Wizards Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 In a must keep 2 players, can keep 3 player league. Scoring 6 pts for TD's, RB: 10 yards per 1 point-rushing or receiving--1 point for every 5 touches. QB-25 yards per 1 point(rush/rec/passing)--6 pts. TD 10 Team League: Team A: Keeps Manning and Fred Taylor (horrible team finished 0-13 last year--new owner) Team B: Keeps Portis, Caddy and was gonna be D. Davis... Start 1 QB--2 RB's--2 WR's--1 Flex (RB or WR), 1 kicker, 1 DST Objection was based on points and Manning had greater value than Caddy. What do you think....should trade been rejected or is it fair? Need your input! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 In a must keep 2 players, can keep 3 player league. Scoring 6 pts for TD's, RB: 10 yards per 1 point-rushing or receiving--1 point for every 5 touches. QB-25 yards per 1 point(rush/rec/passing)--6 pts. TD 10 Team League: Team A: Keeps Manning and Fred Taylor (horrible team finished 0-13 last year--new owner) Team B: Keeps Portis, Caddy and was gonna be D. Davis... Start 1 QB--2 RB's--2 WR's--1 Flex (RB or WR), 1 kicker, 1 DST Objection was based on points and Manning had greater value than Caddy. What do you think....should trade been rejected or is it fair? Need your input! These questions are getting a bit ridiculous. Of course it shouldn't be rejected. Who is to say who is more valuable or who will have a better year. No one knows. Unless collusion can be proven, no trades should be rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 only a schoolgirl would reject that trade.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Sounds like many leagues are a bit heavy handed with trade rejections. Why is the league even voting on this trade? The league shouldn't be making a value comparison for each trade. Trades should be the concern of only the two parties involved and the commish. The two parties involved can decide what is fair and should only be vetoed if the the commish decides the two teams are involved in something under-handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizards Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Sounds like many leagues are a bit heavy handed with trade rejections. Why is the league even voting on this trade? The league shouldn't be making a value comparison for each trade. Trades should be the concern of only the two parties involved and the commish. The two parties involved can decide what is fair and should only be vetoed if the the commish decides the two teams are involved in something under-handed. In this league if one owner objects to a trade...there is a league vote on the trade...the kicker...the owners trading don't get to vote...so 2 votes are tossed out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dread Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 In this league if one owner objects to a trade...there is a league vote on the trade...the kicker...the owners trading don't get to vote...so 2 votes are tossed out.... You've got to be kidding...if 1 owner objects? Time to throw away the Communist Manifesto rulebook and let the owners manage their own teams! That is a horrible rule, especially if the parties concerned have no say in the approval. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 That's a stupid rule. That means I could basically veto any trade at all trying to keep my opponents down. You gotta ditch that rule AND you gotta let that trade go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 It is not the commissioner's or the league's responsibility to determine the "fairness" or "unfairness" of a trade. We all have different opinions of how individual players will perform meaning we have varying opinions of "fair" and "not fair". The commissioner/league is NOT tasked with managing all the teams in the league to ensure "fairness". The only reason a trade should be over-turned or not allowed is if there is collusion, period. Owners should be allowed to be stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 This is getting crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 That's a stupid rule. That means I could basically veto any trade at all trying to keep my opponents down. You gotta ditch that rule AND you gotta let that trade go through. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thews40 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 In this league if one owner objects to a trade...there is a league vote on the trade...the kicker...the owners trading don't get to vote...so 2 votes are tossed out.... I take it that in this league vote you had enough votes to overturn it? Time to get in a new league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_bone65 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Trade goes through without question. I traded Peyton away during the offseason for Larry Fitzgerald in my keeper league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 (edited) you should ask your league if they know what the ADPs are for Caddy and Manning this yr... actually they probably dont even know what an ADP is Edited August 30, 2006 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Asinine. Your league sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 The only reason a trade should be over-turned or not allowed is if there is collusion, period. yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 That anyone is willing to play in leagues with rules like this astounds me. I'd like anyone to prove to me that Manning has more value than Cadillac this year, even with all TDs being 6 pts. The 1 pt/5 touches seals the deal that the guy getting Cadillac is actually getting a better value - and let's not look past the fact that I'm no Cadillac fan whatsoever. If you stay in this league, you deserve what you get. With your owners being so self-important, so arrogant, and so contentious, I'd be surprised if any trade is allowed to go through. Just make it a "no-trade" league & be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Someone's getting ripped off in this trade. I'm just not sure who. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 It is not the commissioner's or the league's responsibility to determine the "fairness" or "unfairness" of a trade. We all have different opinions of how individual players will perform meaning we have varying opinions of "fair" and "not fair". The commissioner/league is NOT tasked with managing all the teams in the league to ensure "fairness". The only reason a trade should be over-turned or not allowed is if there is collusion, period. Owners should be allowed to be stupid. Ditto...ditto ditto ditto. Read the past threads as I believe everyone has been clear on this this. Tell your owners to stop whining and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I'm all for letting owners object to a trade. If a majority of the owners object, the trade doesn't go through. To work properly, you need honest owners. If the majority (if not all) of the owners in your league aren't honest, you need to quit the league. In all of the leagues that I have been in over the years, I have not seen one trade vetoed. That being said, from what I have read, if I understand it properly, their is no legitimate objection to that trade whatsoever. I agree with Thewsie - it's time to get a new league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 In this league if one owner objects to a trade...there is a league vote on the trade...the kicker...the owners trading don't get to vote...so 2 votes are tossed out.... A very solid, reasonable rule in Bizarro fantasy football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I'm all for letting owners object to a trade. If a majority of the owners object, the trade doesn't go through. To work properly, you need honest owners. If the majority (if not all) of the owners in your league aren't honest, you need to quit the league. In all of the leagues that I have been in over the years, I have not seen one trade vetoed. That being said, from what I have read, if I understand it properly, their is no legitimate objection to that trade whatsoever. I agree with Thewsie - it's time to get a new league. As I see it, if you have honest owners, there is even LESS of a need to have owner rejections. If everyone is being honest and acting in the best interest of their team, I see no reason why it shouldn't just fall to the commish. Too many cooks in the kitchen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 That rule is primed to be abused. Look at it this way: in many mocks what is the difference in where these 2 players are taken? Maybe a half dozen spots, and then it isn't always clear who goes first. If I was that new owner, I'd demand a refund and walk. You guys play like bizzatches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 As I see it, if you have honest owners, there is even LESS of a need to have owner rejections. If everyone is being honest and acting in the best interest of their team, I see no reason why it shouldn't just fall to the commish. Too many cooks in the kitchen. This doesn't make any sense to me. You would rather have the decision in the hands of one man than 10 or 12? Seems to be that the chances of a veto being abused is greater. 7 votes of 12 to veto a trade (or 6 of 10) is a subtstantial hurdle, as it should be. With honest owners, all but the most absurd of trades will be allowed. Of course, if you're in a decent league, you'll never run across such a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I agree that Manning is likely to have more value than Caddilac this season, but nobody can say that for sure. It's not a lopsided trade in any sense of the word. I'd quit, get my money back, and find another league if I were you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 This doesn't make any sense to me. You would rather have the decision in the hands of one man than 10 or 12? Seems to be that the chances of a veto being abused is greater. 7 votes of 12 to veto a trade (or 6 of 10) is a subtstantial hurdle, as it should be. With honest owners, all but the most absurd of trades will be allowed. Of course, if you're in a decent league, you'll never run across such a trade. In an "honest" league, the only types of trades that will be agreed to are ones that people believe will actually better their team - not colluding to make one team better. Most agree that the only reason that a trade should be overturned is collusion. If there is faith that the owners are all acting in their best interest, why should others vote on trades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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