Moss is upset and the season hasn't even started!

[samurai30]

After making his only catch against second-team cornerback Dovonte Edwards in the second quarter, Moss was pulled. Moss stormed off the field and threw his helmet in disgust, stewing on the bench for the rest of the game.

 

"I was just more ticked because I've never in my career been taken out of a game, preseason, during a drive," Moss said with a puzzled tone. "It's funny to me. I don't call the shots. I guess I just go back to the drawing board."

 

That's a good plan for the entire Raiders offense.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20060814016&prov=ap

 

Looks like the raiders aren't taking too well to "Shell part II"....Porter wants out.....Moss is pissed....Gallery is a bust...the entire Oline sucks....Lamont will have troubles........downgrade all raiders...a bit after these past 2 weeks...

[jjpro11]

well i have already moved lamont way down my draft board because oakland will never be playing with a lead.. i thought moss had a good chance to bounce back this year and put up big numbers... maybe its time to move him down a few pegs also. he didnt look the least bit into the game when they showed him on the sidelines. he wasnt even talking to his teammates from what i saw. he's been acting that way ever since he got to oakland.

[piratesownninjas]

Yes, move Moss out of your rankings all together, then invite me to join your league.

[samurai30]

Yes, move Moss out of your rankings all together, then invite me to join your league.

 

 

Love the sarcasm hehe. Nothing wrong with having moss move down the rankings a bit..but not too far. A wr is a product of his qb..and well...brooks is way past his prime...heck..did he even have one? Walters is going to playing soon. Too much uncertainty at qb...which really hurts moss. And since the oline is very suspect..that really dampens all of the position players....such as lamont.

 

I think moss has that mystique attached to his name still. I personally think moss's skillz are diminishing...it seems like when ever he catches the ball..he tends to fall down or dive out of bounds..instead of making a play on the field. he's a borderline #1 now...

Edited August 15, 2006 by samurai30

[kpholmes]

You would be pissed too if you were one of the greatest recievers in the NFL and your QB publicly states that he's not going to try to get you the ball every play. Come on man, did you hear all that garbage Brooks was saying? Basically he said it was unreasonable for Moss to want a look every play because thats not how football works. Aaron Brooks is the problem here.

Moss has done nothing but work his tail off to try and pull this offense together during training camp. That team needed a leader to step up and it sure as hell wasn't going to be Aaron Brooks. Moss stepped up and pushed everything that Shell said. After this offseason I have so much more respect for Moss as a player.

If you watch the game they show several clips of Moss on the sideline calmly trying to explain to Brooks he needs to get him the ball and Brooks just stands there nodding his head. Then Suzy (or Michelle) starts talking to Brooks once he's off the field, and he again starts talking about how its unreasonable for Randy to want the ball every play.

 

Randy wants to help the team. He knows the only way he can do that is with the ball in his hands. I'm sorry, if you have Randy Moss on your team, there is no reason not to try and get him the ball every passing play of the game.

 

Aaron Brooks is on his way out before he even got in.

Edited August 15, 2006 by kpholmes

[MustOfBeenDrunk]

was it brooks or the O line ?

[Big Score 1]

Basically he said it was unreasonable for Moss to want a look every play because thats not how football works. Aaron Brooks is the problem here.

 

I don't understand the crticism here?

It is unreasonable for Moss to expect a look every play. That is not how Football works.

What Brooks said is true.

[i_am_the_swammi]

I don't understand the crticism here?

It is unreasonable for Moss to expect a look every play. That is not how Football works.

What Brooks said is true.

 

 

I agree with you. I wonder how it makes all the other players feel when Randy is screaming that he wants a look every play. I am sure they are pissed at the inference that they should be 2nd option ON EVERY play to King Moss.

 

I never liked Aaron Brooks, but I feel bad for the guy...trying to come in and lead an offense, and already is on pins and needles...trying to execute a new game plan, acclimate himself to a new team and offense, the media all over him, Kerry Collins right behind him, and he has his #1 WR getting in his face.

 

And the pre-season is two weeks old.

 

No wonder Porter wants out. No wonder this team has no chemistry. No wonder this team will be lucky to survive, in tact, for more than the inevitable 2-5 start that is ahead of them.

 

Like T.O, dumping Moss would be addition by subtraction. He is not the league's biggest dope , but he is very close.

Edited August 15, 2006 by i_am_the_swammi

[muck]

Ok...you're BJ Armstrong dribbling down the court, and you decide that it'd be in the teams best interest for you to look for Bill Cartwright before even looking to see if Michael Jordan is open.

 

Ok...you're Aaron Brooks standing in the pocket, and you decide that it'd be in the teams best interest for you to look for Courtney Anderson before even looking to see if Randy Moss is open.

[i_am_the_swammi]

Ok...you're BJ Armstrong dribbling down the court, and you decide that it'd be in the teams best interest for you to look for Bill Cartwright before even looking to see if Michael Jordan is open.

 

 

 

Yes, but Jordan would never call his point guard out publically 2 weeks into preseason for not getting him the ball on every play. Jordan would be a team-guy, and let the point adjust to his new team after just 2 weeks on the job. Jordan would have enough discretion, to perhaps talk to the player privately, express that he is THE man, and whenever possible, get him the ball.

 

No one would argue that Moss shouldn't be the first option on 95% of pass-plays called. He is a great weapon. But because he draws double-coverage, it leaves guys like Porter, Gabriel, etc. in single coverage, and more likely to "appear" open. And I am sure Brooks, mindful of throwing INTs, insn't excited about the pressure of having to throw into double-coverage every time he wants to go to Moss.

 

The difference is handling the situation with class. Take a guess which player, Jordan or Moss, has some?

[wirehairman]

Yes, but Jordan would never call his point guard out publically 2 weeks into preseason for not getting him the ball on every play. Jordan would be a team-guy, and let the point adjust to his new team after just 2 weeks on the job. Jordan would have enough discretion, to perhaps talk to the player privately, express that he is THE man, and whenever possible, get him the ball.

 

No one would argue that Moss shouldn't be the first option on 95% of pass-plays called. He is a great weapon. But because he draws double-coverage, it leaves guys like Porter, Gabriel, etc. in single coverage, and more likely to "appear" open. And I am sure Brooks, mindful of throwing INTs, insn't excited about the pressure of having to throw into double-coverage every time he wants to go to Moss.

 

The difference is handling the situation with class. Take a guess which player, Jordan or Moss, has some?

 

 

Jordan was never a team player and called for the ball openly and publicly on a regular basis. Moss has the same drive to win as Jordan did and feels putting the ball in his hands is the best way to do just that.

 

Also, I hate to defend Moss, but it did look like Brooks missed some opportunities where Moss was pretty open.

[Bill Swerski]

You would be pissed too if you were one of the greatest recievers in the NFL and your QB publicly states that he's not going to try to get you the ball every play. Come on man, did you hear all that garbage Brooks was saying? Basically he said it was unreasonable for Moss to want a look every play because thats not how football works. Aaron Brooks is the problem here.

 

Bullsh!t. Moss is the problem here. Why the hell should Brooks target Randy on every play? Is he supposed to force the ball into triple coverage to keep Randy happy? And why is it OK for Moss to throw Brooks under the bus by telling the press that Walter should be behind center? And I suppose that it's OK for Randy to show up Brooks by throwing a temper tantrum on the field? Moss is a cancer with a history of selfish, childish behavior. That's why the Vikings traded him.

 

I'm glad that I didn't draft Moss, Jordan, or anybody else on the Raiders offense this year. The entire first-string unit looked really bad last night.

Edited August 15, 2006 by Bill Swerski

[major-tom]

Jordan was never a team player...

 

 

Sometimes being a team player means knowing you are the best option to score or having to defend the other teams best scorer. If John Paxton or Steve Kerr were open to make a big three and the defenders were all over Jordan he usually found them. Sorry, but that was a ridiculous statement.

[The Misfit]

Um, getting back to the original point ...

 

So, whether you see the problem as the inadequacy of Brooks as a QB, or the selfishness of Moss, or the lack of chemistry and the entire team self-destructing ... most everyone agrees it's probably wise to move Moss down a few notches, right? I think now he's a tier II WR, tops.

[The Wolf]

You would be pissed too if you were one of the greatest recievers in the NFL and your QB publicly states that he's not going to try to get you the ball every play. Come on man, did you hear all that garbage Brooks was saying? Basically he said it was unreasonable for Moss to want a look every play because thats not how football works. Aaron Brooks is the problem here.

Moss has done nothing but work his tail off to try and pull this offense together during training camp. That team needed a leader to step up and it sure as hell wasn't going to be Aaron Brooks. Moss stepped up and pushed everything that Shell said. After this offseason I have so much more respect for Moss as a player.

If you watch the game they show several clips of Moss on the sideline calmly trying to explain to Brooks he needs to get him the ball and Brooks just stands there nodding his head. Then Suzy (or Michelle) starts talking to Brooks once he's off the field, and he again starts talking about how its unreasonable for Randy to want the ball every play.

 

Randy wants to help the team. He knows the only way he can do that is with the ball in his hands. I'm sorry, if you have Randy Moss on your team, there is no reason not to try and get him the ball every passing play of the game.

 

Aaron Brooks is on his way out before he even got in.

 

 

Couldn't agree more. If I were Moss, I'd have been pissed off from the moment Brooks' name was even rumored to come to Oakland. I know AW has looked good thus far, but it is preseason and how many rookie QB's help a WR put up spectacular FF numbers? Either way, Moss may be in for a long season.

[Capt. Stanky]

Did I miss something? When did Moss complain about not getting the ball this preseason? Moss does have a history of moping and not giving his all, but all indications this offseason is that he's rededicated himself to the game. ABrooks is not a leader, and he'd probably be the first one to tell you that. He's more concerned with his stats and how much money it can make him than W's. His second year starting he showed what kind of player he was.

 

I don't remember who the opponent was, but Brooks was asked to throw a hail mary at the end of the half in a game they were losing by at least 2 TD's. He flat out refused to do it concerned about throwing an INT. Hasslet had to put in the backup to do it. That is the point where Hasslet lost his team. He should have benched Brooks for good at that point. It has been proven that you can't win with ABrooks as your QB. I guess Al Davis didn't get that memo

Edited August 15, 2006 by Capt. Stanky

[Bill Swerski]

It has been proven that you can't win with ABrooks as your QB. I guess Al Davis didn't get that memo

 

 

Al Davis has missed A LOT of memos recently.

[RokoMotion]

Oftentimes, we sports fans can be very hypocritical. We praise the superstars who "put the team on their back and carry the team in times of distress." Steve Smith caught untold amounts of passes last year, to the detriment of the stats of all other Carolina WRs. We praised him for single-handedly carrying a team with below average wide receivers (Keary Colbert? Drew Carter...at least before the 2nd half of the season). We praise Jim Brown for rushing for huge amounts of yardage against stacked fronts, or Ladainian Tomlinson getting the ball 6 plays in a row when the defense knows he coming. We praise a great pitcher for demanding that he start on three days rest, though the pitcher he's replacing is very good himself.

 

Sometimes, when a team needs it, it's up to a superstar to carry the team on his back. I see Randy Moss trying to do that. He knows Oakland's offense sucks, and obviously throwing to the other receivers when they're "single-covered" isn't working. He wants to fix things. He wants to have some control over it. I don't blame him for wanting the ball. For years, we fantasy football owners praised Randy Moss for busting loose on a 60 yard bomb against triple coverage. When did we question the throw? Did we condemn Moss for wanting the ball then? No...because they were winning.

 

The truth is that the Oakland offense has tried running the ball. They've tried leaning on their other receivers. The only thing they haven't done is passed it to Moss. I don't blame him for getting impatient. He makes for a great decoy - but sometimes a superstar has to be given the opportunity to TRY to put a team on his back.

 

As a Saints Fan, I will be the first to tell you that Aaron Brooks sucks. Good for the best player on the team to come out and say it...they need to start winning now - not be polite.

[Randall]

You would be pissed too if you were one of the greatest recievers in the NFL and your QB publicly states that he's not going to try to get you the ball every play. Come on man, did you hear all that garbage Brooks was saying? Basically he said it was unreasonable for Moss to want a look every play because thats not how football works. Aaron Brooks is the problem here.

 

 

 

 

I love to see the Raiders in troible.

 

I think the Raiders should ask Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs fans for a little love and sympathy.

 

Did you notice how Brooks was all smiles behind Shell after Walter threw that pick?

 

I'm sure Shell has seen it.

[The Wolf]

The only thing they haven't done is passed it to Moss.

 

I can't argue with that statement...unless there is a locatable stat that mentions how many times he was targeted last year as compared to other WRs.

[RokoMotion]

http://www.thehuddle.com/stats/2005/std-targetwr04.php

 

Moss was targeted 25th most in the NFL with 124 attempts. That is hardly worthy of his status. He is surrounded by receivers like Terry Glenn and Eddie Kennison.

[Def.]

Moss - Thrown to 124 caught 60...thats 48.4%, even Randle El had better %.

Edited August 15, 2006 by Def.

[The Vatican Hitsquad]

http://www.thehuddle.com/stats/2005/std-targetwr04.php

 

Moss was targeted 25th most in the NFL with 124 attempts. That is hardly worthy of his status. He is surrounded by receivers like Terry Glenn and Eddie Kennison.

Hard to target a WR who was hurt most of the season.

[major-tom]

Moss - Thrown to 124 caught 60

 

If Moss can stay healthy and behave himself he'll get plenty of looks. That said, he and other Raiders are on my avoid list and must fall in the draft for consideration.

[muck]

http://www.thehuddle.com/stats/2005/std-targetwr04.php

 

Moss was targeted 25th most in the NFL with 124 attempts. That is hardly worthy of his status. He is surrounded by receivers like Terry Glenn and Eddie Kennison.

 

He was hurt last year ... lets say the slowed down RM was equivalent to being healthy for 12 games and missing 4 ... which would mean that he had 124 targets in 12 games equals about 10.3 targets / game ... or 161 for the year ... two less than Chad Johnson and one more than Larry Fitzgerald.

 

But, that was under the old regime with a different system.

 

PS - Aaron Brooks knew how to get Joe Horn some pretty good stats. I'm wondering why it doesn't seem like that has transferred to OAK?