Big Score 1 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is not an indictment against the Bills brain trust in spending the 8th pick of the draft on Whitner, who most eggspurts suggest would have been available later. The Bill saw a player they wanted and maybe were simply unable to find a suitable trading partner in the 1st, so instead of taking another player at a position of lesser need, they stuck to their guns and got the guy they wanted. Kudos to them for that. The problem now, the guy who was never projected or expected to go at the 8th pick, is a holdout. The Bills JUST...CAN'T...WIN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 This is not an indictment against the Bills brain trust in spending the 8th pick of the draft on Whitner, who most eggspurts suggest would have been available later. The Bill saw a player they wanted and maybe were simply unable to find a suitable trading partner in the 1st, so instead of taking another player at a position of lesser need, they stuck to their guns and got the guy they wanted. Kudos to them for that. The problem now, the guy who was never projected or expected to go at the 8th pick, is a holdout. The Bills JUST...CAN'T...WIN... Sucks huh... Huff gets 14 guaranteed, Sims gets 12.9. I cant believe he is holding out because of 1 million friggin bucks. I know its a lot, but in the grand scheme of things, its chump change. There really needs to be a rookie cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Miami has the same problem. Jason Allen was a bit of a reach - but for them it is not an issue of money but of the legnth of the contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Miami has the same problem. Jason Allen was a bit of a reach - but for them it is not an issue of money but of the legnth of the contract so are buf and miami trying to get off cheap because they took these guys as reaches? strange, you'd think these guys would be among the easiest to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 so are buf and miami trying to get off cheap because they took these guys as reaches? strange, you'd think these guys would be among the easiest to sign. Again - I believe that this biggest issue with the Allen signing is that he wants a five year contract whereas Miami wants a six Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Again - I believe that this biggest issue with the Allen signing is that he wants a five year contract whereas Miami wants a six well since that's just another factor determining overall "value" of the contract to the two parties, that really doesn't indicate whether or not they're trying to lowball him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 well since that's just another factor determining overall "value" of the contract to the two parties, that really doesn't indicate whether or not they're trying to lowball him. Well, regardless of what they are being offered, they were both considered reaches, and while I like Whitner, had the Bills not taken him, he might have fallen to outside the top 20. Just imagine, if there were a rookie cap, there would be no outrageous holouts like these. It amazes me how selfish these players are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Well, regardless of what they are being offered, they were both considered reaches, and while I like Whitner, had the Bills not taken him, he might have fallen to outside the top 20. Just imagine, if there were a rookie cap, there would be no outrageous holouts like these. It amazes me how selfish these players are. I would never call these players selfish when you consider NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Don't be fooled by these big number contracts you see players signing for. Most contracts are back loaded and structured so NFL teams can cut you without too much salary cap ramifications. A good example is TO's deal with the Eagles. He knew he wasn't going to see the majority of his deal and wanted to re-structure. These rookies are trying to get the best possible deal with the highest portion of guaranteed money/signing bonus. I think the average career of an NFL player is 4 years so these guys need to negotiate wisely. It's just a cat and mouse game all parties involved have to play when you consider how much of a meat market the NFL is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I would never call these players selfish when you consider NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Don't be fooled by these big number contracts you see players signing for. Most contracts are back loaded and structured so NFL teams can cut you without too much salary cap ramifications. A good example is TO's deal with the Eagles. He knew he wasn't going to see the majority of his deal and wanted to re-structure. These rookies are trying to get the best possible deal with the highest portion of guaranteed money/signing bonus. I think the average career of an NFL player is 4 years so these guys need to negotiate wisely. It's just a cat and mouse game all parties involved have to play when you consider how much of a meat market the NFL is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 What's in a name anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Players hit a small lottery if they're drafted in the first couple of rounds (mid/late picks, not so much ... but still a very nice payday). Only a fraction of those play long enough to try to get a second lottery (i.e., their first "real" contract). And, only a few players are able to play long enough to get a third (or fourth). IIRC, longevity at a high pay-grade can be found at (in order, in my opinion) ... QB ... then OT, OG, DG (esp. NT), S and WR ... then, to a lesser extent at DE, CB, LB and TE ... with RBs coming in last in the "high pay for a very long time" category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I would never call these players selfish when you consider NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Don't be fooled by these big number contracts you see players signing for. Most contracts are back loaded and structured so NFL teams can cut you without too much salary cap ramifications. A good example is TO's deal with the Eagles. He knew he wasn't going to see the majority of his deal and wanted to re-structure. These rookies are trying to get the best possible deal with the highest portion of guaranteed money/signing bonus. I think the average career of an NFL player is 4 years so these guys need to negotiate wisely. It's just a cat and mouse game all parties involved have to play when you consider how much of a meat market the NFL is. The money he is negotiating IS guaranteed. I dont care about Bushs 63 million, Im talkin bonus here. Youre gonna sit there and say he isnt selfish because they wont give him 13 million, theyll only give him 12? Cmon now... The numbers might not all be accurate, but the bonus's are guaranteed, and he, my friend, is being Nu Wave Oven selfish. (Thats pretty selfish I think.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I would never call these players selfish when you consider NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Don't be fooled by these big number contracts you see players signing for. Most contracts are back loaded and structured so NFL teams can cut you without too much salary cap ramifications. A good example is TO's deal with the Eagles. He knew he wasn't going to see the majority of his deal and wanted to re-structure. These rookies are trying to get the best possible deal with the highest portion of guaranteed money/signing bonus. I think the average career of an NFL player is 4 years so these guys need to negotiate wisely. It's just a cat and mouse game all parties involved have to play when you consider how much of a meat market the NFL is. That average isnt for starters either. That includes the momos that play for a year and are out of the NFL... Just thought that was important to add. While not all 1st rounders are guaranteed starters, theyre drafted for that reason, to eventually be a starter and not just to play for 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Miami has the same problem. Jason Allen was a bit of a reach - but for them it is not an issue of money but of the legnth of the contract The Bills wanted him and didn't think he'd be there in round 2. Done it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 The Bills wanted him and didn't think he'd be there in round 2. Done it myself. Good stuff right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 I would never call these players selfish when you consider NFL contracts aren't guaranteed. Don't be fooled by these big number contracts you see players signing for. Most contracts are back loaded and structured so NFL teams can cut you without too much salary cap ramifications. A good example is TO's deal with the Eagles. He knew he wasn't going to see the majority of his deal and wanted to re-structure. These rookies are trying to get the best possible deal with the highest portion of guaranteed money/signing bonus. I think the average career of an NFL player is 4 years so these guys need to negotiate wisely. It's just a cat and mouse game all parties involved have to play when you consider how much of a meat market the NFL is. THANK YOU! Someone actually gets it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 The Bills wanted him and didn't think he'd be there in round 2. Done it myself. Good answer. Its never a reach if you feel he is the player for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 The money he is negotiating IS guaranteed. I dont care about Bushs 63 million, Im talkin bonus here. Youre gonna sit there and say he isnt selfish because they wont give him 13 million, theyll only give him 12? Cmon now... The numbers might not all be accurate, but the bonus's are guaranteed, and he, my friend, is being Nu Wave Oven selfish. (Thats pretty selfish I think.) So why don't the Bills pony up? It's only a million dollars..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 So why don't the Bills pony up? It's only a million dollars..... Dont ask a dumb question. They have 52 other players to worry about, and a cap to worry about. Donte Whitner knows this and should take it in to consideration... at least if he was a team player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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