FishFreak Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Is Reggie Wayne finally ready to be Peyton Manning's no. 1 WR? Mighty Marvin just doesn't want to slow down but he is turning 34 this year. At some point Marvin has to slow down and pass the baton to Reggie. Is this finally the year Wayne's numbers pass Harrison's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 You know, I personally thought this would have already happened a year or 2 ago, but Harrison hasn't shown many signs of slowing down. Other than a few injuries here and there, he's still very fast and tough to cover. I don't think it speaks negatively on Wayne, it's just that the time hasn't come yet....but it will. The moment Marvin loses a step, he will emerge in big way. With that said...it may NOT be this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Agreed that Marvin has to slow down at some point, but it's probably not going to happen this season. He didn't show any signs of that last year, he's still a lot faster than Reggie, and he runs better routes than anyone else in the league. That said, Reggie's still good for 1,000 yds ad 6-8 TDs because he'll in single-coverage all of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcswildcat Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 i think its gettin close. i really think i would rather take wayne than harrison this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 i think its gettin close. i really think i would rather take wayne than harrison this year. Many people seem close to that this year, esp with Edge gone. I think this year Reggie will have more TD's, similar to 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I think Harrison is still the better WR. but as has been said...Wayne is catching up everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 Interesting feedback. Consider this: Harrison was targeted 132 times last year, Wayne 122 Harrison had 82 receptions last year, Wayne 83 Harrison had 1,146 yards receiving, Wayne 1,055 The gap is closing quickly. The biggest difference is Harrison continues to be a double digit TD machine while Wayne had only 5 TD's last year. I really like Wayne to have a year more like 04 and finally out point Harrison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 if Stokley can stay healthy (big if)....I think he'll repeat 2004 numbers and be the best value of the 3.... him and Kevin Curtis are the only #3's I would ever consider.... Isaac Bruce is so old and I would almost expect him to get hurt...and the Colts running game is so suspect, I expect Manning to have a hugh year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyalboyd Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 if Stokley can stay healthy (big if)....I think he'll repeat 2004 numbers and be the best value of the 3.... him and Kevin Curtis are the only #3's I would ever consider.... Isaac Bruce is so old and I would almost expect him to get hurt...and the Colts running game is so suspect, I expect Manning to have a hugh year... You right he might have to break his own record to get to the Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Interesting feedback. Consider this: Harrison was targeted 132 times last year, Wayne 122 Harrison had 82 receptions last year, Wayne 83 Harrison had 1,146 yards receiving, Wayne 1,055 The gap is closing quickly. The biggest difference is Harrison continues to be a double digit TD machine while Wayne had only 5 TD's last year. I really like Wayne to have a year more like 04 and finally out point Harrison. The main difference here is Harrison done most of his damage while being double teamed. until Wayne starts to get the double teams Harrison will continue to be the teams best WR despite any stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blips Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) I really thought the same thing last year. Wayne had a good 2004 and I really thought I could get a good #1 WR in Wayne a little later in the draft in 2005. But he fell short. In 2005 his production really dropped from 2004 and he did not end up being the #1 WR that I needed on my team. Looking at the numbers it is not like Marvin's numbers changed at all compared to Wayne's. So I don't think Wayne will be better because Harrison is older. What it does look like is James TD's picked up as Wayne's dropped down. Also 2003 is the year the Manning was going for the record for TD's in a season. Reggie Waye..............G.....C..... Y........TD 2003 Indianapolis Colts 16 68 838 7 2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 77 1210 12 2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 83 1055 5 Marvin Harrison 2003 Indianapolis Colts 15 94 1272 10 2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 86 1113 15 2005 Indianapolis Colts 15 82 1146 12 Edgerrin James.............G......R.....Y .......TD 2003 Indianapolis Colts 13 310 1259 11 2004 Indianapolis Colts 16 334 1548 9 2005 Indianapolis Colts 15 360 1506 13 If I recall correctly (I'm sure someone here will shoot me down if I'm wrong) there was some sort of movement in Indy to get James the ball more in the red zone & at the goal line. So that may have hurt Waynes numbers last year. My feelings are with James gone you will see an increase in Wayne's (& Manning's) numbers from last year. I can see him having a year like 2004. I don't see Marvin slowing down at all though. I think you will see Wayne and Harrison be like Boldin and Fitzgerald from AZ. Equal numbers when it is all said and done and both really being #1 quality. (Funny how the two that I'm comparing them to from where the Edge is going. Will their numbers drop because the Edge is there? Hmmmm). Edited August 10, 2006 by blips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Marvin will have more TDs but fewer yards. They are almost a tossup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 if Stokley can stay healthy (big if)....I think he'll repeat 2004 numbers and be the best value of the 3.... him and Kevin Curtis are the only #3's I would ever consider.... Isaac Bruce is so old and I would almost expect him to get hurt...and the Colts running game is so suspect, I expect Manning to have a hugh year... It's funny how everyone (including myself) thinks Peyton is going to put up huge numbers again. On the other hand, his last "off" year was in 2001 when Edge was hurt. A lot of his TD passes come off of play action so the Colts RB's need to produce. If they don't he'll be throwing more and piling up yards, but might have fewer TD passes and more INT's. As for Stokely, there is no way he does 04 numbers again. If he does, Peyton will have to throw 50 TD's or it will be at the expense of Marvin and Wayne. There just isn't enough balls to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Interesting feedback. Consider this: Harrison was targeted 132 times last year, Wayne 122 Harrison had 82 receptions last year, Wayne 83 Harrison had 1,146 yards receiving, Wayne 1,055 The gap is closing quickly. The biggest difference is Harrison continues to be a double digit TD machine while Wayne had only 5 TD's last year. I really like Wayne to have a year more like 04 and finally out point Harrison. It's not "closing quickly"... 2003 MH: 94, 1272 (13.5), 10 TDs RW: 68, 838 (12.3), 7 TDs 2004: MH: 86, 1113 (12.9), 15 TDs RW: 77, 1210 (15.7), 12 TDs 2005: MH: 82, 1146 (14.0), 12 TDs RW: 83, 1055, (12.7), 5 TDs Reggie's numbers took a huge hit last season and it wasn't because Stokley and Clark were stealing all of his balls. Meanwhile, Marvin's numbers didn't change significantly and his yds/rec last season (14.0) were the second-highest of his career. Therefore, I don't see any evidence of him slowing down. He won't be #1 forever, but he's still a lock for 1,100 yds and double-digit TDs this season. I can't say the same for Reggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blips Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 It's funny how everyone (including myself) thinks Peyton is going to put up huge numbers again. On the other hand, his last "off" year was in 2001 when Edge was hurt. A lot of his TD passes come off of play action so the Colts RB's need to produce. If they don't he'll be throwing more and piling up yards, but might have fewer TD passes and more INT's. But what was the defense like in 2001 compared to 2004 & 2005. I would think that the Offense is on the field more now than they were in 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 It's funny how everyone (including myself) thinks Peyton is going to put up huge numbers again. On the other hand, his last "off" year was in 2001 when Edge was hurt. A lot of his TD passes come off of play action so the Colts RB's need to produce. If they don't he'll be throwing more and piling up yards, but might have fewer TD passes and more INT's. As for Stokely, there is no way he does 04 numbers again. If he does, Peyton will have to throw 50 TD's or it will be at the expense of Marvin and Wayne. There just isn't enough balls to go around. Peyton does have the schedule to shoot for the records this year. I mean it is not often you see the best QB in the league get the easiest passing schedule. I predict a monster year from Peyton myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 It's funny how everyone (including myself) thinks Peyton is going to put up huge numbers again. On the other hand, his last "off" year was in 2001 when Edge was hurt. A lot of his TD passes come off of play action so the Colts RB's need to produce. If they don't he'll be throwing more and piling up yards, but might have fewer TD passes and more INT's. As for Stokely, there is no way he does 04 numbers again. If he does, Peyton will have to throw 50 TD's or it will be at the expense of Marvin and Wayne. There just isn't enough balls to go around. with the defense dropping back in coverage more now.....this is his best mismatch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Peyton does have the schedule to shoot for the records this year. I mean it is not often you see the best QB in the league get the easiest passing schedule. I predict a monster year from Peyton myself. I see 10 hugh games from Peyton during a 16 week fantasy season... my playoffs are in week 15 and 16.....he plays Cincy at home in the dome and at Houston where it will likely be indoors as well... he could very well be a fantasy playoff monster this year...unlike previous seasons... you just have to survive the trip to jacksonville in week 14... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I think they will both be very close in production this year. Marvin will probably have a few more TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai30 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Marvin is tier one and Reggie is tier two until they prove otherwise. Or Reggie is tier 1.5. He's a shart. Jerry Rice caught 92 passes at the age of 40. Marvin is 34 and is very Jerry Rice-esque. If you run perfect routes and have soft hands, you can still be dominate even after losing a step. yes....marvin is very jerry-esque like you said. He'll be turning 34 when the season starts...but his 34 is playing at like age 29 or 30. He still has speed, he's fully healthy..his hand and elbow are fine now..unlike last year....and manning will pass more. Marvin could have possibly the best wr stats after this year. Wayne is not even close to marvin yet.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Agreed that Marvin has to slow down at some point, but it's probably not going to happen this season. He didn't show any signs of that last year, he's still a lot faster than Reggie, and he runs better routes than anyone else in the league. That said, Reggie's still good for 1,000 yds ad 6-8 TDs because he'll in single-coverage all of the time. In the meantime, Marvin will be doubled and open 10 yards in every direction on nearly every single play. The guy is just that amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElevensBoys Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 No, it is still Marvin especially with Edge gone. I look for Indy to use more 2-TE formations to protect Manning until Rhodes and/or Addai learn how to pick up blitzes. Remember Pittsburgh was all over Manning in the playoffs and that was with Edge. Look for more teams to do what the Steelers did and watch Dungy counter with one more blocker and/or quick throws to Harrison. Wayne will still get you 8-10 TDs, but look for Harrison to have 12-13 TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I look for Indy to use more 2-TE formations to protect Manning until Rhodes and/or Addai learn how to pick up blitzes. Hmm, is this the early excuse we will hear if Manning doesn't do well? That it's the RB's fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Hmm, is this the early excuse we will hear if Manning doesn't do well? That it's the RB's fault? He sure looked out of sync tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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