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Another chapter of "All My Bengals"


The Misfit
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Okay, I've defended the arrests in the past, blah blah blah, and even though I see this as hardly newsworthy, I have to admit this makes about 10 percent of the final roster facing criminal charges, and this did happen during training camp (Sunday is an off day, and the Ohio River is about 70 miles north of training camp in Georgetown, Ky.).

 

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Bengals left guard Eric Steinbach was arrested Saturday night and charged with operating a boat under the influence on the Ohio River.

 

He was arrested by an officer with the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources. Steinbach was stopped for speeding by the officer in the idle-only zone between the I-75 and I-471 bridges, Mark Marraccini, spokesman for the agency, said Monday.

 

The officer ran Steinbach through a series of field sobriety tests, which he failed, Marraccini said. Steinbach then was arrested and taken to the Campbell County Jail. He refused a breath test. He will appear in Campbell District Court today.

 

The Bengals do not comment on ongoing legal issues involving players.

 

Steinbach practiced twice Monday.

 

Edit to add: This story is also in today's paper, which is pretty funny in an ironic sorta way

 

The football team has set up a telephone hot line - 513-381-JERK (5375) - that fans with cell phones will be able to call to report obnoxious behavior in the stands.

 

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If anyone finds pics, please let me know. A good friend of mine that I boat with is Eric's cousin and sold his old boat to Eric last year. I assume this is the same boat (which I have been on), so I'd like to find a pic to send to my friend.

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This team is out of control. I think Marvin Lewis should do the honorable thing and step down as head coach.

 

 

I laughed at this at first, but it was exactly my reaction last year to the Viking boat scandal. I saw it as a further sign that the team lost respect for Tice and were out of control. At some point the coach has to have accountability.

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I cant imagine that the Bengals will have a good season. There are way too many knuckleheads on this team. And they certainly arent focused on football. Plus, with all the legal proceedings coming up for what 5 players arrested in 3 months? This team will lack character and focus will definitely be an issue. Shame but somethings never change and the sexyoles having a bad season is one of those things...

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I cant imagine that the Bengals will have a good season. There are way too many knuckleheads on this team. And they certainly arent focused on football. Plus, with all the legal proceedings coming up for what 5 players arrested in 3 months? This team will lack character and focus will definitely be an issue. Shame but somethings never change and the sexyoles having a bad season is one of those things...

 

 

You are forgetting the context.

 

Mike Brown was all about character after the Vickie C. rape charges in Seattle -- one of the things that sent the team into a downward spiral for the next 15 years. One of the reasons he hired Dave Shula. One of the reasons we drafted overrated BYU QBs. Mike is a pretty conservative, moral man, and for a while there, character was a much bigger issue than winning a football game.

 

Marvin has had to remake this entire loser culture, and you don't make an omlette without breaking some eggs. He has made it clear that the "character" issue applies to the football team -- do your job. He's redefining "character" as something that is reflected in how you play the game, not in how you behave in the off-season. That's why Chris Henry is still hanging around.

 

Yes, considering how sorry this franchise has been for much of the last two decades, this is a message that is needed now. Winning needs to be stressed as it never has been just to eradicate the complacency. And it also plays into his underdog motivation: part of Marvin loves it that the media is feeding off this stuff, like the Bengals are falling apart. He sees himself and the Bengals as underdogs -- he was stupid to take the job in the first place, remember? Then he was stupid for benching Kitna. And now he's losing control of his team, and if Carson comes back, I'm sure there will be lots of commentary about how he's stupid for bringing him back too early.

 

Frankly, I'd be far more worried about this team if things were going along swimmingly. They still have way too much to prove, they better be mad about the way the season ended last year, and they better be hungry for it.

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Frankly, I'd be far more worried about this team if things were going along swimmingly. They still have way too much to prove, they better be mad about the way the season ended last year, and they better be hungry for it.

 

 

preach it brother ... :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

even with all that, i'd still like to see the arrests stop ... :D

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You are forgetting the context.

 

Mike Brown was all about character after the Vickie C. rape charges in Seattle -- one of the things that sent the team into a downward spiral for the next 15 years. One of the reasons he hired Dave Shula. One of the reasons we drafted overrated BYU QBs. Mike is a pretty conservative, moral man, and for a while there, character was a much bigger issue than winning a football game.

 

Marvin has had to remake this entire loser culture, and you don't make an omlette without breaking some eggs. He has made it clear that the "character" issue applies to the football team -- do your job. He's redefining "character" as something that is reflected in how you play the game, not in how you behave in the off-season. That's why Chris Henry is still hanging around.

 

Yes, considering how sorry this franchise has been for much of the last two decades, this is a message that is needed now. Winning needs to be stressed as it never has been just to eradicate the complacency. And it also plays into his underdog motivation: part of Marvin loves it that the media is feeding off this stuff, like the Bengals are falling apart. He sees himself and the Bengals as underdogs -- he was stupid to take the job in the first place, remember? Then he was stupid for benching Kitna. And now he's losing control of his team, and if Carson comes back, I'm sure there will be lots of commentary about how he's stupid for bringing him back too early.

 

Frankly, I'd be far more worried about this team if things were going along swimmingly. They still have way too much to prove, they better be mad about the way the season ended last year, and they better be hungry for it.

 

 

your downplaying the bengals legal troubles a bit too much.. i see where your going with this.. but no, its not okay to have that many arrests. its already is costing the team with thurman out the first 4 games. with palmer still in question for the first few games, the team certainly could not afford to lose a playmaking linebacker just because he is an geezer. thurman and henry are riding themselves out of the league because they are getting into so much trouble. i dont think the great marvin had that in his plans.

 

the team's history of losing is no excuse for that kind of behavior during this turnaround. horrible franchises have turned themselves around in the past without having their guys getting arrested every other week. the bengals are turning into a new kind of disgrace.. not the kind that they were during their losing years.. but a team that lacks class and any kind of obedience.

 

the bengals will always be the sexyles whether they are losing or winning... they just cant get it right. :D

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You are forgetting the context.

 

Mike Brown was all about character after the Vickie C. rape charges in Seattle -- one of the things that sent the team into a downward spiral for the next 15 years. One of the reasons he hired Dave Shula. One of the reasons we drafted overrated BYU QBs. Mike is a pretty conservative, moral man, and for a while there, character was a much bigger issue than winning a football game.

 

Marvin has had to remake this entire loser culture, and you don't make an omlette without breaking some eggs. He has made it clear that the "character" issue applies to the football team -- do your job. He's redefining "character" as something that is reflected in how you play the game, not in how you behave in the off-season. That's why Chris Henry is still hanging around.

 

Yes, considering how sorry this franchise has been for much of the last two decades, this is a message that is needed now. Winning needs to be stressed as it never has been just to eradicate the complacency. And it also plays into his underdog motivation: part of Marvin loves it that the media is feeding off this stuff, like the Bengals are falling apart. He sees himself and the Bengals as underdogs -- he was stupid to take the job in the first place, remember? Then he was stupid for benching Kitna. And now he's losing control of his team, and if Carson comes back, I'm sure there will be lots of commentary about how he's stupid for bringing him back too early.

 

Frankly, I'd be far more worried about this team if things were going along swimmingly. They still have way too much to prove, they better be mad about the way the season ended last year, and they better be hungry for it.

 

Jesus H Christ, Misfit! Get a hold of yourself man! Dont you see? Dont you even have a clue what has happened to you? Look, decade upon decade of having miserable teams; of being synonymous with "loser"; and essentially being the laughing stock of the league is bound to take its toll on a fan base. I point to the moranic Lions fans as "exhibit A". But apparently you Bengal fans are not immune from what I call "Post Traumatic Losing Streak Syndrome" either. It starts each summer with some simple delusions of grandeur and then evolves into a full blown pyschosis of these grandeoise fantasies about your team. It is sad and sickening but there is no cure and all the rest of us fans can do is sit back and point our fingers at you and laugh uncontrollably.

 

This is how far you have regressed as a result of your illness. You actually believe that lack of character equates to a good football team. You made a very cogent arguement that if you have a team full of thugs and criminals, your team has a better chance to win. And if you value character guys, then you team is doomed for cellar dwelling. Quite frankly, I am astonished that you could succumb to such thinking. Whats next? You going to join that church that believes that Dinosaurs lived on earth with men and the earth is only 6000 years old? Snap out of it man, your judgment is clouded over to the point of sheer lunacy. Black is white; white is black; good is bad; bad is good.

 

I agree that Marvin Lewis needed to change the culture and remake the Bengals from argueably the most pathetic moribund franchise in all of professional sports. Yes, change was desperately required in order to root out a culture of a team accustomed to, comfortable with, and expecting to lose. Losing did become an inherent part of the team pysche in Cincinnati. They were known as losers and they were comfortable in that roll. Losing each Sunday brought comfort and relief and it let them know deep down that all was right in the world. But at what price? At what cost? What shreds of integrity are you willing to sacrifice in order to metamophoracize this team from one of dregs on the field, to one of dregs off the field?

 

You are so deluded, yet your words seem so lucid and rational. Is this how a serial killer horribly mutilates bodies while walking around in society without anyone knowing what evil lurks within? You make it sound like Lewis intentionally brought in a bunch of thugs, just so it would be another handicap that he could use as motivation for his team to overcome. If that is the sort of logic tha passes for sanity in Cincy, then I can understand how your fair city created the likes of Marge Schott and Jerry Springer.

 

Nobody is denying that the Bengals have made great strides under the Lewis regime. But lets face it, they had no where to go but up. But to say that the reason they are better is that they brought in an undisciplined criminal element is unfathomable. And to worry when things are going "swimmingly" while clebrating when 5 of your players, one multiple times, get arrested in 3 months, is light years beyond sanity. You are sick Misfit, and you need help. The losing has finally driven you over the edge. So much so that now that your team does have some talent, you believe it is good for the team when players get in trouble. Just keeping it real in the Queen City eh Misfit? Wow, its alot worse than I thought and I can only hope and pray that you seek the services of a qualified mental health care provider immediately. Or at least go talk to a Lions fan so you can see how other losers are profoundly damaged by their own culture of losing.

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Liberals suck blah blah baa-aaaaa

 

 

Get the cotton out of your eyes, spain. I did not say that character guys lose and criminals win. That's only true in politics.

 

We had a RB get busted for coke the night before a Super Bowl, and a third of the team alleged in the gang rape of one woman. Mike Brown did what I woulda done, honestly -- get rid of the scum and make sure nothing like that ever happened again. He just went too far ... his priorities turned to fielding a team of really nice guys that could still turn him a profit. Those priorities put winning football games somewhat lower than it should be for a pro football team.

 

Marvin has already put Thurman in his doghouse, and rumors are rampant that he'll suspend him for the year. Why? Because his behavior was detrimental to the football team, because he was suspended for four games. I think he's drawn a pretty clear line that the police and the courts will deal with the criminal aspect, but he will focus on football. If you hurt the football team, you're toast. And I think, given our history, that's a good place for the focus to be. For the first time in almost two decades, the focus is on winning football games.

 

Chris Henry is a thug, but he's also a guy who can help us win football games. If he goes to jail, and thus is unable to help his football team, he's toast. The last two arrests have dealt with a swagger I've not seen on this team in a long, long time: Parking on the sidewalk and getting drunk on a boat in the Ohio River on a Saturday night during training camp. Hell, I'd like to party with those guys.

 

And yeah, I was thinking of JJ when I wrote that. Five rings? I'd just like one.

 

I did see a t-shirt last night I wish I'd thought of first: WHO DEY ... gonna arrest next?

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Swagger? Swagger is a good thing. But arrest after arrest after drug suspension is not what one would call swagger. That is called thuggery. It clearly shows that this team is composed of non-character guys who are out of control. That glimmer of hope you see on the horizon because of the teams accumulation of talent is NOT swagger, and it will never get you to the promised land because of the lack of character and a profound lack of leadership. Where has this teams leadership been while all of this is occuring? I havent heard a word out of Marvin Lewis, Mike Brown, or any Ben-gals players. They have all been eerily silent as Rome burns. Its just business as usual, regardless of what laws are broken, regardless of public relations, regardless of who gets hurt. Cincinnati is so desperate for a winner that they will sell their very soul, and their integrity, to field a winning team.

 

So, you want to be the next Cowboys? Or the next Ravens? That is the type of swagger you are talking about where character doesnt matter? Where winning is the only thing while murder, robbery, drugs, are all too be ignored in your search for the Holy Grail? Well, at what cost are you willing to sell out? What price are you will to pay to trade your credibility for a trophy? Will the Ben-gals ever draw a line and say enough is enough? Or will they sweep any and all transgressions under the rug a la the Cowboys in their quest for the golden chalis? Is a Superbowl Championship worth the price of a teams integrity? Is it worth it to become known as the next Ravens or Cowboys? Is anything really worth that?

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Will someone please think of the children? :D

 

I am thinking of the kids, spain. This is a fantasy football site, and from all the crap being spewed on the Mickey Mouse Sports Network, an outsider could reasonably conclude that the Bengals are on the verge of imploding, Marvin has lost all control, and decrease their fantasy values accordingly.

 

That would be a big mistake, methinks. The status of Carson Palmer could greatly impact fantasy values of the Bengals. Not this other stuff.

 

We live in a world where Paris Hilton is a role model and the big story this morning is that terrorists were planning to blow up flights in the middle of the air. Yeah, I think a football player getting a boating DUI or parking on the sidewalk is a pretty minor concern.

 

And, as a fan of a multi-billion dollar entertainment industry, my concern is largely with their behavior on the field. I don't boycott Tom Cruise movies because he's a flake who believes a bad science fiction writer is God. Yes, I think Pete Rose should be in the HoF. You yourself, spain, have often commented on inaccuracies in the media. Now you sould like a squishy liberal yourself. Not only should we judge "character" based on biased opinionators spouting off about stuff because they are paid to do so, but failing to punish people before they are prosecuted will result in moral anarchy. Oh, really. You wanna talk to some Duke lacrosse team members about that theory?

 

Here's a story from July 30 about how the players see it. I report. You decide.

 

GEORGETOWN, Ky. - You wanted Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis to deal with the character issue? He has. With the people that matter most.

 

Lewis reminded his players at their first training camp meeting Saturday morning of the good deeds they have done and warned them not to be next in a spate of off-field issues.

 

“What gets lost in that whole shuffle, and is something that Coach Lewis was talking about today, are all the good things that have been going on,” said Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, who could have counted himself. “Rudi Johnson’s charity, Chad and T.J. doing stuff, there’s been a lot of guys doing positive things in the community, and that’s what we need to focus on.

 

“In the past, before these last couple of episodes that have happened, we’ve been a positive team, there’s been a lot of positive things going on around our team. And the whole team has been affected, the guys that have charities, the guys that do things in the community. Everybody gets affected because we’re a part of this team. And I think that the guys realize that, and hopefully we’re done with that and we can move on and concentrate on football."

 

The veterans did the talking Saturday when it came to one of the wildest offseasons in Bengals history: Four players arrested and middle linebacker Odell Thurman, suspended four games for violation of the NFL’s substance abuse policy.

 

The veterans pointed out that two of the players - Frostee Rucker and A.J. Nicholson - weren’t even here last year and only arrived this spring in the draft. The other two, defensive tackle Matthias Askew and wide receiver Chris Henry, are in just their third and second seasons, respectively, and Thurman is a second-year player.

 

“Guys like Chris and Odell, they’ve had their name get run through the media,” Palmer said. “I don’t think it’s a distraction. We have a lot of guys on this team that are leaders, that are veterans, and have been here for a long time. I think these guys have learned their lessons.”

 

Brian Simmons, the ninth-year linebacker, has seen plenty in the Bengals locker room that qualify as distractions. But not this.

 

“It has nothing to do with football. It’s more of a personal issue,” Simmons said. “With those guys, absolutely it will affect them, but will it affect us? I would be surprised if it does.”

 

If not everyone has learned, Lewis pounded it home. Now every Bengal has to wonder if they’re going to be next and take the necessary precautions.

 

“That’s the scary thing,” said Pro Bowl right tackle Willie Anderson, one of those leaders. “What if you’re just minding your business and you get drawn into something?

 

“I think getting back into football is going to help. You get back around the guys, teammates look out for you. That’s kind of what we have to get going. If you’re out, watch your teammates. Watch his back. Don’t get into anything confrontational.”

 

The vets offer to take aside some kids (“As a teammate and friend,” Simmons said), but like Chad Johnson said, “We’re grown. You can’t hold someone’s hand 24-7.”

 

Anderson: “We have to have a hand on it. It’s the players that have to do that. The coaches aren’t in the locker room.”

 

Henry, 23, who has been arrested four times since Dec. 15, chose a low profile as he checked in. Gone are his dreadlocks and his knee injury that iced him all spring.

 

“Everybody is supporting me. It’s going to be good playing ball with my teammates again,” Henry said. “I’m putting everything behind me and just go play ball. I regret a lot of it, but I’m not really trying to get into it.”

 

Nicholson, 23, said Saturday night he gets the sense his felony charges for breaking into a Florida State teammate’s home back in May are going to be dropped.

 

“A lesson learned,” Nicholson said. “I’ve got it in perspective. A lesson learned and you move on.”

 

While there is generally support, there is, as indicated by Palmer, some disbelief and anger, too, because everyone gets dragged down.

 

“I’m a little upset with those guys,” said wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh. “I don’t think a lot of it is big problems, but it's problems. We’ve got good things going and then they bring negative attention to the team. I don’t think it will affect us because they’re all young, but I hope they can get it together because if things don’t go the way we hope they’re going to go, that’s what y’all are going to say is a reason why.”

 

Simmons said the same thing Houshmandzadeh did: No matter what, the NFL isn’t going to miss a play if you’re not here.

 

“To get the opportunity, it’s a kick in the face to the fans,” Anderson said. “It’s a kick in the face to the old-timers who had to work in the offseason.”

 

But there was also some empathy and understanding.

 

If there is anyone who understands that an accusation can be just that, it’s Bengals left tackle Levi Jones.

 

At Houston in 2004 during the Super Bowl, Jones found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time and was arrested in an incident when police were breaking up a crowd. Jones insisted his innocence from the start and the charges were dropped.

 

Jones thinks that sounds familiar in the case of Askew, arrested last week during an incident over his parked car that ended in his arrest in which he was allegedly Tased three times by Cincinnati police.

 

“Only Matthias and the police know what happened,” Jones said. “This stuff isn’t going to affect us. It has nothing to do with what we’re working on down here. For me, I can’t wait to get back on the field.”

 

But the Bengals know the critics have plenty of evidence if they start to lose games.

 

“If we don’t win,” Jones said, “the offseason is going to be the excuse.”

 

Simmons knows it, too.

 

“If we have a great year like we plan on, then this will be put to rest,” Simmons said. “If we don’t, if we lose a game here or there or, God forbid, lose three in a row, this will be the reason.”

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It's a shame because the Bengals are one of the AFC teams I like to root for. Guys like Palmer, CJ, Housh and those awesome corners are exciting to watch. As competitive as the NFL is, and especially the AFC, these distractions are going to kill them. You need 53 disciplined and committed guys, and even then you need a good dose of luck. Thurman's suspension in particular was shocking to me and I don't see them being nearly as successful as last year.

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Love the thread title! :D

 

 

I can't take credit for it. It's actually a recurring bit done by Gary Burbank, an evening drive time jock on The Big One, WLW 700. He's had a lot of material to work with over the years. Of course, when the Bengals were losing, no one outside of Cincy cared (nor should they, of course).

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