keggerz Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 1st let me state that my only redraft leagues are A) done or into the hope and a prayer players(32 homers) so after the Big 3 what do you look for in a RB? are you looking for UPSIDE: Ronnie Brown, SJax, Caddy to name a few Higher Potential Vets: Barber or Edge? Consistency: Rudi Johnson or Jordan Injury Concerns with Upside: Westbrook or now Portis does your selection effect your draft strategy? a good argument can be made for almost any of the above named backs to be taken as high as #4 so with that said there are the top 3 then the other 9 RBs I listed sot he questions i have are: 1. who do you pull the trigger on at #4 and why 2. if you were drafting at 10 or later which of those guys makes you giddy that they fell(cant be the same person you would take at #4) 3. how does who you take as your #1 RB effect the rest of your draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I still take Portis. Hearing scuttlebutt that it's only a Grade 1 Seperation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustOfBeenDrunk Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Tiki i know he is getting older but not much has changed in NY and he doesn't seem to be slowing down any - as a mater of fact he seems to be improving. a safer bet than most this year IMO after Tiki i think SJ has the best chance of improving big time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Thank goodness I won't have to make this decision as either LJ or SA will be mine on draft night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamaboy Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Take Manning, why not should have 2004 numbers this year, ride him to the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree22 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Take Manning, why not should have 2004 numbers this year, ride him to the playoffs I was thinking the same thing but not at 4. I was thinking early 2nd round for Manning. I usually wait until round 5 or 6 before I even think about taking a QB. But Manning should have a monster year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fogg Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 If PPR, its Tiki at 4. If not PPR, then either Tiki or Portis. Nothing to date has been reported (here, TV, print, other internet) to suggest that Portis' injury is anything major. He had a subluxation, which is a self reducing dislocation. Let me put it in perspective. Have you ever know anyone who was "double jointed"? They can pop their shoulder "out" and then back in and it makes a clunking noise. That is essentially what happened. The only difference between him and the "double jointed" person is that the "double jointed" person either has a congenital or acquired ligament laxity that allows it to happen and therefore has very little pain because the stabilizing structures are too loose. Nothing I read about Portis would suggest this is the case. I'm sure it hurt quite a bit because of the way it happened, but that's nothing compared to the pain he would have had if he had fully dislocated it and needed to have it put back in. A dislocation hangs slack in the joint and would need to be reduced by the trainer or ortho on staff. Labral tears, fractures and nerve damage can happen but don't necessarily happen. For more fun facts about shoulder dislocations vs. subluxation go to http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia...der-Dislocation Fogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 If PPR, its Tiki at 4. If not PPR, then either Tiki or Portis. Nothing to date has been reported (here, TV, print, other internet) to suggest that Portis' injury is anything major. He had a subluxation, which is a self reducing dislocation. Let me put it in perspective. Have you ever know anyone who was "double jointed"? They can pop their shoulder "out" and then back in and it makes a clunking noise. That is essentially what happened. The only difference between him and the "double jointed" person is that the "double jointed" person either has a congenital or acquired ligament laxity that allows it to happen and therefore has very little pain because the stabilizing structures are too loose. Nothing I read about Portis would suggest this is the case. I'm sure it hurt quite a bit because of the way it happened, but that's nothing compared to the pain he would have had if he had fully dislocated it and needed to have it put back in. A dislocation hangs slack in the joint and would need to be reduced by the trainer or ortho on staff. Labral tears, fractures and nerve damage can happen but don't necessarily happen. For more fun facts about shoulder dislocations vs. subluxation go to http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia...der-Dislocation Fogg Dr. Fogg (with his medical input) rapidly making an early push for Newbie of the Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 it was Tiki about 5 days ago...then I went to Portis...and now it's Tiki again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dogs Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Dr. Fogg (with his medical input) rapidly making an early push for Newbie of the Year. Agreed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I becoming a Steven Jackson guy. I will probably live or die with him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I still take Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I still take Portis. i personally would take Tiki over Portis anyway. Tiki is a fantasy god right now, and really hasn't showed signs of slowing down. At all. Hell, he looks better than ever. Next year I might not have him so high, even if he does a recreate of 05, but this year, I'd bank on him regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 i personally would take Tiki over Portis anyway. Tiki is a fantasy god right now, and really hasn't showed signs of slowing down. At all. Hell, he looks better than ever. Next year I might not have him so high, even if he does a recreate of 05, but this year, I'd bank on him regardless Portis will out score Tiki IMHO I wouldn't let this injury worry me yet. He has alot more going for him than he did last year. I would take Tiki next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dogs Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 i personally would take Tiki over Portis anyway. Tiki is a fantasy god right now, and really hasn't showed signs of slowing down. At all. Hell, he looks better than ever. Next year I might not have him so high, even if he does a recreate of 05, but this year, I'd bank on him regardless Unfortunately I don't have a link to this, but I read it in another thread here on the huddle and I couldn't find it via the search......... My main problem with Tiki is that even he said in an interview not to pick him for Fantasy football. He stated in the interview that while he'll get the carries and the yardage, he may not get the goal line touches and that Brandon Jacobs was going to get more goal line work this year........ While I like S Jackson a lot, I still think I would be reaching for him with the # 4 pick, so I'm tempted to still go with Portis and take my chances..........then take a couple of top WR's, and use picks 4 & 5 on RB's, and load up on some depth at RB........Should be able to get guys like Dunn or Lewis in the 4th, and possibly Addai or Benson in the 5th...... AAaggghh, the season hasn't even started yet, and FF is already driving me nuts......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) Take Manning, why not should have 2004 numbers this year, ride him to the playoffs League set-up and scoring is #1, but I too would consider Manning, not any other QB, but certaily Manning. The point differential the he gives you over the opposing teams QB on a weekly basis should help you cover match-up problems at RB. You are hooked at taking RBs with two of your next three picks to stay competative though! Manning. like Gates, at their respective positions, give you almost weekly guaranteed wins at their positions with point differential "pads, that help cover weaknesses elsewhere on you roster. Since the majority of leagues only start one at each of these positions, statistically, it makes their points "count" more, raising their actual value on the draft board. Yeah, I could comfortably take Manning here, his brother Peyton wouldn't be a bad consideration either! Edited August 16, 2006 by McBoog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robash Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 My main problem with Tiki is that even he said in an interview not to pick him for Fantasy football. He stated in the interview that while he'll get the carries and the yardage, he may not get the goal line touches and that Brandon Jacobs was going to get more goal line work this year........ thats what he said last year as well...and i agree with you about SJax, 4th is to early imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 In a PPR league I take Tiki, in a standard scoring league, I still take Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) If PPR, its Tiki at 4. If not PPR, then either Tiki or Portis. Nothing to date has been reported (here, TV, print, other internet) to suggest that Portis' injury is anything major. He had a subluxation, which is a self reducing dislocation. Let me put it in perspective. Have you ever know anyone who was "double jointed"? They can pop their shoulder "out" and then back in and it makes a clunking noise. That is essentially what happened. The only difference between him and the "double jointed" person is that the "double jointed" person either has a congenital or acquired ligament laxity that allows it to happen and therefore has very little pain because the stabilizing structures are too loose. Nothing I read about Portis would suggest this is the case. I'm sure it hurt quite a bit because of the way it happened, but that's nothing compared to the pain he would have had if he had fully dislocated it and needed to have it put back in. A dislocation hangs slack in the joint and would need to be reduced by the trainer or ortho on staff. Labral tears, fractures and nerve damage can happen but don't necessarily happen. For more fun facts about shoulder dislocations vs. subluxation go to http://www.medicineonline.com/encyclopedia...der-Dislocation Fogg Well done. No link, but I heard on the radio on my way home last night that he not only has the separation, but they feared he had partially torn his rotator cuff. Let me try finding a link. Edit: Can't find anything ... and actually, everything I'm reading (granted these snippits are 1-2 days old) says that he simply "stretched" the cuff area, no tear. Edited August 16, 2006 by darin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 RBs in the NFL with tweaked shoulders are a recipe for trouble. RBs take a tremendous amount of upper body punishment, especially those that get a lot or work. If Portis' shoulder isn't healed completely going into week 1 - which it appears is unlikely based upon the latest medical reports - he's going to get his shoulder dinged up every week. Then it comes down to a matter of tolerance for pain and how much the injury affects his performance - in short, not whether it will affect Portis, because it wll, every week, but rather how much it detracts from his performance - going down a bit easier than normal, fumbling more, protecting the QB in the pocket, etc. As much as I like Portis, it seems like he's been snake bitten ever since he played chicken with Shanahan in DEN & got shipped off to WAS. I'd take Tiki in the Giants' prolific O as well as R Brown & probably S Jackson before I'd consider Portis this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smrt Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 3. how does who you take as your #1 RB effect the rest of your draft? As someone drafting at 8 & 9 in my two respective drafts, I'm more interested in what people to have to say about question #3. I'll be happy with either Brown or Caddy (leaning towards Brown), but I'd love it if for some reason SJax fell to me at either 8 or 9. Although it's more likely at 8. Neither of the leagues are PPR and we start 2 RBs. Am I crazy for not taking Lamont Jordan at 8 or 9? The Raiders as a team just make me nervous. With Jordan and Moss screaming for the ball, is it a recipe for low FF points? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 RBs in the NFL with tweaked shoulders are a recipe for trouble. RBs take a tremendous amount of upper body punishment, especially those that get a lot or work. If Portis' shoulder isn't healed completely going into week 1 - which it appears is unlikely based upon the latest medical reports - he's going to get his shoulder dinged up every week. Then it comes down to a matter of tolerance for pain and how much the injury affects his performance - in short, not whether it will affect Portis, because it wll, every week, but rather how much it detracts from his performance - going down a bit easier than normal, fumbling more, protecting the QB in the pocket, etc. As much as I like Portis, it seems like he's been snake bitten ever since he played chicken with Shanahan in DEN & got shipped off to WAS. I'd take Tiki in the Giants' prolific O as well as R Brown & probably S Jackson before I'd consider Portis this year. These are me feelings exactly Broncoo. There's just too much risk that this shoulder injury could linger all year long. Both Saunders and Gibbs love Betts and won't hesitate to put him in if Portis' performance drops in the least. I have the #5 pick in a first year keeper league and since Portis injured his shoulder I'm considering Brown, Caddy or SJax. I'm having a hard time deciding though. Who do you like out of those 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleW64 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I would go with: 4. R. Brown - Cpep and a better passing game should open up the running lanes 5a-b. coin toss between Tiki and Portis. Tiki will probably put up good yards but lose goal line carries again. Portis will lose some carries to Betts and the question of the shoulder being a nagging injury is still there. :close your eyes and throw a dart: 7. SJax - should be a much more complete RB than first two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trrhyne Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I have the #4 pick and I'm going with Portis......no Tiki......no really Portis.....actually Tiki.....finally Portis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 ah screw it..i'd trade down and laugh all the way to Peyton and 2 elite WRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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