a degree from U. of Phoenix and learn everything about their field which is available on the internet and proclaim it better than MIT.

[Pope Flick]

Sorry dude but that's just a crazy argument. I could make a case that a kid could get a degree from U. of Phoenix and learn everything about their field which is available on the internet and proclaim it better than MIT.

 

 

 

So you don't like the answer: UT gets the best faculty in their respective fields. That's the answer to your initial question as to the quality of education available at UT vs Rice. NOT what grads do with it after they're finished.

 

You can conjecture all you want, but I don't see 'online degree' on those lists.

 

UT has top notch faculty. That's a fact. They provide a top notch education. That's a fact. You want to hang on things I said that aren't actually part of the answer to your question. That's a fact.

 

Ignoring facts says much about the quality of education you received at eATMe. That's a fact!

[polksalet]

I transcended the available education at my school. I think if a person does not do that they have failed in their quest.

 

I really do not know how to rate a school. I would love to see their criteria.

[Pope Flick]

I transcended the available education at my school. I think if a person does not do that they have failed in their quest.

 

I really do not know how to rate a school. I would love to see their criteria.

 

 

 

Something we agree on. I also don't think that simply because UT doesn't fail kids out as much as Rice does (and that's just a guess) doesn't mean they have poorer quality education because they're more lenient.

[Coffeeman]

So what does this debate have to do with football again?

[Meat Face]

They're the 2nd richest school in the country ...

 

 

this is untrue. They're #4 and that's only because it's a bunch of UT's slapped together. Still good though.

 

Also, Rice may have 4 times less money than UT, but keep in mind it has 37 times less students. And, yes, Rice is a better school. Neither is as good as Stanford though. Sorry.

Edited July 1, 2006 by Meat Face

[Sgt. Ryan]

Sooner Nation

[Perchoutofwater]

The best school is the school of hard knocks. I learned more in my first 6 weeks on the job than I did the entire time I was in college. About the only thing that college teeches is discipline, which can be learned in the military and other places. That is the reason I really don't put a high value on where someone I hire went to school. I'd hire a guy straight out of the Army Corps of Engineers faster than I would a guy from A&M, Georgia Tech, or even UT.

[GWPFFL BrianW]

couldnt agree more perch. You go to college to network, and if you learn a few things along the way great, but he majority of people go there to ultimately meet people. The real world isn't as analytical as school is.

[polksalet]

The best school is the school of hard knocks. I learned more in my first 6 weeks on the job than I did the entire time I was in college. About the only thing that college teeches is discipline, which can be learned in the military and other places. That is the reason I really don't put a high value on where someone I hire went to school. I'd hire a guy straight out of the Army Corps of Engineers faster than I would a guy from A&M, Georgia Tech, or even UT.

 

 

You would hire a federal employee?

 

[rbmcdonald]

Yes or no question

 

Can you look someone in the eye and tell them that TU provides a better education than Rice?

 

 

Well if you need a lawyer, a doctor or someone to work on your nuclear reactor, you would have better luck with someone whose only educaton was from the University of Texas, as opposed to someone whose only education was from Rice.