DeAngelo Williams

[rebdog]

i was shocked that DeShaun Foster got the only carries yesterday. i didn't expect Williams to get more than about ten, but not to get any? i didn't see this game but Foster's avg. wasn't overwhelming and they got whipped. Why wouldn't they give Williams a look?

[Grits and Shins]

Well Foster only ran it 15 times. I expect at this early stage Foster is more comfortable pass blocking and Delhomme threw the ball 39 times.

[Vet]

Didn't see the game, but I'm chalking it up to them being behind all day.

 

I believe Williams will get his share of carries this year.

 

I'm not sure I like him returning kicks, however. How many teams have their #1 draft pick return kicks? Seems like an accident waiting to happen to me.

[Grits and Shins]

I'm not sure I like him returning kicks, however. How many teams have their #1 draft pick return kicks? Seems like an accident waiting to happen to me.

 

 

This happens all the time if the #1 pick is not starting. Gets them into the game and allows them to begin to adjust to the speed of the game. In addition when you combine backup RB/WR with KR you eliminate a roster spot.

[Vet]

This happens all the time if the #1 pick is not starting. Gets them into the game and allows them to begin to adjust to the speed of the game. In addition when you combine backup RB/WR with KR you eliminate a roster spot.

 

 

 

Provide examples.

[Bring Back Pat!!!]

Provide examples.

 

 

 

Maroney was returning kicks yesterday. And he got 15+ touches.

[rai]

westbrook is returning punts for gods sake.

 

R.Bush is returning punts/kicks (can't recall which).

 

 

I/We don't like it but the coach could give a rats ass about FF.

Edited September 11, 2006 by rai

[Grits and Shins]

Provide examples.

 

 

I believe Reggie Bush lined up in the backfield, at WR AND returned punts ... and he was the number 2 overall draft pick

[Vet]

Maroney was returning kicks yesterday. And he got 15+ touches.

 

 

 

Excellent point.

 

Maroney looked great yesterday on KRs and from scrimmage.

 

But, Grits sais this happens "all the time". So, the examples of first round RBs that return kicks should be endless, especially since the salary cap and the limitation to the 53 man roster. I'm looking forward to seeing the list.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Vet

[Azazello1313]

Provide examples.

you want examples of other first round picks who lined up to return kicks? are you serious?

 

i guess we could start the list with reggie bush...

 

edit: wow, you WERE serious. well let's see, the three first RBs selected in this year's draft were all returning kicks yesterday. i think santonio holmes was the only WR selected in the first round, and he was returning kicks on thursday. to say that it's rare to see this is totally moranic.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Azazello1313

[LooGie]

you want examples of other first round picks who lined up to return kicks? are you serious?

 

i guess we could start the list with reggie bush...

anyone know what round Steve Smith was drafted in?

 

He was returning kicks and punts LAST YEAR in the nearly MVP season.

 

He didn't get MVP, but at least he got to share the Comeback Player award with Bruschi/God

[Bronco Billy]

I was also shocked that CAR, in such an obviously bad need for a spark in the game, wouldn't give D Williams some work in the backfield. That made no sense to me that they'd just knuckle under and take their ass-kicking in an important game.

 

:scratching head:

[PantherDave]

anyone know what round Steve Smith was drafted in?

 

He was returning kicks and punts LAST YEAR in the nearly MVP season.

 

He didn't get MVP, but at least he got to share the Comeback Player award with Bruschi/God

 

 

Smith was drafted to strictly be a punt returner for the Panthers, they just lucked into the dynamic wideout play, and I believe he was drafted in the 4th rd outta Utah-maybe the 5th rd.

[Vet]

you want examples of other first round picks who lined up to return kicks? are you serious?

 

i guess we could start the list with reggie bush...

 

 

 

Wow...did you even watch any football yesterday?

 

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints. First RB pick in the draft. Kick returns = zero.

 

 

But, since you seem to know what you're talking about, kindly provide us with a list of RBs chosen in the first round that have immediately returned kicks, in week one, for the team that drafted them.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Vet

[hollywood_69]

before the season john fox said that foster is "the man" so add him to your very small list of every down backs. i got him cheap in the 4th, hopefully he can stay healthy, F if smith would have played i would have this week wrapped up by now, but now, i'm the leading scorer with out smith but my opp has LT

[Tommyknocker]

Reggie had three punt returns for 22 yards yesterday. Punt return kick return its all the same.

[aqualung]

Wow...did you even watch any football yesterday?

 

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints. First RB pick in the draft. Kick returns = zero.

But, since you seem to know what you're talking about, kindly provide us with a list of RBs chosen in the first round that have immediately returned kicks, in week one, for the team that drafted them.

 

 

If you want to get technical, it was punts.

[Bring Back Pat!!!]

Considering that the first 3 RBs drafted this year, Bush, Maroney & Wlliams, all returned either punts or kickoffs, I think it's time for this thread to die. It happens. 1st round backs don't always play because of blocking assignments and pass route running. Letting them retuen kicks is a way to get their talent on the field and not get he qb killed or cause a turnover, etc.

[Grits and Shins]

Wow...did you even watch any football yesterday?

 

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints. First RB pick in the draft. Kick returns = zero.

But, since you seem to know what you're talking about, kindly provide us with a list of RBs chosen in the first round that have immediately returned kicks, in week one, for the team that drafted them.

 

 

NFL punt return stats

 

Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs FC

1 Wes Welker MIA 3 79 26.3 47 0 1

2 Arnaz Battle SF 3 71 23.7 60 0 1

3 Devin Hester CHI 5 104 20.8 84 1 0

4 Dennis Northcutt CLE 2 41 20.5 31 0 1

5 Charles Woodson GB 3 44 14.7 28 0 0

6 B.J. Sams BAL 4 57 14.3 24 0 0

7 Jimmy Williams SEA 4 43 10.8 22 0 1

8 Allen Rossum ATL 3 29 9.7 13 0 0

9 Mark Jones TB 5 47 9.4 18 0 0

10 Brian Westbrook PHI 3 25 8.3 11 0 2

11 Pacman Jones TEN 3 23 7.7 13 0 0

12 Chad Owens JAC 4 30 7.5 13 0 0

13 Reggie Bush NO 3 22 7.3 13 0 0

14 Chad Morton NYG 2 12 6.0 9 0 0

15 Leon Washington NYJ 2 11 5.5 7 0 0

16 Jamaica Rector DAL 4 22 5.5 8 0 1

17 Chris Gamble CAR 3 13 4.3 7 0 0

18 Eddie Drummond DET 3 10 3.3 6 0 0

19 Dante Hall KC 3 5 1.7 5 0 0

 

NFL Kick Returns stats

Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs

1 Justin Miller NYJ 3 89 29.7 41 0

2 Willie Ponder SEA 3 88 29.3 41 0

3 Allen Rossum ATL 3 87 29.0 38 0

4 Terrence Wilkins IND 4 111 27.8 33 0

5 Terrence McGee BUF 4 110 27.5 44 0

6 J.R. Reed STL 2 51 25.5 29 0

7 Maurice Hicks SF 6 151 25.2 32 0

8 Bobby Wade TEN 3 75 25.0 30 0

9 J.J. Arrington ARI 5 124 24.8 30 0

10 Wes Welker MIA 3 74 24.7 30 0

11 Santonio Holmes PIT 2 49 24.5 28 0

12 Michael Pittman TB 5 121 24.2 27 0

13 Tab Perry CIN 2 48 24.0 34 0

14 Tyson Thompson DAL 2 46 23.0 26 0

15 Josh Cribbs CLE 5 114 22.8 40 0

16 Dante Hall KC 4 87 21.8 32 0

17 DeAngelo Williams CAR 3 64 21.3 24 0

18 Phillip Buchanon HOU 2 41 20.5 21 0

19 Mike Bell DEN 2 40 20.0 21 0

20 Laurence Maroney NE 3 59 19.7 24 0

21 David Kircus DEN 2 38 19.0 20 0

22 Bruce Perry PHI 3 57 19.0 24 0

23 Samkon Gado GB 3 57 19.0 23 0

24 Eddie Drummond DET 2 38 19.0 21 0

25 Chad Morton NYG 6 112 18.7 29 0

26 Robert Ferguson GB 2 36 18.0 20 0

27 Noah Herron GB 2 36 18.0 21 0

 

So Joseph Addai is the ONLY rookie RB taken in the FIRST round this year NOT to return a punt/kick

 

LEGEND

• Rookie RBs drafted in the 1st round

• Rookie RBs drafted after the 1st round

• Starting RBs

• Backup RBs

 

Edited September 11, 2006 by Grits and Shins

[PaulOttCarruth]

Wow...did you even watch any football yesterday?

 

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints. First RB pick in the draft. Kick returns = zero.

But, since you seem to know what you're talking about, kindly provide us with a list of RBs chosen in the first round that have immediately returned kicks, in week one, for the team that drafted them.

 

 

Brian Westbrook returned punts yesterday...wasn't taken in the first round, but is arguably Philly's most important player.

 

JJ Arrington, a former 1st round RB, returned kicks yesterday.

 

Mike Bell, a starting RB, returned kicks.

[Vet]

If you want to get technical, it was punts.

 

 

 

That's not being technical.

 

The whole premise to my question was that I was surprised DeAngelo Williams was returning kicks yesterday in his first game.

 

To which some idiot said "it happens all the time".

 

To which I said "I'm not sure that's the case. Please provide some examples."

 

One smart reader pointed out that Lawrence Maroney returned kicks yesterday. I thanked that reader and pointed out that he made an excellent point.

 

Then another idiot said "Reggie Bush returned kicks yesterday."

 

So, I checked the stats, and it turns out Reggie Bush returned no kicks yesterday.

 

So I asked for further examples of RBs selected in the first round that returned kicks in their first NFL game, since apparently "it happens all the time".

 

So, the list should be growing by leaps and bounds any minute now.

[Azazello1313]

Wow...did you even watch any football yesterday?

 

Reggie Bush, New Orleans Saints. First RB pick in the draft. Kick returns = zero.

But, since you seem to know what you're talking about, kindly provide us with a list of RBs chosen in the first round that have immediately returned kicks, in week one, for the team that drafted them.

 

 

why don't you provide a list of RBs and/or WRs selected in the first round that NEVER returned kicks, that list would be a lot shorter.

 

or you could do the smart thing and just back completely away from your idiotic implication that first round picks returning kicks is somehow rare, because it absolutely unquestionably is NOT rare.

 

edit: punts and kickoffs are both "kicks", you f*cking returd.

Edited September 11, 2006 by Azazello1313

[Vet]

edit: punts and kickoffs are both "kicks", you f*cking returd.

 

 

 

All I said was I was surprised DeAngelo Williams was returning kicks yesterday.

 

I was then told it happens all the time.

 

That being the case, the example should be plentiful.

[uggabugga]

Back to the original point of this thread, I'm a little surprised he didn't get a few carries but I didn't expect them to treat him like Reggie Bush. DeShaun is great until he gets hurt. And he WILL get hurt. So just hold on to DeAng and enjoy the rewards around midseason.

[Grits and Shins]

That's not being technical.

 

The whole premise to my question was that I was surprised DeAngelo Williams was returning kicks yesterday in his first game.

 

To which some idiot said "it happens all the time".

 

To which I said "I'm not sure that's the case. Please provide some examples."

 

One smart reader pointed out that Lawrence Maroney returned kicks yesterday. I thanked that reader and pointed out that he made an excellent point.

 

Then another idiot said "Reggie Bush returned kicks yesterday."

 

So, I checked the stats, and it turns out Reggie Bush returned no kicks yesterday.

 

So I asked for further examples of RBs selected in the first round that returned kicks in their first NFL game, since apparently "it happens all the time".

 

So, the list should be growing by leaps and bounds any minute now.

 

 

Posted again for your benefit:

 

 

NFL punt return stats

 

Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs FC

1 Wes Welker MIA 3 79 26.3 47 0 1

2 Arnaz Battle SF 3 71 23.7 60 0 1

3 Devin Hester CHI 5 104 20.8 84 1 0

4 Dennis Northcutt CLE 2 41 20.5 31 0 1

5 Charles Woodson GB 3 44 14.7 28 0 0

6 B.J. Sams BAL 4 57 14.3 24 0 0

7 Jimmy Williams SEA 4 43 10.8 22 0 1

8 Allen Rossum ATL 3 29 9.7 13 0 0

9 Mark Jones TB 5 47 9.4 18 0 0

10 Brian Westbrook PHI 3 25 8.3 11 0 2

11 Pacman Jones TEN 3 23 7.7 13 0 0

12 Chad Owens JAC 4 30 7.5 13 0 0

13 Reggie Bush NO 3 22 7.3 13 0 0

14 Chad Morton NYG 2 12 6.0 9 0 0

15 Leon Washington NYJ 2 11 5.5 7 0 0

16 Jamaica Rector DAL 4 22 5.5 8 0 1

17 Chris Gamble CAR 3 13 4.3 7 0 0

18 Eddie Drummond DET 3 10 3.3 6 0 0

19 Dante Hall KC 3 5 1.7 5 0 0

 

NFL Kick Returns stats

Rank Player Team Rets Yds Avg LG TDs

1 Justin Miller NYJ 3 89 29.7 41 0

2 Willie Ponder SEA 3 88 29.3 41 0

3 Allen Rossum ATL 3 87 29.0 38 0

4 Terrence Wilkins IND 4 111 27.8 33 0

5 Terrence McGee BUF 4 110 27.5 44 0

6 J.R. Reed STL 2 51 25.5 29 0

7 Maurice Hicks SF 6 151 25.2 32 0

8 Bobby Wade TEN 3 75 25.0 30 0

9 J.J. Arrington ARI 5 124 24.8 30 0

10 Wes Welker MIA 3 74 24.7 30 0

11 Santonio Holmes PIT 2 49 24.5 28 0

12 Michael Pittman TB 5 121 24.2 27 0

13 Tab Perry CIN 2 48 24.0 34 0

14 Tyson Thompson DAL 2 46 23.0 26 0

15 Josh Cribbs CLE 5 114 22.8 40 0

16 Dante Hall KC 4 87 21.8 32 0

17 DeAngelo Williams CAR 3 64 21.3 24 0

18 Phillip Buchanon HOU 2 41 20.5 21 0

19 Mike Bell DEN 2 40 20.0 21 0

20 Laurence Maroney NE 3 59 19.7 24 0

21 David Kircus DEN 2 38 19.0 20 0

22 Bruce Perry PHI 3 57 19.0 24 0

23 Samkon Gado GB 3 57 19.0 23 0

24 Eddie Drummond DET 2 38 19.0 21 0

25 Chad Morton NYG 6 112 18.7 29 0

26 Robert Ferguson GB 2 36 18.0 20 0

27 Noah Herron GB 2 36 18.0 21 0

 

So Joseph Addai is the ONLY rookie RB taken in the FIRST round this year NOT to return a punt/kick

 

LEGEND

• Rookie RBs drafted in the 1st round

• Rookie RBs drafted after the 1st round

• Starting RBs

• Backup RBs