Avernus Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Raiders | Moss looking to once again be a deep threat Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:28:03 -0700 ESPN.com's John Clayton reports Oakland Raiders WR Randy Moss says the groin injury that hampered him last season is feeling better, and he believes the healthy legs of QB Aaron Brooks could make him the game's most dangerous deep threat once again. Moss says Brooks' mobility will buy the Raiders' time for him to get deep and catch the 14 or 15 long passes he grew accustomed to with the Minnesota Vikings. Broncos | T. Bell told to hit the weights Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:54:40 -0700 John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan told Broncos RB Tatum Bell to hit the weights because Bell didn't run hard enough on short-yardage and goal-line plays. Bell averaged 5.3 yards a carry in each of his first two seasons, but his average in short-yardage runs has been only slightly more than 2 yards a carry. Bell is hoping by improving his short-yardage average he'll be able to beat out RB Ron Dayne to be the team's starting running back. Titans | Calico looks to return to rookie season form Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:42:15 -0700 Craig Tapper, of TitansOnline.com, reports Tennessee Titans WR Tyrone Calico is looking to return to the form which made him a top target for the Titans in 2003. Calico missed most of 2004 and 2005 with nagging injuries. General manager Floyd Reese thinks Calico has the chance to be an elite receiver in the league, "Physically, there are very few players in this league that are in his category. But he has to work on patterns, catching the ball and concentration – the little things." Bills | McGahee motivated to get new contract Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:37:31 -0700 Vic Carucci, of NFL.com, reports Buffalo Bills RB Willis McGahee was a pleasant surprise by showing up to the team's minicamp in good physical condition despite missing the team's offseason workouts. McGahee may be motivated to have a better season than 2005 in order to get a better contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 McGahee in a contract year could mean bigger numbers.. I just hope he didn't pul a Jamal by half-arsing one season so he could have a stronger following season... only Jamal did it the numbskull way by doing it in a contract year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 IF the story is true... ...It's outrageous that any NFL coach has to tell a professional football player to hit the weights. Weight-training is an integral part of avoiding injury and improving performance as a football player. It's pathetic that Shany would have to tell Tatum to work out with weights!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 IF the story is true... ...It's outrageous that any NFL coach has to tell a professional football player to hit the weights. Weight-training is an integral part of avoiding injury and improving performance as a football player. It's pathetic that Shany would have to tell Tatum to work out with weights!! exactly....looks like I still won't be changing my tune on Tatum.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 IF the story is true... ...It's outrageous that any NFL coach has to tell a professional football player to hit the weights. Weight-training is an integral part of avoiding injury and improving performance as a football player. It's pathetic that Shany would have to tell Tatum to work out with weights!! i doubt the conversation was like, "hey tatum, you know if you use weights to train with, your muscles will get bigger because they respond to stress". "Really coach. Gee, thanks." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 i doubt the conversation was like, "hey tatum, you know if you use weights to train with, your muscles will get bigger because they respond to stress". "Really coach. Gee, thanks." Nope, it was probably more like this: "Coach, I want to be the man this year. I can carry the ball 30 times a game. Sit that fatass Dayne on the bench & use me like a rented mule." "Tater, errr, Tatum, have you seen that your ypc from your first 10 carries a game to your second ten goes down faster than a whore on Saturday night? Have you seen that against a stacked line that my mom gains more yards than you? You need to get your sorry whiny ass out of here & into the weight room - NOW! Wait, first get me some pie, girlie." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nope, it was probably more like this: "Coach, I want to be the man this year. I can carry the ball 30 times a game. Sit that fatass Dayne on the bench & use me like a rented mule." "Tater, errr, Tatum, have you seen that your ypc from your first 10 carries a game to your second ten goes down faster than a whore on Saturday night? Have you seen that against a stacked line that my mom gains more yards than you? You need to get your sorry whiny ass out of here & into the weight room - NOW! Wait, first get me some pie, girlie." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 But he has to work on patterns, catching the ball and concentration – the little things." The little things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 The little things? no clue...lol...maybe opposed to staying healthy?....that's all I can come up with... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Nope, it was probably more like this: "Coach, I want to be the man this year. I can carry the ball 30 times a game. Sit that fatass Dayne on the bench & use me like a rented mule." "Tater, errr, Tatum, have you seen that your ypc from your first 10 carries a game to your second ten goes down faster than a whore on Saturday night? Have you seen that against a stacked line that my mom gains more yards than you? You need to get your sorry whiny ass out of here & into the weight room - NOW! Wait, first get me some pie, girlie." +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Broncos | T. Bell told to hit the weights Tue, 11 Jul 2006 19:54:40 -0700 John Clayton, of ESPN.com, reports Denver Broncos head coach Mike Shanahan told Broncos RB Tatum Bell to hit the weights because Bell didn't run hard enough on short-yardage and goal-line plays. Bell averaged 5.3 yards a carry in each of his first two seasons, but his average in short-yardage runs has been only slightly more than 2 yards a carry. Bell is hoping by improving his short-yardage average he'll be able to beat out RB Ron Dayne to be the team's starting running back. Okay, I'll admit it. I don't get it. If it's a short-yardage situation, isn't getting 2 yds a good thing? If 3 yds are needed, that's really not a short-yardage situation, right? And TBell is averaging 5.3 yds in those situations, right? So, what's wrong here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Okay, I'll admit it. I don't get it. If it's a short-yardage situation, isn't getting 2 yds a good thing? If 3 yds are needed, that's really not a short-yardage situation, right? And TBell is averaging 5.3 yds in those situations, right? So, what's wrong here? knowing Tatum Bell...he probably broke a 40 yd run and then had the rest be all under a yard at best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 This seems like the Tatum trash talking thread. I will admit I had him on my roster last year. I picked him up early thinking he would be the man. He did squat, that is until week 17. Unfortually that is our Super Bowl week, our FA pool had been frozen weeks ago and I was in a bind because I had players "resting" for the real playoffs. My only option to fill my roster was Tatum. WOW Three TD's later and I win the Super Bowl. I ain't gonna say I have man-love for the guy or will draft him this year but for that one day; "Tatum was the Man" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Okay, I'll admit it. I don't get it. If it's a short-yardage situation, isn't getting 2 yds a good thing? If 3 yds are needed, that's really not a short-yardage situation, right? And TBell is averaging 5.3 yds in those situations, right? So, what's wrong here? What Avernus said a couple of posts above, is correct. Just to really lay it out, so it's completely clear. To get a RB's short yardage average, you look at how many yards a RB achieved in short yardage situations, divide that by the number of short yardage opportunities the RB had and viola, there's your RB's short yardage average. So the RB averages 2 ypc in short yardage situations. Sounds Ok right? It is until you look at the individual carries that produced the RB's 2 ypc in those short yardage situations. -1, 0, 0, 1, 2, -3, 4, 1, 2, -1, 0, 2, 1, -2, 1, 0, -3, 1, 0 & 35 yards. The above numbers indeed average out to a 2 ypc in short yardage situations, but, as you can see, the reality is the 35 yard run has artificially inflated the RB's short yardage ypc. This is one instance where you do want to take out the one long run, to get a more accurate picture of the RB's actual short yardage ability. So what would the short yardage average of the RB be without that one 35 yard run? 0.26 ypc. Out of the 20 3rd & short opportunities (2 yards), how many 1st downs would the RB have actually converted? 25%....not a good short yardage back! That's Shanny's problem with Tinker Bell. It's why Mike Anderson beat him out of the starting RB gig last year and probably Dayne, Cobbs or Sapp will beat him out this year. Definite Home Run Hitter , but currently not a good short yardage back. I'm 99.9% sure the above is right, but I'll ask Bronco Billy (Huddles very own Bronco expert) to critique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 no clue...lol...maybe opposed to staying healthy?....that's all I can come up with... Need spare change for Kung-fu lessons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Tatum Bell, 2005 short yardage/goal line: Week 1 1st & 3 @ O3 0 yds 2nd & 3 @ O3 0 yds 4th & 1 @ O 1 -1 yds 2nd & 1 @ O19 4 yds Week 4 3rd & 1 @ D29 2 yds Week 5 4th & 1 @ O34 34 yds/TD 3rd & 1 @ D40 2 yds Week 6 2nd & 3 @ O3 3 yds/TD 3rd & 3 @ D27 -5 yds Week 7 2nd & 5 @ O5 1 yd 3rd & 2 @ O39 11 yds Week 8 4th & 3 @ O6 6 yds/TD Week 10 3rd & 3 @ 50 -2 yds 1st & 6 @ O6 0 yds 3rd & 2 @ D28 2 yds 2nd & 3 @ O31 14 yds Week 11 2nd & 3 @ O38 2 yds 3rd & 1 @ O36 4 yds 2nd & 1 @ O5 0 yds 2nd & 1 @ O40 5 yds 3rd & 2 @ O11 0 yds Week 14 2nd & 2 @ O45 1 yd 3rd & 2 @ O26 1 yd Week 15 2nd & 2 @ O47 8 yds 2nd & 1 @ O24 1 yd 3rd & 2 @ O18 1 yd Week 16 2nd & 2 @ D40 3 yds Week 17 1st & 6 @ O6 6 yds/TD 3rd & 1 @ D15 1 yd TOTALS 29 carries for 104 yds 3.59 ypc 4 TDs 55% success rate Gained 1 yd or less in short yardage: 48.3% of carries Edited July 13, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Tatum Bell, 2005 short yardage/goal line: 29 carries for 104 yds 3.59 ypc 4 TDs 55% success rate[/b] Interesting that Shanny is unhappy with Bell's 2 ypc short yardage running, while Bronco Billy's analysis shows Bell sporting a 3.59 ypc for short yardage running. Someones a little off here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Another stat to measure Bell, is his success rate at getting 1st downs on his runs, whether it be 2 yards needed for the 1st, 4 yards, 6 yards....whatever Bell's success rate in that area was 43%. Mike Anderson had a success rate of 55%. Some other top backs and their success rates in converting the necessary yardage to get the 1st down. Edge = 62% Larry Johnson = 55% Alexander = 54% Rudi Johnson = 52% Portis = 50% Barber = 49% Dillon = 49% LT2 = 47% Here's the link to RB's Success Rate at getting the necessary yardage required for 1st downs. www.footballoutsiders.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 (edited) Interesting that Shanny is unhappy with Bell's 2 ypc short yardage running, while Bronco Billy's analysis shows Bell sporting a 3.59 ypc for short yardage running. Someones a little off here? I think Shanahan is probably talking about consistency. I know FF owners hate it when you throw out long runs, but Shanahan is talking about real world situations. If he throws out that 34 that Bell sprung for a TD that drops Bell immediately to a 2.5 ypc. I think the thing that really bugs Shanahan is that almost half of Bell's short yardage carries go for a yard or less - that's not the consistency that sustains drives, which is what the DEN O is all about. Edited July 13, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Another stat to measure Bell, is his success rate at getting 1st downs on his runs, whether it be 2 yards needed for the 1st, 4 yards, 6 yards....whatever Bell's success rate in that area was 43%. Mike Anderson had a success rate of 55%. Some other top backs and their success rates in converting the necessary yardage to get the 1st down. Edge = 62% Larry Johnson = 55% Alexander = 54% Rudi Johnson = 52% Portis = 50% Barber = 49% Dillon = 49% LT2 = 47% Here's the link to RB's Success Rate at getting the necessary yardage required for 1st downs. www.footballoutsiders.com Interesting that Dayne would have the #3 DVOA rate on the list, while Bell's is #13. That would go a long ways in explaining why Dayne is currently listed as the #1 RB in DEN - Shanahan is seeing that Dayne is an effective & successful runner when running in the DEN backfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 wow...I didn't realize how much I nailed that one on the head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 wow...I didn't realize how much I nailed that one on the head Even a blind squirrell gets a nut every now and then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 wow...I didn't realize how much I nailed that one on the head Thus reinforcing the notion that luck is indeed a significant factor in FF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Even a blind squirrell gets a nut every now and then except for the fact that I am right more than I am wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 Thus reinforcing the notion that luck is indeed a significant factor in FF. it was a lucky call...but knowing his style is the reasoning....which isn't luck.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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