jaxfactor Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 I have been in my original TD only league since 1991. We have a unique scoring system: 0-9 yards= 6 points 10-39 yards= 9 points 40+ yards = 12 points RBs get double points for TD catches QBs, WRs get double points for rushing TDs IDPs with all TDs = 12 points I sp. teams with all TDs = 12 points I have been the commish for the last 3 years and the guys want to keep me as permanent commish. I have been trying to prod them into a playoff system as we have never had one. Just a straight 17 week schedule. 3 brothers in this league always seem to do what they want as to tweaks in our system and they will hear none of my playoff talk. Here's the problem: They are talking of instead of playing head to head, playing all 11 other teams every week. So the person with the highest score will go 11-0 for that particular week. Their philosophy is that too many guys are scoring 70+ points and losing where a guy who scores 20-30 points wins. SO WHAT? The system they are talking about takes away the weekly matchups and therefore takes away from some of the managerial aspect of FF. I don't like it and told them such. We are going to bring it to a vote before the draft and majority rules. Well, the 3 brothers already have 3 votes for the new system. I don't wish to play in a league like that. I'd rather stick to what has been a very successful league with our own unique scoring system and head to head matchups. I may have to tell the guys that I'll be quitting the league after 15 seasons. I hate the word quit, but the system they want is lame IMO. What do you folks think? I'm bummed out right now. I have other leagues I belong to but this is my favorite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted July 4, 2006 Author Share Posted July 4, 2006 All is not lost yet. Just found out 2 other owners feel as I do. We have a draw so far. Problem is the 3 brothers will try to influence the 6 undecided. Maybe I should use some of my own but I'm the commish and I've never used the commish powers for my own benefit. Idea.. Talk to one of the guys who's with me and see if he can get in touch with the others before the official vote. This is getting interesting but I'm not goin' down without a fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 This kind of stinks for you. As commish, I don't think you should feel bad for voicing your opinion. Why change after 15 years? Sounds like your with a bunch of guys, so even if the rules get changed, I don't think I'd quit. You'll just have to put more into some of your other leagues. Sure it won't be as fun, but at least you'd still be playing with your buddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardrocker Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Hey Jax, Not to be bold, but I think this is a perfect opportunity for you to voice the benefits of a playoff system to the 3 brothers. My local has the head to head matchup and awards a bye for the two division winners. Then ALL OTHER PLAYOFF TEAMS are set based on total points regardless of record or division. We feel this gives us the best chance of rewarding the best teams. My best year I went 7-6 and won the super bowl, but lost 4 games on absolutely freak plays...one I remember was an overtime touchdown pass of 50 yards from Trent Green to Eddie Kennison. It left Green with 400 yds and was Kennisons only catch of the game. Guy I played that week had both and he beat me by one point. I made the playoffs becuase my points were second highest for the year even though by record I finished 3rd in my division. A format like this, IMHO will not change the benefits of your unique scoring league and will only give each team a chance to feel rewarded for success. This is our 7th year with this format and we have our share of issues too. But the teams that miss the playoffs have nothing to cry about and they are rewarded with the highest draft choices the next year... Hope this helps. Good Luck Hardrocker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravage Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Maybe I should use some of my own but I'm the commish and I've never used the commish powers for my own benefit. Idea.. Talk to one of the guys who's with me and see if he can get in touch with the others before the official vote. This is getting interesting but I'm not goin' down without a fight! I understand not wanting to use your influence as a commish to affect how the other owners might feel on rules but in this case it's absolutely necessary. Not only are you the commish you are an owner. If you don't want to play in a league that has these rules you must make your case and tell the other owners you'll be leaving if the measure passes, or depending on when you vote on such things, if it looks like it will pass. Truthfully you kind of got yourself into this one. In the league I started and run all prospective changes must be run through the commish(me). Any changes I won't do never see the light of day. That's not to say that some I didn't really care for didn't pass because they did. I'm just talking about those really dumb suggestions that can gain steam just because an owner talks it up. The one you're talking about is that kind of item. This is not the time to play "fair" commish. This is the time to use all of your influence for the betterment of your league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Arguing for the benefits of your position is not abusing your powers as Commish. If you were to jsut implement the system without a consensus, then you'd be overstepping... but trying to convince the otehr owners that your position is best is just fine. If it does not work out, then just tell the brothers (as condescendingly as possible) that you have to resign from the league because you have outgrown their incredibly simplistic view of fantasy football and that you need to go and find a greater challenge than they can provide for your skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Misfit Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Propose a compromise. Play three games each week -- not one, not 11, but three. Over a 14-week regular season, that would be 42 games. The highest-scoring team for the week will always go 3-0, the second-highest scoring team will always go either 2-1 or 3-0. Then add in the playoffs the last three weeks. Everyone's happy. It really doesn't change your management strategy at all. To paraphrase a wise huddler here, you still want to start the guys who score the most points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 Commish or not your still an owner aren't you? Then you have just as much say as the others. And where is the fun in those rules????? What you need to do is bring it to a vote quickly. That way if it doesn't go your way you can leave, giving them plenty of time to find a replacement. If the decision is done at the last minute. Play the season and at the end resign. It may look like your "Taking your ball and going home" but in the end why should you pay for something you don't want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted July 4, 2006 Share Posted July 4, 2006 My local has both, we have a 17 week overall points champion, with 2nd and 3rd overall getting some $ as well, and we have a head to head as well for 14 weeks with week 15 and 16 the PO/SB. So, we have both types of leagues under one umbrella-overall points and head to head. Also, the SB champ has not been 1st and 2nd place team in overall points for the majority of our exsistence(1989). We have always run it that way-it works for us and any point system should work as well-Peace PD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Put it to a vote as soon as possible and let it fall where it does......period. What did you say?, average this or that? Huh?? Any given Sunday....as a man or a team, you got to stand up every/any day..... I don't understand the problem as a democratic comish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Voice your opinion. But if you been in the league that long.. Do you really want this to be the reason to quit. Or is it more. If not. Take the change they like u as commish so they will at least listen. Plus sounds like you must have a damn good group of owners which is VERY HARD to find if you been playing with them this long. Just think about it. I know you got to be hot under the collar. But at least voice your opinion and tell them what u think about the Playoff system. U might be surprised and they pick that. Make sure u stress the benefits of yours vs theirs. If they like me the bye week via playoffs and a chance to have a few bad weeks and sneak into the playoff and win. Thats PRICELESS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Voice your opinion. But if you been in the league that long.. Do you really want this to be the reason to quit. Or is it more. If not. Take the change they like u as commish so they will at least listen. Plus sounds like you must have a damn good group of owners which is VERY HARD to find if you been playing with them this long. Just think about it. I know you got to be hot under the collar. But at least voice your opinion and tell them what u think about the Playoff system. U might be surprised and they pick that. Make sure u stress the benefits of yours vs theirs. If they like me the bye week via playoffs and a chance to have a few bad weeks and sneak into the playoff and win. Thats PRICELESS. Exactly. Obviously, you need to speak your mind and push your position. However, do this as an owner. Once all the folks have pushed/forwarded their agenda, the bottom line should be that this is an issue that is a league decision. The only reason in this situation that they should know you are the commish, is that you are the one that calls for the vote. In your position, as a commish, it seems (to me) you are to involved in who's pushing who. It's a fine line you must respect or you will lose respect. For me, after 15 years, it would take WAY more then this single issue, for me to walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizards Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Voice your opinion....let the votes fall as they may...and play or QUIT!! Who really cares one way or the other...see how easy it is to say what you think!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smittyoc Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 If these guys want you as "commish for life" then step up as their leader and voice your opinion as an owner and also as the "leader" of this well established league. You could try the other variation where there are 2 wins to be had each week... 1 for the straight heads up win and the other for the top half of scoring in the league that week. This allows the team who loses to the top scorer in a week by a point to still go 1-1 for the week. If they're worried about getting screwed, even though they may have accumulated the most points throughout the season, then give a larger payout for most points in the regular season. There is always going to be the bad beats when you lose to the highest point getter in a week and the other guys are squeaking by with 20 points. But there is nothing that you can do about it when you set your lineup. I hope that your looking to start the highest point totalers on a weekly basis, not worrying who your opponent is starting. Unfortunately, alot of guys do not take well to change...but if they're willing to radically change your playing schedule then a playoff system shouldn't be out of the question. GOOD LUCK!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 Thanks for all the advice all! I'M GONNA STAND UP AND VOICE MY OPINION! If it goes against me, so be it. I'll finish out this season. I'm also going to add to the voting list a playoff format. So even if it doesn't go my way, maybe the playoff will and I can accept change with change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Thanks for all the advice all! I'M GONNA STAND UP AND VOICE MY OPINION! If it goes against me, so be it. I'll finish out this season. I'm also going to add to the voting list a playoff format. So even if it doesn't go my way, maybe the playoff will and I can accept change with change! Good deal. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Here's the bottom line: You are commish and you started the League. Put your foot down and exert your power. They are free to quit the league and start one of their own with their own rules if they don't like it. I'm the commish of my own league, going into its 12th year. Like you, there was a moment 8 years ago where I almost quit my own league because one owner was startign so much crap going as far as to accuse me of cheating. Then, as I commuted home up the Merritt Parkway I had an epiphany: wakawaka him. No way was a 1st year owner goign to make me quit the league i started. So in a radical move, I refunded him his dough from my own pocket (not the leagues) and kicked him out immediately lettign the league take over that team. Turmoil for a few weeks after, but the league is much stronger now for it. All good commissioners take owners wishes into consideration, but must rule with an iron fist in order to maintain order and respect. These 3 are trouble makers from the sound of it, and start by just not allowing this vote to happen. Give them the option of quitting next. Bend and never break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZDoesit Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 Like you, there was a moment 8 years ago where I almost quit my own league because one owner was startign so much crap going as far as to accuse me of cheating. Vatican.....is that the worst or what ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 You're an owner. Lobby the other owners. Take them out for beers. Whatever it takes. While you're at it, maybe you can change this: RBs get double points for TD catches QBs, WRs get double points for rushing TDs Just never understood the old doublepoints for an usual TD thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Vatican.....is that the worst or what ? Absolutely, if anything I can be labled with trying too hard to be unbiased in all issues. It was after his accusal that I cracked for a few hours until I cleared my head on that commute home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skilly Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Here's the bottom line: You are commish and you started the League. Put your foot down and exert your power. They are free to quit the league and start one of their own with their own rules if they don't like it. I'm the commish of my own league, going into its 12th year. Like you, there was a moment 8 years ago where I almost quit my own league because one owner was startign so much crap going as far as to accuse me of cheating. Then, as I commuted home up the Merritt Parkway I had an epiphany: wakawaka him. No way was a 1st year owner goign to make me quit the league i started. So in a radical move, I refunded him his dough from my own pocket (not the leagues) and kicked him out immediately lettign the league take over that team. Turmoil for a few weeks after, but the league is much stronger now for it. All good commissioners take owners wishes into consideration, but must rule with an iron fist in order to maintain order and respect. These 3 are trouble makers from the sound of it, and start by just not allowing this vote to happen. Give them the option of quitting next. Bend and never break. Absofreakinlutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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