klo91 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 In a dynasty league thats in its first year and has a :practice squad", is there usally a seperate rookie draft from the regular draft? Or do they draft regularly and not have a practice squad that year and has a rookie draft next year? thanks and sorry if this is a bit confusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 ive done my first 2 initial dynasty drafts, and we had seperate vet and rookie drafts...seems to be the norm. reversing the draft order from vet to rookie, and only having a rookie draft for years after. each league had a practice/taxi squad from the get go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaticRay Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 Totally depends on how you want it. All the dynasty drafts I've been in have had the rookies and vets combined the first year only. Some have Rookie taxi squads and some do not. After the first year They all have had seperate rookie and Vets drafts. Not all dynasty leagues let you keep your entire team. Most I've seen let you keep from 50-75% of your team ( all starters and some reservers). This gives them another draft for vets in July or Aug from none keepers and FAs. Adds an extra eliment to it - Do I keep a vet WR3 or do I keep someone with high potential that may break out later in the season or even next year. Just makes it a little more interesting (to me anyway) with the added Vet draft in July or Aug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skylive5 Posted July 15, 2006 Share Posted July 15, 2006 ..... we had seperate vet and rookie drafts...seems to be the norm. .... had a practice/taxi squad from the get go. If you are looking at your league lasting years... then .... successful Dynasty Leagues go this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Totally depends on how you want it. All the dynasty drafts I've been in have had the rookies and vets combined the first year only. Some have Rookie taxi squads and some do not. After the first year They all have had seperate rookie and Vets drafts. Not all dynasty leagues let you keep your entire team. Most I've seen let you keep from 50-75% of your team ( all starters and some reservers). This gives them another draft for vets in July or Aug from none keepers and FAs. Adds an extra eliment to it - Do I keep a vet WR3 or do I keep someone with high potential that may break out later in the season or even next year. Just makes it a little more interesting (to me anyway) with the added Vet draft in July or Aug. No offense, but the definition of a dynasty league, and what distinguishes it from a keeper league, is that dynasty leagues have rosters that are 100% retained, unless owners decide to drop players for whatever reason (retirement comes immediately to mind). Some deep keeper leagues think that calling themselves a dynasty league gives them some additional credibility for whatever reason - which I don't really comprehend, but hey, it's not my league - but that doesn't change the definition of what a dynasty league is. And every dynasty league that I've been a part of in its initial draft has always has seperate vet & rookie drafts. The vet drafts usually take place well before the NFL draft, and the rookie draft after the NFL draft in reverse serpentine order from the vet draft. Subsequent drafts are rookie drafts, though I have played in one dynasty league that allowed vet FAs to be drafted with the rookies (personally did not like that option, since you are selecting player with NFL experience & resumes along with those that have no NFL history). As far as practice squads, yes, leagues that have them institute them even during the initial year from my experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaticRay Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 "No offense, but the definition of a dynasty league, and what distinguishes it from a keeper league, is that dynasty leagues have rosters that are 100% retained, unless owners decide to drop players for whatever reason (retirement comes immediately to mind)." No Offense but that is your definition of a dynasty league. The norm in FF other than this site is Dynasty lets you keep all starters and a number of reserves. No leagues in real sports lets you keep every player on the team year after year. Dynasty in real sports and in FF let you keep all or most of your starters and some of your reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 "No offense, but the definition of a dynasty league, and what distinguishes it from a keeper league, is that dynasty leagues have rosters that are 100% retained, unless owners decide to drop players for whatever reason (retirement comes immediately to mind)." No Offense but that is your definition of a dynasty league. The norm in FF other than this site is Dynasty lets you keep all starters and a number of reserves. No leagues in real sports lets you keep every player on the team year after year. Dynasty in real sports and in FF let you keep all or most of your starters and some of your reserves. Okay, it's time to be offensive. You're wrong. The generally accepted definition of a dynsaty league is a 100% retention rate. That you don't understand that concept doesn't make it any less true, and that you feel the need to define a deep keeper league as a dynasty league for some irrational need on your part doesn't change that, either. And lofl at using real sports in an attempt to define a game. Exactly where do you use the terms "dynasty league", "keeper league", and "redraft league" in real sports? The NFL doesn't reward yardage gained with points, yet performance leagues are easily the most popular scoring systen in fantasy football. The NFL doesn't reduce points for touchdowns just because a QB throws them - yet many fantasy football leagues do. To attempt to define fantasy football by strict comparison to the NFL is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumont Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Okay, it's time to be offensive. You're wrong. The generally accepted definition of a dynsaty league is a 100% retention rate. That you don't understand that concept doesn't make it any less true, and that you feel the need to define a deep keeper league as a dynasty league for some irrational need on your part doesn't change that, either. And lofl at using real sports in an attempt to define a game. Exactly where do you use the terms "dynasty league", "keeper league", and "redraft league" in real sports? The NFL doesn't reward yardage gained with points, yet performance leagues are easily the most popular scoring systen in fantasy football. The NFL doesn't reduce points for touchdowns just because a QB throws them - yet many fantasy football leagues do. To attempt to define fantasy football by strict comparison to the NFL is ludicrous. Well, most dynasty leagues do have contracts or salary cap to ensure less than 100% retention each year ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Okay, it's time to be offensive. You're wrong. The generally accepted definition of a dynsaty league is a 100% retention rate. That you don't understand that concept doesn't make it any less true, and that you feel the need to define a deep keeper league as a dynasty league for some irrational need on your part doesn't change that, either. Hate to agree with Pony boy, but he's right on the money here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Dynasty = the ability to keep any and/or all players from one year to the next. One of my leagues is dynastic in nature within the confines of a salary cap. Player salaries are recalculated each year based on their previous year's salary and previous year's performance. In addition, owners sign players to contracts of varying lengths (1 to 5 years). If an owners total recalculated salary comes in under the salary cap then he can indeed retain all of his players ... but would be unlikely to do so because his team under performed. In addition, RFAs are bit more expensive to resign. However, owners can retain most of their players if they so desire. Each owner chooses how many of his players he wishes to retain within the contraints of the salary cap. That is NOT the same as a deep keeper league where owners can keep only a specified number of players. This is a KEEPER league. It's all symantics anyway and hardly relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Okay, it's time to be offensive. You're wrong. The generally accepted definition of a dynsaty league is a 100% retention rate. That you don't understand that concept doesn't make it any less true, and that you feel the need to define a deep keeper league as a dynasty league for some irrational need on your part doesn't change that, either. And lofl at using real sports in an attempt to define a game. Exactly where do you use the terms "dynasty league", "keeper league", and "redraft league" in real sports? The NFL doesn't reward yardage gained with points, yet performance leagues are easily the most popular scoring systen in fantasy football. The NFL doesn't reduce points for touchdowns just because a QB throws them - yet many fantasy football leagues do. To attempt to define fantasy football by strict comparison to the NFL is ludicrous. Bronco is correct here, however a key concept that is missing here is that the total number of players held over from year to year is up to an owners discretion.(Exception being salary cap leagues which get very tricky) If his team blew goats the previous year he could choose to whack the entire roster and start from scratch. Conversely, if a team was dominant one year and wanted to keep his entire team intact, he could choose to do that. Most commonly, a team will allow some bad or old players to 'walk' in order to bring in some rookies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AquaticRay Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Dynasty = the ability to keep any and/or all players from one year to the next. One of my leagues is dynastic in nature within the confines of a salary cap. Player salaries are recalculated each year based on their previous year's salary and previous year's performance. In addition, owners sign players to contracts of varying lengths (1 to 5 years). If an owners total recalculated salary comes in under the salary cap then he can indeed retain all of his players ... but would be unlikely to do so because his team under performed. In addition, RFAs are bit more expensive to resign. However, owners can retain most of their players if they so desire. Each owner chooses how many of his players he wishes to retain within the contraints of the salary cap. That is NOT the same as a deep keeper league where owners can keep only a specified number of players. This is a KEEPER league. It's all symantics anyway and hardly relevant. Yep it seems that everyone on all the other sites are wrong and you are right. We should run right over to ESPN, CBS, SportingNew, Yahoo, Draft Sharks, Ants, Fantasy football, Football Guys, RTS and inform them they are all wrong. A dynasty league is only a league where you are allowed to keep all players. See unfortunately 95+% of fantasy football people reject your definition. But you 15 here are right - us stupid 55 million other FF players must be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Yep it seems that everyone on all the other sites are wrong and you are right. We should run right over to ESPN, CBS, SportingNew, Yahoo, Draft Sharks, Ants, Fantasy football, Football Guys, RTS and inform them they are all wrong. A dynasty league is only a league where you are allowed to keep all players. See unfortunately 95+% of fantasy football people reject your definition. But you 15 here are right - us stupid 55 million other FF players must be wrong. It's okay to admit that you are wrong. Every source you are citing above will probably tell you that you are wrong also with the exception of CBSSportsline, who provide high comedy each & every year with their football acumen & advice. Just a bit of friendly advice for you, and you can take it for what it is worth - When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Yep it seems that everyone on all the other sites are wrong and you are right. We should run right over to ESPN, CBS, SportingNew, Yahoo, Draft Sharks, Ants, Fantasy football, Football Guys, RTS and inform them they are all wrong. A dynasty league is only a league where you are allowed to keep all players. See unfortunately 95+% of fantasy football people reject your definition. But you 15 here are right - us stupid 55 million other FF players must be wrong. So do tell .... when does a keeper become a dynasty ... at the 5th player, 8th player, 10th player? And if it's the 10th player why not the 9th player. You just run on over to those other sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Pat!!! Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Yep it seems that everyone on all the other sites are wrong and you are right. We should run right over to ESPN, CBS, SportingNew, Yahoo, Draft Sharks, Ants, Fantasy football, Football Guys, RTS and inform them they are all wrong. A dynasty league is only a league where you are allowed to keep all players. See unfortunately 95+% of fantasy football people reject your definition. But you 15 here are right - us stupid 55 million other FF players must be wrong. Yup, everyone agrees with you Go away now http://football.about.com/od/fantasygames/...tasyleagues.htm Dynasty Leagues Dynasty leagues are for the serious fantasy football owner and require a commitment over multiple seasons. After the initial draft in a dynasty league's inaugural season, players remain on the same roster from one season to the next unless they are traded or released. Each year after the initial season, a draft is held for rookies only, so fantasy owners must be more in tune to the talent in college than an owner in a standard draft league. Keeper Leagues A keeper league is sort of a combination between a standard draft league and a dynasty league. Each preseason, most of the players are drafted, however, owners are allowed to keep a predetermined number of players on their roster from the year before. Most league rules allow only a handful of players to be retained by each team from year to year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Keep none = redraft Keep some = keeper Keep all = dynasty Not tough to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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