BigTen Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Just heard an interview with Tom Lewand, President and CEO of the Lions. Tom stated that Rogers has benefited greatly by the addition of Marinelli and that he has shown a lot of improvement so far in the offseason. He stated that they do not want Rogers contact money, they want him. They are excited to get him into the pre-season to get him going. They stated he still has things to work on but he has been showing the abiility and willingness to work on what he needs to do to get better. Mike Williams is a different story. Tom said that he has a ton of ability but the gap between that ability and his willingness is huge. He said that they are trying to instill a work ethic into Williams because like I said the attitude and work ethic is still not there. Tom said that they have brought in a lot of WR's in the off-season to increase competition. They are hoping that this lights a fire under Williams rear to get it moving (I do not think it will as his attitude still sucks and he has missed meetings already this year). Tom also stated that they are instilling in players that nothing is given to you no matter what you make ($$$$). Either you put up or sit on the bench. And unlike the previous regimes, the coaching staff does not care when you where drafted, if you do not go out and earn your job you are in jeopardy. Take it for what it is worth but I get the feeling that they are staring to see somethig with Rogers and are becoming extremely disappointed/frustrated with Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Very good info here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Mike Williams makes Mike Tice and crew look like geniuses for taking Troy Williamson. And as you may know, that's not easy to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Charles Rogers has always looked good. Until he breaks his collar bone again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tega Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Yes - that was strange... usually a collarbone heals quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiver44 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 (edited) That Mike Williams pick was one of the worst draft selections in recent history. Taking him (who looks like a Bust at this point) as your third WR, over Derrick Johnson, Shawne Merriman. For Fantasy Football, Charles Rogers still has incredible potential, especially in Martz's offensive system. Edited July 3, 2006 by Shiver44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 (edited) Pretty interesting to hear Williams doesn't have a great work ethic. I remember seeing footage / interviews of him working out with Cris Carter and it seemed at the time he was pushing himself. I guess once he got his contract that was that. Or maybe he's just fallen into a deep depression since being drafted by the Lions and trapped in Detroit? Edited July 4, 2006 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Pretty interesting to hear Williams doesn't have a great work ethic. I remember seeing footage / interviews of him working out with Cris Carter and it seemed at the time he was pushing himself. I guess once he got his contract that was that. Or maybe he's just fallen into a deep depression since being drafted by the Lions and trapped in Detroit? Is that why he had his helmet on when I saw him at the restaurant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 This really eats me up considering I drafted him early based on potential via dynasty draft.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Charles Rogers is a good enough player to succeed. However, those collarbone injuries are ridiculous. He's one more year, and broken collerbone, from being done. Sad. Same injury cost the Hawks their pro-bowl special teams specialist Alex Bannister, they simply couldn't afford to take another chance that it wouldn't break again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I won't draft either one of them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfin2000 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I won't draft either one of them again. Neither will I. I'm a firm believer that the true stars in the game rise above their situations. When it comes to WRs, you hear a lot of excuses for guys like Rogers, Williams, and Andre Johnson not performing up to expectations. Inconsistent QB play, shaky offensive lines, the lack of a real running game, and the absence of a legitimate No. 2 WR didn't stop Boldin and Fitzgerald from becomming stars in Arizona. (Boldin didn't have a complementary WR in his rookie season, and neither did Fitzgerald since Boldin missed several games that season and wasn't 100% for several more.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Neither will I. I'm a firm believer that the true stars in the game rise above their situations. When it comes to WRs, you hear a lot of excuses for guys like Rogers, Williams, and Andre Johnson not performing up to expectations. Inconsistent QB play, shaky offensive lines, the lack of a real running game, and the absence of a legitimate No. 2 WR didn't stop Boldin and Fitzgerald from becomming stars in Arizona. (Boldin didn't have a complementary WR in his rookie season, and neither did Fitzgerald since Boldin missed several games that season and wasn't 100% for several more.) While it may just be the homer in me coming out, I dont think you can put Johnson in the same breathe as Rogers or Williams. Sure he hasn't put up out of this world numbers yet, but he is averaging 69 receptions, 935 yards and 4 tds over the past 3 seasons. Comparing that to Williams and Rogers average 21 receptions, 263 yards and 1.6 TDs COMBINED overthe same period and I think AJ is nowhere near being compared to the other 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfin2000 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 While it may just be the homer in me coming out, I dont think you can put Johnson in the same breathe as Rogers or Williams. Sure he hasn't put up out of this world numbers yet, but he is averaging 69 receptions, 935 yards and 4 tds over the past 3 seasons. Comparing that to Williams and Rogers average 21 receptions, 263 yards and 1.6 TDs COMBINED overthe same period and I think AJ is nowhere near being compared to the other 2. You have a point there. Andre Johnson is a legimate NFL calibre WR that will in all liklihood be a starter most of his career. I just don't think he'll ever be the stud WR that everyone has made him out to be. On the other hand, Rogers and Williams haven't even proven that they can be starters in the NFL. I threw Andre Johnson into the mix because he's another guy that keeps getting drafted much earlier than he should be based more on his potential than actual results, but you're right. Comparing him to Rogers and Williams really isn't fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 You have a point there. Andre Johnson is a legimate NFL calibre WR that will in all liklihood be a starter most of his career. I just don't think he'll ever be the stud WR that everyone has made him out to be. On the other hand, Rogers and Williams haven't even proven that they can be starters in the NFL. I threw Andre Johnson into the mix because he's another guy that keeps getting drafted much earlier than he should be based more on his potential than actual results, but you're right. Comparing him to Rogers and Williams really isn't fair. Andre(rookie year) put up 976 4 TD's 2004 1141 6 TD's. Last year everyone had a bad year. Boldin is an exception. Few WR's do well their first year. You can rise above the team only so far as a WR. He I believe is a stud in a year or 2. He is drafted too high, but that isn't his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomfin2000 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Andre(rookie year) put up 976 4 TD's 2004 1141 6 TD's. Last year everyone had a bad year. Boldin is an exception. Few WR's do well their first year. You can rise above the team only so far as a WR. He I believe is a stud in a year or 2. He is drafted too high, but that isn't his fault. I can understand why people feel like you almost have to throw the 2005 season out when you're looking at Johnson's stats, but it's his 2004 game log that really scared me away from drafting him in '05. His '04 stats were heavily padded by that 170 yard 2 TD performance in the OT game agains the Vikings that season. During most of his other games that season, and especially down the stretch, he gave his owners bumpkus. He was on of the big reasons why I missed the playoffs in one of my leagues in '04. By the time I finally benched him, it was too late. I suppose you could say the same thing about Boldin's first game in the '03 season when he had over 200 yards and 3 TDs against Detriot, but he's been much more consistent than Johnson since then. I just took over a team in a keeper league and I have to decide between Johnson and Mason before our deadline last week. Just about everyone I talk to says I should keep Johnson, but I just can't get comfortable with the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 That Mike Williams pick was one of the worst draft selections in recent history. Funny how people weren't nearly so vocal about that at the time. Wms fell farther than expected and was considered a good value pick at the time. Yeah they had the two high WR picks already but neither could stay healthy. I'm not exactly his biggest fan, but Millen bashing has long since gotten old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Rogers collarbone will be fine now that there is a steel-plate inserted behind it. It should have been done the first time. The fact that it wasn't done right the first time is what really caused the second break to occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 What about the other Williams, Roy? What's the word on him so far in camp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTen Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 What about the other Williams, Roy? What's the word on him so far in camp? Don't know how he has looked but he stated that he is pumped up for the season and that he cannot wait for camp to start. I will post anything that I hear as I hear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffbud Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Just heard an interview with Tom Lewand, President and CEO of the Lions. Tom stated that Rogers has benefited greatly by the addition of Marinelli and that he has shown a lot of improvement so far in the offseason. He stated that they do not want Rogers contact money, they want him. They are excited to get him into the pre-season to get him going. They stated he still has things to work on but he has been showing the abiility and willingness to work on what he needs to do to get better. Mike Williams is a different story. Tom said that he has a ton of ability but the gap between that ability and his willingness is huge. He said that they are trying to instill a work ethic into Williams because like I said the attitude and work ethic is still not there. Tom said that they have brought in a lot of WR's in the off-season to increase competition. They are hoping that this lights a fire under Williams rear to get it moving (I do not think it will as his attitude still sucks and he has missed meetings already this year). Tom also stated that they are instilling in players that nothing is given to you no matter what you make ($$$$). Either you put up or sit on the bench. And unlike the previous regimes, the coaching staff does not care when you where drafted, if you do not go out and earn your job you are in jeopardy. Take it for what it is worth but I get the feeling that they are staring to see somethig with Rogers and are becoming extremely disappointed/frustrated with Williams. As one who was burned by Rogers in his rookie year with the collerbone, the only Lions reciever you should consider for fantasy football is Roy williams, and I;m not so sure how great his numbers will be with Kitna as the starting QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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