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made my pick Tiki

he is old for a dynasty but he has more yards from scrimmage than any player in the NFL over the last two seasons.

 

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Way to piss away any future value your first-drafted player could possibly have had.

 

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:D

 

Way to piss away any future value your first-drafted player could possibly have had.

 

:D

 

Tiki is a great pick at 1.08. The Giants' O looks to be putting up huge yardage, and Barber is going to get a lion's share of it. His handcuff will come very cheaply, also.

 

Don't listen to guys who place youth ahead of production in dynasty drafts. Play for the first season and maybe a little beyond. Anticipated production should always govern your picks, with age being one of the deciding factors if you have 2 guys projected to produce similar FF numbers.

 

Even if your team isn't great the first year, you'll be able to deal Barber to a contender for a great draft pick or two as the playoffs approach and have an opportunity to make your team significantly better the following year with additional high rookie picks.

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Tiki is a great pick at 1.08. The Giants' O looks to be putting up huge yardage, and Barber is going to get a lion's share of it. His handcuff will come very cheaply, also.

 

Don't listen to guys who place youth ahead of production in dynasty drafts. Play for the first season and maybe a little beyond. Anticipated production should always govern your picks, with age being one of the deciding factors if you have 2 guys projected to produce similar FF numbers.

 

Even if your team isn't great the first year, you'll be able to deal Barber to a contender for a great draft pick or two as the playoffs approach and have an opportunity to make your team significantly better the following year with additional high rookie picks.

Read: go ahead and concede your first year. :D

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Read: go ahead and concede your first year. :D

 

You're saying Tiki is going to perform well below RB 8 this coming season? Because if you are, I'd like to understand your logic. Please enlighten me. If you think he'll finish RB 8 or above, no one is conceding anything the first year.

 

In short, I can't make any sense out of your comment.

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You're saying Tiki is going to perform well below RB 8 this coming season? Because if you are, I'd like to understand your logic. Please enlighten me. If you think he'll finish RB 8 or above, no one is conceding anything the first year.

 

In short, I can't make any sense out of your comment.

Read your own comment:

 

Even if your team isn't great the first year, you'll be able to deal Barber to a contender for a great draft pick or two as the playoffs approach and have an opportunity to make your team significantly better the following year with additional high rookie picks.

I seriously doubt any "contender" is going to give up anything of real substance for Barber as the playoffs approach. In short, not in the leagues I'm in.

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I agree that people tend to get caught up in drafting young players in a dynasty league. I tend to look at a two year span, not just one year. I wouldn't have gone Tiki there because over 2 years I doubt his numbers will equal other players that could've been had there. Edge sure seems like a better choice there.

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I agree that people tend to get caught up in drafting young players in a dynasty league. I tend to look at a two year span, not just one year. I wouldn't have gone Tiki there because over 2 years I doubt his numbers will equal other players that could've been had there. Edge sure seems like a better choice there.

 

The 2-year plan is a good strategy with a startup dynasty league. You definitely want a full season paired up with a full "off" season to evaluate what you have drafted.

 

Barber very well could have 2 solid seasons in him. But, as you noted, someone like Edge probably has a better chance at similar - if not better - numbers over a 2 year span... AND past that.

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I seriously doubt any "contender" is going to give up anything of real substance for Barber as the playoffs approach. In short, not in the leagues I'm in.

 

 

Well, Barber has drawn some very strong interest in the past year in the dynasty league that I'm in. He was bundled with a 3rd rounder & traded for a first rounder for the team that eventually won the championship last year - allowing the trading team an additional 1st rounder to rebuild with, and then after the season Barber & Dayne were traded by the 2005 champ for S Jackson - with both teams involved in the trade being serious 2006 champion contenders.

 

I also find it interesting that 1) you completely ignored the first part of my initial post and focused exclusively on the second part, which you took chose to take completely out of context, and 2) that you didn't answer my question regarding your assessment of Barber's projected 2006 output.

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I personally don't like Edge there because I see his production being jeopardized by A ) AZ's terrible O line, B ) Green's desire to throw the football, and C ) a really piss poor D not allowing enough 2nd half carries because they're either going to be in track meets or playing catchup all season long.

 

I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel in regard to AZ's D, either. Denny left the MIN D in a complete mess when he left, and AZ looks to be in even worse shape than that. They're a long ways away from being even mediocre for a NFL D. AZ's O-line is going to take some committment to repair also, but with the cap maney that's going to go to skill players there in the near future, I wonder how much they can do to help themselves in the next couple of years.

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Well, Barber has drawn some very strong interest in the past year in the dynasty league that I'm in. He was bundled with a 3rd rounder & traded for a first rounder for the team that eventually won the championship last year - allowing the trading team an additional 1st rounder to rebuild with, and then after the season Barber & Dayne were traded by the 2005 champ for S Jackson - with both teams involved in the trade being serious 2006 champion contenders.

 

I also find it interesting that 1) you completely ignored the first part of my initial post and focused exclusively on the second part, which you took chose to take completely out of context, and 2) that you didn't answer my question regarding your assessment of Barber's projected 2006 output.

 

:D blah blah blah, I don't care about the league you're in.

 

But OK, I'll play your little game: sure, Tiki will probably finish in or near the top 5 in terms of RB production in 2006. But that doesn't warrant taking him at the 8th spot in a dynasty league, ability to trade him or not.

 

Tiki is no better than the 10th best RB in a startup dynasty league. In fact, I'm seeing him ranked anywhere from 10 to 17 in dynasty formats.

 

Did I answer all your questions this time?

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But OK, I'll play your little game: sure, Tiki will probably finish in or near the top 5 in terms of RB production in 2006. But that doesn't warrant taking him at the 8th spot in a dynasty league, ability to trade him or not.

 

Tiki is no better than the 10th best RB in a startup dynasty league. In fact, I'm seeing him ranked anywhere from 10 to 17 in dynasty formats.

 

Did I answer all your questions this time?

 

 

Not sure what you are referring to as a "little game". I guess I consider production as a much more important factor in drafting FF players than you do. You must consider long term potential as a primary factor.

 

That's fine, and that's your philosophy. It doesn't make my philosophy wrong, and I'll gladly draft some of the vets as you let them drop well past what their projected production warrants.

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Not sure what you are referring to as a "little game". I guess I consider production as a much more important factor in drafting FF players than you do. You must consider long term potential as a primary factor.

Little game = calling me out for choosing to only reply to one part of your response. I didn't know that this was a test where I had to respond to each of your statements.

 

I consider production. I consider it over an amount of time longer than one season, seeing that this isn't a redraft league we're talking about. You said that if this guy's team isn't performing well, he could simply "trade him to a contender". What owner would mortgage his future by trading for a back that is on the downside of his career? I certainly wouldn't make that error, and I highly doubt any savvy owner would either.

That's fine, and that's your philosophy. It doesn't make my philosophy wrong, and I'll gladly draft some of the vets as you let them drop well past what their projected production warrants.

 

It doesn't make mine wrong, either. Go ahead and draft "vets" in dynasty leagues 7 spots higher than they should. :D Makes no difference to me.

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I have to agree with darin3. Barber is very close to retiring, at least that is what all signs point to. I could not imagine someone wanting to trade for him at the end of the season for next year when next year as a whole is a huge question mark for Barber.

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