Bill Swerski Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) Yeah, but I would like to see them in(TD and Holmes). Dominance over several years means more to me than longevity. Dominance with regard to RBs over a short period of time is more often tied to a dominant O-line than the quality of the back. Holmes and Davis were both very talented backs, but are also the two best "product of the system" examples in recent history, as their successors (LJ and Portis) were nearly as dominant. Not that dominance over three or four years doesn't mean anything, but it often rewards skill-position players for being in the right place at the right time. Edited August 5, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Not that dominance over three or four years doesn't mean anything, but it often rewards skill-position players for being in the right place at the right time. See "Lynn Swann". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Dominance with regard to RBs over a short period of time is more often tied to a dominant O-line than the quality of the back. Holmes and Davis were both very talented backs, but are also the two best "product of the system" examples in recent history, as their successors (LJ and Portis) were nearly as dominant. Not that dominance over three or four years doesn't mean anything, but it often rewards skill-position players for being in the right place at the right time. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Dan Reeves - 200+ wins as HC, 5 SB appearances, and he doesn't make it? C'mon... Dan Reeves is in the HoF already Has Reeves "officially" retired? That's the only reason I could think of him not being in. I know he has been out of coaching for 2 years now, but I dont know if is retired or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Dan Reeves is in the HoF already Has Reeves "officially" retired? That's the only reason I could think of him not being in. I know he has been out of coaching for 2 years now, but I dont know if is retired or not. So Dan moved his team to Los Angeles and some beeatch moved it back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Harvey Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Kenny Anderson Had the stats of Aikman in a less passer-friendly era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 See "Lynn Swann". Lynn Swann wasn't even dominant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Joe Klecko, the only NFL player to ever make the pro bowl at three different positions. DE, DT and NT, all very different positions.... that guy was special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Bob Hayes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 When LB Randy Gradishar started 10 years with the Broncos and averaged better per-game career stats in almost every significant statistical category than Ray Lewis, but still can't get into the HoF, that's a travesty & quite frankly a sick joke that tyhe voters apparently think is funny for some unfathomable reason. Wurd. #53 was a beast. I wore his jersey for years in elementary school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 art monk and randy gradishar, and NOT john madden. What? He's only the winningest coach with 100+ games under his belt. You might not like him in the booth, but that's not what got him in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbmcdonald Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Tommy Nobis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatGreg Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Pete Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Bob Hayes. A hearty 2nd on that one. Probably the most significant WR between Don Hutson and Jerry Rice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Pete Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 What? He's only the winningest coach with 100+ games under his belt. You might not like him in the booth, but that's not what got him in there. i disagree completely. it is EXACTLY his fame due to sitting in the booth and having his name on video games that got him into the hall, IMO. a guy with 100 wins and one super bowl doesn't make it to canton unless he's a household name because of other reasons. if you disagree, then why do you think it took 27 years for him to get in? what changed in the last 20 years, aside from all his grunts and "boom", "pow" crap becoming ubiquitous on the airwaves? i think it would make more sense if he made it in as a coach/contributor instead of just as a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 i disagree completely. it is EXACTLY his fame due to sitting in the booth and having his name on video games that got him into the hall, IMO. a guy with 100 wins and one super bowl doesn't make it to canton unless he's a household name because of other reasons. if you disagree, then why do you think it took 27 years for him to get in? what changed in the last 20 years, aside from all his grunts and "boom", "pow" crap becoming ubiquitous on the airwaves? i think it would make more sense if he made it in as a coach/contributor instead of just as a coach. It's the combination of all three. Take away his very good coaching career and ring and I'm not sure that he gets in. Take away his broadcasting career and video game and he's George Allen with a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Aaron Brooks is a first ballot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 What we thought last summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Ray Guy Chris Carter ( 2 more years ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Dominance with regard to RBs over a short period of time is more often tied to a dominant O-line than the quality of the back. Holmes and Davis were both very talented backs, but are also the two best "product of the system" examples in recent history, as their successors (LJ and Portis) were nearly as dominant. Not that dominance over three or four years doesn't mean anything, but it often rewards skill-position players for being in the right place at the right time. Davis is not the same as Holmes. TD brought two championships to Denver. I know he had a great line and a HOF QB. Davis was dominant. Maybe he's the reason that Shanny's teams have been so run dominant since then. TD is still a borderline candidate... but he's MUCH closer than Holmes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Dominance with regard to RBs over a short period of time is more often tied to a dominant O-line than the quality of the back. Holmes and Davis were both very talented backs, but are also the two best "product of the system" examples in recent history, as their successors (LJ and Portis) were nearly as dominant. Not that dominance over three or four years doesn't mean anything, but it often rewards skill-position players for being in the right place at the right time. That doesn't explain Stepnoski only making 1 pro bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Davis is not the same as Holmes. TD brought two championships to Denver. I know he had a great line and a HOF QB. Davis was dominant. Maybe he's the reason that Shanny's teams have been so run dominant since then. TD is still a borderline candidate... but he's MUCH closer than Holmes. TD isn't even close to being a candidate. He was dominant for only three years and only has 7,600 rushing yds and 60 TDs over the course of his career. That's not HOF material. Winning two SBs helps, but the fact that he played on two really good teams isn't going to overshadow his good-but-not-great career numbers. Priest was a more dominant back than TD. He's a different style runner, so he never had those 1,700- and 2,000-yd rushing seasons, but he still has more career rushing yds, a lot more receiving yards, and A LOT more TDs. His 27-TD season also broke the single-season NFL record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Harvey Martin Bob Hayes Michael Irvin Emmit Smith oh and Art Monk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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