spain Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Ok, so we know the consensus is that LT2, Alexander, and LJ are the top 3 backs in no particular order. But lets talk about how you rank the next tier of guys. How do you rate Portis, Tiki, Edge, S Jackson, Ronnie Brown, McGahee, Lamont Jordan, and Cadillac. DMD has them all in the same tier which I dont agree with. I think Portis, Tiki, and Jackson are a cut above the others and should be tier 2. I like Portis ALOT this year. I really could group him with the top3 guys actually. Tiki is always the most under-rated fantasy player in the league. He should have another consistent year for an improving Giants team. And Stephen Jackson's upside puts him up into tier 2 for me. Then for Tier 3 I like them in this order: Ronnie, Edge, Caddillac, Mcgahee, Rudi, Dom Davis, Jordan. Browns upside is very exciting and pushes him to the top of this group. Edge is a stud but Arizona is historically the places where RB careers go to die. His talent still ranks him here. Caddy and McGahee are about even to me. Then I group Rudi, Dom, and Jordan sort of together. Unlike DMD, I dont think Westbrook should be included in this tier. Recap of my rankings: LT2, SA, LJ Portis(1a) Tiki, SJax(tier 2) Tier 3 Ronnie, Edge Caddy, McGahee Rudi, Dom, Jordan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Good stuff. I generally agree. I think. I've got the 10 spot in one of my drafts. I wonder who will fall to me there. I like 9 guys at that spot. Of course they'll all go 1-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tally Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Just curious about the McGhee props, what about him do you like enough to group him w/ Caddy,R.Brown Jordan ect.. He absoultey destroyed one of my teams last year, I couldnt be more down on the guy. I do agree with you on Portis he is clearly the #4 guy in my book, he should have agreat year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 (edited) here's my example in a PPR league...and they are in no order....just grouped by tiers as I can think of them.. T1: LJ LT2 SA T2: Tiki Portis T3: Brown Caddy SJax LJ2 T4: Westy Edge KJ T5: Rudi McGahee CTaylor Droughns edit: moved LJ2 up a tier.....he's earned it... Edited August 5, 2006 by Avernus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Just curious about the McGhee props, what about him do you like enough to group him w/ Caddy,R.Brown Jordan ect.. He absoultey destroyed one of my teams last year, I couldnt be more down on the guy. I do agree with you on Portis he is clearly the #4 guy in my book, he should have agreat year. his talent is unquestionable......but the supporting cast and his durability are just as much a question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 For me only Portis and Tiki are tier 2. I believe the others are tier 3. SJax R Brown Cadillac Rudi Jordan Westbrook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PantherDave Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Foster kool-aid being served........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Things also change when you add a point per rec... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Foster kool-aid being served........ Barry is still playing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexterDew Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Spain- I agree that Portis is clearly #4 and would love to land him. The rest of Tier 2 (for me) is: Tiki Rudi Brown Jackson Cadillac I don't love Edge this year with that OL, or Jordan or McGahee DD isn't durable enough J Jones has Barber over his shoulder Droughns OL is deteriorating In fact, after the top 8, it looks pretty bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Foster kool-aid being served........ .......needs more sugar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 Spain- I agree that Portis is clearly #4 and would love to land him. The rest of Tier 2 (for me) is: Tiki Rudi Brown Jackson Cadillac I don't love Edge this year with that OL, or Jordan or McGahee DD isn't durable enough J Jones has Barber over his shoulder Droughns OL is deteriorating In fact, after the top 8, it looks pretty bad I disagree....I still like Westy, CTaylor, KJ and Droughns..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooknladder Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Spain, where's the love for Jordan? Particularly when considering pts. per Rec. What are your views of his downside? I have to choose between him and the Edge with the no. 1 pick in my keeper league. You've got him way down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 One thing to remember about tiers is that they should represent "like" players but in the case of tier 2 for RB's, they don't make much sense really when you only had players 4-6 in them when they will clearly be drafted all in a row anyway. Other than Manning occasionally sneaking in, almost every draft has the top 10 or 11 backs all be taken before any other position is considered. So any tiering short of that initial run doesn't really make much difference in the decision making process which is the only reason to tier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 Spain, where's the love for Jordan? Particularly when considering pts. per Rec. What are your views of his downside? I have to choose between him and the Edge with the no. 1 pick in my keeper league. You've got him way down there. I am not as high on Jordan as some are and like him least of the group being discussed. This will be another very bad Raider team. They will be passing alot to try to keep up with the other teams scoring. Plus, the have a new head coach, new system, and new qB in place. That much change is going to take some time to adjust to. Brooks is an able QB, but is prone to making big mistakes. If your scoring system gives point per reception for rb's, then Jordan needs to be bumped up some. I think he will catch alot of passes again this year, primarily as a safety valve when Blake cant find someone 50 yards down field. But otherwise, I have rated at the end of that list of rb's we discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 For me only Portis and Tiki are tier 2. I believe the others are tier 3. SJax R Brown Cadillac Rudi Jordan Westbrook +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bones1979 Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 I am not as high on Jordan as some are and like him least of the group being discussed. This will be another very bad Raider team. They will be passing alot to try to keep up with the other teams scoring. Plus, the have a new head coach, new system, and new qB in place. That much change is going to take some time to adjust to. Brooks is an able QB, but is prone to making big mistakes. If your scoring system gives point per reception for rb's, then Jordan needs to be bumped up some. I think he will catch alot of passes again this year, primarily as a safety valve when Blake cant find someone 50 yards down field. But otherwise, I have rated at the end of that list of rb's we discussed. You mean Brooks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted August 6, 2006 Author Share Posted August 6, 2006 You mean Brooks.... yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 6, 2006 Share Posted August 6, 2006 Curious as to what you see in SJackson that you consider strong enough upside to make Tier 3? He seems to get dinged a lot and has missed a few games and left a few more early. Also, unless I'm mistaken, weren't 3 of Ari's 5 starting OL last year done for the year from injury by Wk 5 or 6 last year? I ask that because I think you're looking WAY past Edge who is going to pretty much the same OL that Emmitt did ok behind PLUS Denny Green invented prolific fantasy position players, did quite fine with Robert Smith and now has a bona fide talent that you cannot put 8 in the box against. Look past him at your own risk IMO. Easy Tier 3, maybe as good as Tier 2 Tiki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 For me only Portis and Tiki are tier 2. I believe the others are tier 3. SJax R Brown Cadillac Rudi Jordan Westbrook This is close to how I see it, with Rudi bumped up a spot or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 LT2, SA, LJ - yep, I i have em SA,LJ,LT Portis(1a) Tiki, SJax(tier 2)- not buying into SJax- I have hard time believing Rams will run him enough Tier 3 Ronnie, Edge - I like RBrown alot, Caddy, McGahee Rudi, Dom, Jordan - think LJordan will be nice back- I like Westbrook over DD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 One thing to remember about tiers is that they should represent "like" players but in the case of tier 2 for RB's, they don't make much sense really when you only had players 4-6 in them when they will clearly be drafted all in a row anyway. Other than Manning occasionally sneaking in, almost every draft has the top 10 or 11 backs all be taken before any other position is considered. So any tiering short of that initial run doesn't really make much difference in the decision making process which is the only reason to tier. I'm glad somebody said this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Misfit Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 One thing to remember about tiers is that they should represent "like" players but in the case of tier 2 for RB's, they don't make much sense really when you only had players 4-6 in them when they will clearly be drafted all in a row anyway. Other than Manning occasionally sneaking in, almost every draft has the top 10 or 11 backs all be taken before any other position is considered. So any tiering short of that initial run doesn't really make much difference in the decision making process which is the only reason to tier. I gotta respectfully disagree. This used to be how tiering was used -- I used to tier so that after the first tier of RBs were gone, I'd look at Tier 1 WRs -- but with the RB-crazed world that has become fantasy football, it just doesn't work that way any more. Take thehuddle tiers: RBs have 3 in T1, 11 in T2; WRs have 8 in T1, 6 in T2; and QBs have 2 in T1, 10 in T2. As you describe it, there is no reason to have only 3 RBs in T1, since the first dozen or so picks will be RBs. It gets even crazier with the QBs: There are 2 in T1, but Manning is #12 overall -- in the middle of T2 RBs -- and Brady is #37 overall, at the end of the T3 RBs. How can they be "like" players, when you have one ranked two rounds behind the other one? While you can argue taking Manning at the end of the first round is a good but risky pick, taking Brady at that spot is insanity. I think what spain is doing is closer to what you are doing -- the decision-making process you speak of is not about when to draft which position, but grouping players by similar "risk/reaward" so that if you could draft any of those players in the tier without making a bone-headed decision. This is why everyone has the top 3 RBs as T1-- any of those three are a good pick at 1. That's not true with the T2 RBs, even though they'll get drafted right after the T1 RBs. Right now, I have the obvious 3 at T1; Portis, Tiki, Rudi, Ronnie, Caddy, Edge at T2; SJax, McGahee, Jordan at T3. I'd probably take any of those guys before I even thought of a T1 WR this year, but if I have, say, the ninth pick, and there is a T2 RB left, I'm taking that guy over anyone in T3. So, again, I think the subdivision helps, unless you draft according to a strict cheat sheet (I don't). Tiering that way also gives you another option in modern fantasy football: For those in multiple leagues, you can diversify your picks based on your tiers, leaving you less susceptible injuries, which is a concern with any RB. So, if I had the first pick in two different leagues, I'd probably take LJ in one and SA in another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DexterDew Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I disagree....I still like Westy, CTaylor, KJ and Droughns..... The thing about the four you listed is that I don't like them as my RB1. If I could pair any of them (sans Droughns) with one of my top 8 RBs, I would be extremly happy.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 The way I build tiers is based on what you'd like to see them as on your roster: Tier 1 = "Screw you" players, as in "screw you all, I got LJ" LJ LT2 SA Tier 2 = Quality #1 - guys you can't quite say screw you over, but ones you would love to land as your #1 RB: Tiki Portis Edge Rudi Jordan Tier 3 = Meh as #1 (acceptable if you go stud elsewhere first) or high caliber #2 RB: McGahee RBrown Jackson Caddy Westbrook Tier 4 = Weak #1, solid #2, strong #3+, generally have risk/potential rewards: Dillon Chester Taylor Dom Jamal Fast Willie Droughns Foster Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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