i_am_the_swammi Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Thought this was a great read, as I have had this internal argument over and over. From Chris Harris, "noted" FF columnist: The Verdict It would be so easy not to give my preferred order for these fantasy QBs, but then I wouldn't have the pleasure of hundreds of hate e-mails. So here's my solution to this particular Draft Day Dilemma, followed by my reasoning (such as it is): 2. Brady 3. Hasselbeck 4. McNabb 5. Palmer 6. E. Manning The last shall be first; I'm coming right out and admitting that Eli Manning makes me squirm like I've got something wet and squishy in my drawers. Many (including at least two experts on this very site) would tell you Manning deserves top-five status, but I can't see it, not just yet. I do smell at least a small fantasy regression this season, despite the fact that I think the Giants can be very good in the won-loss column. Burress quit on his teammates toward the end of last year, and that's never good. Shockey talks too much. Tiki Barber is a manimal, but I think Manning's inaccuracy gets the best of him too often in '06. He'll be very good, and offers a huge-upside explosiveness that someone like, say, Brady probably doesn't offer. But his downside is prodigious. Next comes Palmer. It breaks my heart. He came such a long way in '05 (from an actually-so-awful-we-barely-remember-it '04), but the skeptic in me (wait, the skeptic is me) says the Bengals are overstating Palmer's miraculous healing powers. We'll all watch him in the preseason, we'll judge and worry over his every step and twinge, and there's actually a decent chance Palmer starts the season's first game. But I don't think he's his old self until halfway through the campaign. Rating him No. 5 is kind of a compromise; he'll start slow and end big. Is it controversial that McNabb comes next? It's high, I know. But as it developed last season, I like Andy Reid's offense for a QB very, very much. For a full six weeks, the media had a field day telling America that Reid simply wasn't going to get away with rushing the ball so infrequently that it would eventually catch up with the team. What the football world failed to realize was that in Reid's latter-day system (no Mormon joke intended), the three-yard dump to Brian Westbrook basically is a run, except that it has the benefit (to McNabb owners) of counting as a pass. I expect a lot of that this year, I expect Reggie Brown to be better than advertised, and I expect McNabb to be fully healthy and to realize that he's got to rush more to be effective. The final choice, for me, is between Brady and Hasselbeck. Over the last two seasons (one in which Corey Dillon was a monster, and one in which he was grossly ineffective), Brady has outdone Hasselbeck probably primarily because Shaun Alexander is such an amazing, once-in-a-generation fantasy rusher. With a lesser back (or, rather, with a back without such an amazing nose for the end zone), I'd imagine that Hasselbeck's TD numbers would exceed Brady's on a regular basis. And with his new-found conservative, intelligent play in '05 (witness the nine picks), it's clear Hasselbeck's got it in him to challenge Tom Terrific. But it still has to be Brady. He's just a rock out there. Having owned him a few times over the past seasons, I have to say that Brady is almost as much a comfort as Peyton Manning; he plays smart, he rarely turns in a pitiful, fantasy-killing game, and the Pats seem willing to throw as much as any offense in football, especially if and when their defense bends. It's close, but I'm taking Brady second. Christopher Harris is a Fantasy Sports Writers Association award-winning columnist and beagle-owner who has written about fantasy sports for SportsIllustrated.com, NBA.com, and TalentedMrRoto.com. "" http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/ne...gue=fantasy/nfl I had it: 2.Brady 3. Hasselbeck 4.Bulger 5. Palmer 6. McNabb 7. Delhomme 8. E. Manning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 He ranks Brady #2? How controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smrt Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) I had it: 2.Brady 3. Hasselbeck 4.Bulger 5. Palmer 6. McNabb 7. Delhomme 8. E. Manning I'd agree with you putting Buldger at 4, as with anyone if he stays healthy he'll be a early/mid second tier QB again. He should put up the slightly better numbers as McNabb. And with him not throwing the ball 40+ times which he did in 4 of the 7 games he played last year. He also got sacked 15 times in those 4 games (although 7 were vs SF you get the point). Edited August 15, 2006 by smrt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 2. Brady 3. Bulger 4. Mcnabb 5. E Manning 6. Delhomme 7. Palmer - the latest news frightens me 8. Hasselbeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 2. Brady 3. Bulger 4. Mcnabb 5. E Manning 6. Delhomme 7. Palmer - the latest news frightens me 8. Hasselbeck Four posts, four votes for McNabb as a top 5-6 QB. And all this without anyone to throw the ball to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I'd agree with you putting Buldger at 4, as with anyone if he stays healthy he'll be a early/mid second tier QB again. He should put up the slightly better numbers as McNabb. And with him not throwing the ball 40+ times which he did in 4 of the 7 games he played last year. He also got sacked 15 times in those 4 games (although 7 were vs SF you get the point). from all i've read, what got bulger killed were those 5-7 step drops that the rams' bad OL couldn't sustain for long, and always led to bulger either getting crushed or throwing it away...usually getting crushed. apparently linehan has eliminated those long drop-backs, added in more quick drops, hence giving him (and the OL) less time to get nailed...hence, he might stay healthier all season...hence his value might go up. we'll see if what works in theory translates on the field, but it's nice to see that linehan identified a major martz-related paoblem last year and fixed it to keep one the team's biggest assets healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 from all i've read, what got bulger killed were those 5-7 step drops that the rams' bad OL couldn't sustain for long, and always led to bulger either getting crushed or throwing it away...usually getting crushed. apparently linehan has eliminated those long drop-backs, added in more quick drops, hence giving him (and the OL) less time to get nailed...hence, he might stay healthier all season...hence his value might go up. we'll see if what works in theory translates on the field, but it's nice to see that linehan identified a major martz-related paoblem last year and fixed it to keep one the team's biggest assets healthy. the Rams were at their best when Warner did his 3 step drops and threw the ball to the WR's in stride... Bulger's arm is much stronger so I guess they wanted to take a more downfield approach and they did the 3 step drop for Warner because his arm was so-so... maybe they should go back to the 3 step drop because the OL isn't very good.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) okay call me drunk but i have Philip Rivers in the top 10 this year #8 - i know let it all fly, i have been called worst we shall see Edited August 15, 2006 by MustOfBeenDrunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 okay call me drunk but i have Phillips in the top 10 this year #8 - i know let it all fly, i have been called worst we shall see Lawrence? Bum? MacKenzie? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Lawrence? Bum? MacKenzie? sorry Mr. Rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 okay call me drunk but i have Phillips in the top 10 this year #8 - i know let it all fly, i have been called worst we shall see top 10 is a bit much... I am struggling with the idea of putting him in my top 15 in a keeper... he might be my 14th ranked QB there... but then again I would put him ahead of warner, Bledsoe, Brunell, Brooks, TGreen, McNair, Plummer and Brees in a keeper.... so where does that place him?...(note: I am doing this on the fly and I have a feeling I am about to contradict myself ) 1. PManning 2. Brady 3. Palmer 4. E Manning 5. McNabb 6. Bulger 7. Delhomme 8. Hasselbeck 9. Vick 10. Culpepper 11. Rivers top 15 is about right....but the fact that I have him just outside the top 10 is a little wild to me because he hasn't started yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) top 10 is a bit much... I am struggling with the idea of putting him in my top 15 in a keeper... he might be my 14th ranked QB there... but then again I would put him ahead of warner, Bledsoe, Brunell, Brooks, TGreen, McNair, Plummer and Brees in a keeper.... so where does that place him?...(note: I am doing this on the fly and I have a feeling I am about to contradict myself ) 1. PManning 2. Brady 3. Palmer 4. E Manning 5. McNabb 6. Bulger 7. Delhomme 8. Hasselbeck 9. Vick 10. Culpepper 11. Rivers top 15 is about right....but the fact that I have him just outside the top 10 is a little wild to me because he hasn't started yet... How in the world are you all leaving out Bledsoe (I think he's going to rock this year)! Bledsoe played a full 16 games last year with a porous line half the year and basically just Terry Glenn and threw for over 3,600 yds 23 TDs rushed for another 50 yds and 2 rushing TDs. Now he has TO, a better line which also means Witten won't have to block as much along with the additions of Hannam and Fasano. Other guys that shold be mentioned Trent Green, Favre (if your league does have -2 for ints.), Plummer, and I also think Brees is going to have a very solid year with all the weapons he has at his disposal. Edited August 15, 2006 by irish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 How in the world are you all leaving out Bledsoe (I think he's going to rock this year)! Other guys that shold be mentioned Trent Green, Favre (if your league does have -2 for ints.), Plummer, and I also think Brees is going to have a very solid year with all the weapons he has at his disposal. you leave out Bledsoe because last year was his wonder year not to be repeted. i would also toss vic out of the top 10 and Culpepper ( i love the guy see my avitar ) just is not going to produce this year in Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 How in the world are you all leaving out Bledsoe (I think he's going to rock this year)! Bledsoe played a full 16 games last year with a porous line half the year and basically just Terry Glenn and threw for over 3,600 yds 23 TDs rushed for another 50 yds and 2 rushing TDs. Now he has TO, a better line which also means Witten won't have to block as much along with the additions of Hannam and Fasano. Other guys that shold be mentioned Trent Green, Favre (if your league does have -2 for ints.), Plummer, and I also think Brees is going to have a very solid year with all the weapons he has at his disposal. these are keeper rankings... I don't know if Bledose is even going to be in the NFL next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 these are keeper rankings... I don't know if Bledose is even going to be in the NFL next year... I missed the whole Keeper topic, however for those of you redrafting let Bledsoe fall and you'll have yourself a nice diamond in the rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 my top 10 Payton Manning Brady McNabb Delhomme Palmer Hasselbeck Manning Rivers Bulger Brees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I missed the whole Keeper topic, however for those of you redrafting let Bledsoe fall and you'll have yourself a nice diamond in the rough. I concur...he's in my top 10 this year.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) To answer the question, P Manning is thew 2nd best FF keeper QB, right behind Palmer. If you want to make a very low key FF genius play & your keepers are deep enough, towards the trading deadline this season, add DEN QB Jay Cutler to your roster. Locals here are gushing over him & for good reason - the kid is already showing he's the real deal. He got great college experience fitting throws into tight windows @ Vandy vs SEC Ds that were far superior to his WRS and that has carried right over into the tight windows that the pros have. There isn't a throw he can't make & he has a cannon for an arm. The kid makes some damn fine reads & throws, and is getting good experience against some pretty good DBs in DEN in practice. The vets respect him big-time already. The kid is ready to play right now, but will have to bide his time behind Plummer this year - for good reason and much more to Cutler's benefit. He'll also have Javon Walker, most likely Rod Smith, and a suddenly deep WR corps to throw to next year as well as TE Tony Scheffler, who also looks like the real deal. He ought to come very cheaply in trades, or even be on the WW unless the league is large and/or deep. He's already entrenched as the #2 QB - he'd be a good guy in a keeper league to have hanging at the end of your roster this year in case Plummer were to get hurt, which would let the cat out of the bag. Edited August 15, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 To answer the question, P Manning is thew 2nd best FF keeper QB, right behind Palmer. I would have said that a week ago...my confidence has been shaken in him....... I think that will subside, though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I don't see how Hasselbeck is ranked #3. Talent-wise I won't argue, but SEA is going to feature the run and Hass' opportunies are going to be limited.... especially in the 3rd and 4th quarters against the Cardinals, Rams, and Niners. I'd definitely put Eli, Delhomme, and maybe even McNabb in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABearWithFurniture Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 This is so easy...Peyton Manning is the #2 QB, no doubt about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 This is so easy...Peyton Manning is the #2 QB, no doubt about it... That's exactly what I was thinking...IMO a real argument could be made for Brady being #1 with P Manning 1A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 That's exactly what I was thinking...IMO a real argument could be made for Brady being #1 with P Manning 1A. talent wise yes but FF this year ? doesn't Branch not signing scare you enough to rank Payton #1 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 talent wise yes but FF this year ? doesn't Branch not signing scare you enough to rank Payton #1 ? No, the Branch situation doesn't scare me. I see big numbers this year because of it. Branch will get hurt because of his hold out. The 3 receivers are then Troy Brown, Reche Caldwell and Chad Jackson. All serviceable though not spectacular, exactly what they've had every year since they started winning SBs. They also have one of the best TE tandems in the NFL with Watson and Graham. And plenty of backs that can catch the ball. Besides, the conversation was about a keeper perspective, not just this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Besides, the conversation was about a keeper perspective, not just this year. my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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