LooGie Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I knew the Pats would bumble their way through this incident. At some point, that front office has got to stop worrying about "pissing matches" and swallow their pride. Pay the damn SB MVP and move get over it. Just this once i think would've been smart. I thought even Belichik would've given him to NYJ, but i guess he didn't wanna see Branch torch his secondary twice a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 the Seahawks passing attack is great for Hasselbeck and thats about it...give me no part of those receivers... It will be interesting to see how it shakes out, it won't be worse than owning a New England WR for the last few years. I still think that this deal can actually help Djax's numbers as long as he stays healthy. Burleson.....not so much... As a Seahawk fan I'm extremely happy about the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Fixed. Bureleson gets paid either way. Yeah, that's what I meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 I knew the Pats would bumble their way through this incident. At some point, that front office has got to stop worrying about "pissing matches" and swallow their pride. Pay the damn SB MVP and move get over it. Just this once i think would've been smart. I thought even Belichik would've given him to NYJ, but i guess he didn't wanna see Branch torch his secondary twice a year i'm unhappy to see him go, but i'd hardly call holding their ground and getting a 1st round pick for him "bumbling." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 same here And another... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i'm unhappy to see him go, but i'd hardly call holding their ground and getting a 1st round pick for him "bumbling." It depends on how you look at NE's situation. If you believe that the Pats are in a brief "rebuilding" mode, it's a very good move. If you think that the Pats are one of the top 3 or so teams in the AFC, you'd be justified in being a bit pissed at BB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i'm unhappy to see him go, but i'd hardly call holding their ground and getting a 1st round pick for him "bumbling." I call it "getting over" . IMO that is what New England did. Now Seattle has to pay him those dollars he wants and New England just puts someone in his spot and moves right along . Plus gets a good pick next year. If I am a Patriot fan I am very happy about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokoMotion Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Does this affect New England's offense in anyway - specifically, the numbers put up by the running game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msaint Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 It depends on how you look at NE's situation. If you believe that the Pats are in a brief "rebuilding" mode, it's a very good move. If you think that the Pats are one of the top 3 or so teams in the AFC, you'd be justified in being a bit pissed at BB. i do think they'll be right up there with pitt, indy, cincy other afc top teams. but i also think they've proven that they don't need a true marquee #1 wr to succeed. branch was our #1, but he wasn't a marquee guy based on how little other teams were offering and how he's preceived around the league. the fact that a team paid a marquee price (#1 pick) for a guy who is a #2 wr in "real life" is pretty darned good. and, again, while i'm pissed that we lost a great kid whose hard work made him "outperform" his original contract, and i don't like that this might make the pats less attractive for free agents (i.e. the perception that managemennt is cutthroat), i have to trust in BB/SP and their proven track record...and, when it comes to free agents, some might trade a touchy-feely relationship with coach/ownership for a legit chance at a ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesMarauders Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I knew the Pats would bumble their way through this incident. At some point, that front office has got to stop worrying about "pissing matches" and swallow their pride. Pay the damn SB MVP and move get over it. Just this once i think would've been smart. I thought even Belichik would've given him to NYJ, but i guess he didn't wanna see Branch torch his secondary twice a year I think the offer that the pats gave to Branch 33 million with about 1/2 garanteed was a pretty good offer so I have no idea what you are talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i'm unhappy to see him go, but i'd hardly call holding their ground and getting a 1st round pick for him "bumbling." i dont mean they bumbled what they got..I mean they never thought anyone would give him the money he wanted. Then a team did. twice. Then they just refused to trade him. Thinking he'll come back. They handled this wrong. Sure they got a first round pick for a Superbowl MVP that is clearly their #1 undisputed WR and a veteren of their offense...oh yah, and someone capable of some serious YAC. I don't think the Architect figured this is how it would work out..but I honestly didn't see it working out any other way. Just seems kind of like a pissing match between two teenagers or something. Just my Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i do think they'll be right up there with pitt, indy, cincy other afc top teams. but i also think they've proven that they don't need a true marquee #1 wr to succeed. branch was our #1, but he wasn't a marquee guy based on how little other teams were offering and how he's preceived around the league. the fact that a team paid a marquee price (#1 pick) for a guy who is a #2 wr in "real life" is pretty darned good. and, again, while i'm pissed that we lost a great kid whose hard work made him "outperform" his original contract, and i don't like that this might make the pats less attractive for free agents (i.e. the perception that managemennt is cutthroat), i have to trust in BB/SP and their proven track record...and, when it comes to free agents, some might trade a touchy-feely relationship with coach/ownership for a legit chance at a ring. Talent-wise, Branch could easily be a marquee #1. Injuries and playing in a relatively conservative offense have kept him from doing so. I really thought that they should've kept either him or Givens, as Reche Caldwell, Doug Gabriel, and an over-the-hill Troy Brown are going to hinder their passing game. My feeling is that BB wants to save money/acquire draft picks to patch up that defense and/or acquire free agents to replace some of those lesser defensive players next season. Despite the fact that the division is basically theirs for the taking, making them almost a lock for the playoffs, they're not going to be "championship material" this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) I think the offer that the pats gave to Branch 33 million with about 1/2 garanteed was a pretty good offer so I have no idea what you are talking about um..i heard $24 million...with just a few guaranteed...got a ? here...i'll do your work for you from Boston.com Although it had been widely speculated that Branch would find no suitors after the Patriots told him he had seven days to negotiate an acceptable contract with another club and then a trade with New England, Branch and agent Jason Chayut came up with two similar offers, from the Jets and Seahawks. Both were six-year deals worth roughly $39 million with $13 million upfront and $23 million spread over the first three years. That is about 30 percent higher than New England's best offer, a five-year, $28 million deal with $11 million guaranteed. The Patriots had also offered a three-year extension with an $8 million signing bonus split evenly over two years and salaries of $1.4 million, $4.3 million, and $4.75 million. Branch would have been forced to play out the final year of his rookie contract at the $1.05 million he was set to earn this season before a daily fine of $14,000 began being assessed against him once training camp opened and he did not report. http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...offers_refused/ Edited September 11, 2006 by LooGie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I still think that this deal can actually help Djax's numbers as long as he stays healthy. Burleson.....not so much... As a DJax owner in two leagues, I hope you're right!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesMarauders Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) um..i heard $24 million...with just a few guaranteed...got a ? here...i'll do your work for you from Boston.com http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...offers_refused/ Ok so I was off a bit on my 33 million it was 5 years 31 million or 3 years 18 million but Im sure you dont live in the NE area so your probably out of the loop these are around the same numbers that have been reported on the local TV in NE http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2568851 Edited September 11, 2006 by MikesMarauders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chonchito Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 How long will it take for branch to play, or at least to play well? He missed all of training camp and doesn't know the offense of the seahawks and has no chemistry with hasselbeck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 i do think they'll be right up there with pitt, indy, cincy other afc top teams. but i also think they've proven that they don't need a true marquee #1 wr to succeed. well, not having a "marquee #1" is one thing. but right now, their best WR wouldn't be better than #3 or 4 on almost any other NFL depth chart. that is a very significant positional weakness for them right now, i don't care WHO'S throwing the football or calling the shots. bottom line here is the pats didn't want to pay branch what other teams in the league thought he was worth. maybe getting the late first rounder and saving the cap space helps them out in the long run....but you'd be nuts not to realize that it really hurts their chances a ton THIS year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charty Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 (edited) well, not having a "marquee #1" is one thing. but right now, their best WR wouldn't be better than #3 or 4 on almost any other NFL depth chart. that is a very significant positional weakness for them right now, i don't care WHO'S throwing the football or calling the shots. bottom line here is the pats didn't want to pay branch what other teams in the league thought he was worth. maybe getting the late first rounder and saving the cap space helps them out in the long run....but you'd be nuts not to realize that it really hurts their chances a ton THIS year. Obviously, the Pats would like to have Branch on the team, but it got to a certain point this summer when both sides knew he wasn't going to play for the Pats again. You gotta think that the Pats knew someone would offer him the money that has gone to the WR free agents in the past couple years. I don't think the 2 offers surprised them and screwed up any plan they had. They just weren't going to take less than a #1 pick, and they stuck to that. They offered him what they thought was fair based on the fact that he was under contract for this year and wasn't a free agent. They were doing him the favor of tearing up the final year of the deal with the contract they offered him. It's either take that (the reported 5yr 28M), or play your off this year and make your money next year. He took the approach to hold out even though he was under contract, and he got what he wanted. As for a #1, we'll see where his career goes. Last year was the only year he played in all 16 games and he finished with career highs of 998 yards and 5 TDs. I don't call those "#1 numbers", but let's see what happens in a different system. Edited September 11, 2006 by charty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Does this mean that Seattle will score more than 3 field goals next week? Like maybe 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 You still have Troy Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 You still have Troy Brown. And Teddy Bruschi! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 And Teddy Bruschi! Its Tedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 A few months ago Branch was rated about 18-25. Last seaon he was #20 in targets. Then he was about 50. Where will he be by week 6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 bottom line here is the pats didn't want to pay branch what other teams in the league thought he was worth. maybe getting the late first rounder and saving the cap space helps them out in the long run....but you'd be nuts not to realize that it really hurts their chances a ton THIS year. After watching that atrocity yesterday, are you sure it will be a high 1st rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Does this mean that Seattle will score more than 3 field goals next week? Like maybe 4? As a Josh Brown owner this is acceptable as long as they are all from 40 yards or longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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