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Is anyone else nervous about Carson Palmer?


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Initially reports from Bengal land earlier this summer was that Palmer was a go for opening day. Now, I'm not so sure. Did anyone catch his interview today prior to kickoff? When asked when he would play, he didn't sound too optimistic and basically said we'll see how it goes. He mentioned he has to feel confident about actually taking a hit before he gets back on the field and thought the 3rd pre-season game was a good target date. Considering how serious his injury is and how late it happened last year, I'm getting more worried not just about Palmer but the ripple affect on all Bengals like Chad, TJ and Rudi.

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I'm not nervous about him, I am avoiding him :D

 

 

I agree...I woudlnt touch him...i think the reports that he will be good to go on opening day are nuts....this will be 7.5 months from when he first injured it, and this is an injury that takes other guys in the neighborhood of 12-18 months to be totally right...

 

Maybe, (and a HUGE MAYBE) he is good the second half of the season...

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Not as nervous as I am about Culpepper. Wait, let's not go there again.................

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I agree...I woudlnt touch him...i think the reports that he will be good to go on opening day are nuts....this will be 7.5 months from when he first injured it, and this is an injury that takes other guys in the neighborhood of 12-18 months to be totally right...

 

Maybe, (and a HUGE MAYBE) he is good the second half of the season...

 

 

Let's assume you're right. Then why are all the projections fairly agressive on the rest of the Bengal players (Chad, TJ and Rudi)?

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Not nervous at all, everything i've seen outta camp is he's ahead of schedule.

 

He's moving well, making cuts, drop backs, roll outs. With a month till the season, i don't see him playing but one preseason game and just keeping himself fresh and using practice to adjust his timing with Chad and the others.

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I posted this earlier, but a Bengal beat writer was on our local sports radio the other day. He was adamant that he didn't think Palmer would be ready to start until AFTER the bye week, which I think is week 5. Cinn homers may have another opinion but this dude was seeing Palmer daily in camp.

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He is my keeper QB, but I am planning on drafting a solid veteran for the first few weeks of the season.

 

If I didn't already have him I might avoid. On the other hand he might be a devalued pick in or around round 5.

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I can see Palmer not hitting the field until after the bye. Palmer himself has already acknowledged that the biggest hurdle for him to clear will be mental. There is just something about getting out there after that type of injury, and throwing your body around or having bodies thrown at you.

 

I think that Palmer will "disappoint" this year, based on expectations from last years performance. I can see him having 20-25 TDs, but being gunshy in the pocket, resulting in 15-20 ints.

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I think the key question is how it affects the other offensive players. I haven't seen Chad downgraded, but there has to be a dropoff if Palmer is out for 5 weeks and less than 100% after he comes back.

 

I had Chad as my #2 WR but I may have to move him down. If the passing game suffers, will Rudi be called on more often? If so I think you have to move him up.

 

I would be interested to hear what others think about this.

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Here's the thing: I think the coaches are solidly on the conservative side, wanting to protect the franchise QB. It's Carson who's pushing it. It's Carson who has pushed for more reps in practice. It's Carson who lobbied to get up to 80 percent of the snaps, or doing the morning 7-on-7s during two-a-days.

 

Here's a little tidbit from bengals.com to illustrate my point. Carson wanted more scramble drills. So, he got them. Guess who flushed him out?

 

Carson Palmer likes that new scramble drill the coaches have put in this camp. On Thursday, former Idaho State linebacker Marvin Lewis put his hand down and rushed to flush Palmer to his left and to his right a couple of times before throwing it.

 

“You can tell Coach Lewis didn’t play much football in his day. Either that or he’s getting old,” Palmer joked. “Because he’s kind of limping around. If I can outrun him and I’ve got one leg, then that doesn’t say a whole lot abut his athleticism.”

 

But Palmer is glad Lewis put the drill in, noting that 40 percent of passes come out of the pocket and that many times touchdowns are produced throwing on the run because of coverage breakdowns.

 

All I know is, right now, Carson is being treated in practice as if he will be the starter on Sept. 10 -- but that's because it's what Carson has insisted will happen. Anthony Wright looked horrible tonight. If he's gonna start the season, he needs some serious reps with the offense, and now. We may get a better idea this week if that's going to happen.

 

My point being, one possible scenario of Carson talking all this stuff about his fears of being ready on time may be somewhat playing to the coaching staff and the team -- because, his behavior certainly is nothing like his talk.

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No way is he ready by Week 1. I just don't see it. Edge was the fastest I've seen come back from a torn ACL. Blew it out in late October. Was ready the following September. That's a little over 10 months. And he was a shadow of his former self. Didn't even get 1000 yards that year.

 

Different position, I know, but it's been less than 8 months for Carson. And he had more damage.

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Let's assume you're right. Then why are all the projections fairly agressive on the rest of the Bengal players (Chad, TJ and Rudi)?

 

 

Because those guys were all star players before Carson's breakout year last year...I would have felt comfortable drafting anyone of those guys two years ago before Carson came along, and would now...

 

they all have great talent, they all will get their's regardless of who is at QB...yes they may not be as good as they would be with a healthy Carson, but still all three will put up solid #'s...

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No way is he ready by Week 1. I just don't see it. Edge was the fastest I've seen come back from a torn ACL. Blew it out in late October. Was ready the following September. That's a little over 10 months. And he was a shadow of his former self. Didn't even get 1000 yards that year.

 

Different position, I know, but it's been less than 8 months for Carson. And he had more damage.

 

 

Thats a good point...i remember that injury...UGLY...and youre right, he was not himself the next year...

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No way is he ready by Week 1. I just don't see it. Edge was the fastest I've seen come back from a torn ACL. Blew it out in late October. Was ready the following September. That's a little over 10 months. And he was a shadow of his former self. Didn't even get 1000 yards that year.

 

Different position, I know, but it's been less than 8 months for Carson. And he had more damage.

 

IIRC, Rice did it in-season. And promptly had a different injury on the same knee.

 

But with Palmer, all he need to be able to do is drop back and move a little in the pocket, and not have the knee affect his throwing motion. Not as much cutting and having to drive the legs.

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Still Anthony Wright makes me shudder.

 

 

I hear ya....

 

Think of it two ways....is Wright going to bring down Rudi, CJ, and TJ down to his level, or are those three going to pull up Wright to their level...

 

I say it is a little of both, more slanted toward the QB improving because of the talent around him, with the three studs bringing up the below average QB to an average and servicable QB....

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This is one time I have to say I don't care about the Fantasy Football worth of Carson Palmer.

 

He's a good kid and is tremedously talented. If he can't get his mindset back and jump that hurdle to not get nervous in the pocket his career is over.

 

Maybe his leg is completely healed, but it will take him a LOT longer to be able to face the rush of teams like Pittsburgh and not rush a pass and get worried about hurting the leg again.

 

He is a tremedous talent and is the future of the league, I don't want to see him have to leave the game because he can't leap the mental hurdle.

 

I don't care about his value in fantasy, I just want to see him on the field again.

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I've already traded for him in one keeper league and am trying to get him in another. He may miss a game or two at the start of the season, but, in the long run, he's going to be special IMO. His value is as low now as its probably ever going to be.

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No way is he ready by Week 1. I just don't see it. Edge was the fastest I've seen come back from a torn ACL. Blew it out in late October. Was ready the following September. That's a little over 10 months. And he was a shadow of his former self. Didn't even get 1000 yards that year.

 

Different position, I know, but it's been less than 8 months for Carson. And he had more damage.

 

 

 

And didn't Palmer tear 3 ligaments, not just the ACL?

 

McAllister and Culpepper are in the same boat in terms of my cheat sheet...they are not on it. These guys will struggle to perform at the level they have in the past during this season.

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And didn't Palmer tear 3 ligaments, not just the ACL?

 

I thought that it was just two, but I could be wrong.

 

While one can't compare how a pocket-passer QB will respond to a knee ligament tear to how a halfback or WR will, I seriously doubt that Palmer sees much action over the first few weeks. He tore those ligaments in January. He'll be effective, but his mobility will be limited and he won't be the same guy as last season. In other words, 4,000 yds and 30 TDs is a pipe dream. I'm thinking more like 3,000 and 22.

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And didn't Palmer tear 3 ligaments, not just the ACL?

 

McAllister and Culpepper are in the same boat in terms of my cheat sheet...they are not on it. These guys will struggle to perform at the level they have in the past during this season.

 

 

I think it was just two. But he also dislocated his kneecap or something like that.

 

Your're right about Deuce. My sixteen hours of research on McAllister's body structure confirms it.

 

 

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I am very sadly opting not to draft Palmer as I am almost certain his performance will slip down to about 25 TD's or less with concern about his knee in the back of his mind the entire time he's out on the field...

 

he can't play worried or scared about the contact to his knee...

 

I was pulling for him...but it's too close to draft day to think about taking him...

 

someone else can draft him....I'll take someone like Delhomme...

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