pmaddock Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forum members, The commissioner of one of my fantasy leagues approached me for advice on a serious predicament that he is in. Somehow, after the draft of a couple weeks ago, teams in our 12 team performance league were placed in the wrong divisions. The league has always had a set way of determining the divisions based upon draft order and the mistake was not caught until late yesterday, and now the commish is not sure how to handle this. If he re-arranges the divisions, teams that thought they were winning may now be losing or will have lost already. Some people are definitely going to be very upset (and these guys will definitely say what is on their minds). The bottom line is that the right thing needs to be done. I told my commish that I would communicate this dilemna in this forum and let him know before the end of this day what you all think he should do to fix (or not do anything at all and let it be) the situation. What do you all think? PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Wolf Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 We do our divisions by random order, year to year. To us, divisions really do not matter...except to create rivalries. If the division order is THAT important to your league, make the correction starting in week 2. Let the week 1 results stand as they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 if your rules say that certain teams are supposed to be in certain divisions based on the draft, I guess you got to fix that. However, I know some owners will change their lineups based on who they are playing (i.e., starting a receiver that is on the same team as the opposing owner's qb). I'd say for the commish to point out the divisions as they are and how they should be per your rules. apologize profusely. accept the anger. apologize one more time. fix the divisions. move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forum members, The commissioner of one of my fantasy leagues approached me for advice on a serious predicament that he is in. Somehow, after the draft of a couple weeks ago, teams in our 12 team performance league were placed in the wrong divisions. The league has always had a set way of determining the divisions based upon draft order and the mistake was not caught until late yesterday, and now the commish is not sure how to handle this. If he re-arranges the divisions, teams that thought they were winning may now be losing or will have lost already. Some people are definitely going to be very upset (and these guys will definitely say what is on their minds). The bottom line is that the right thing needs to be done. I told my commish that I would communicate this dilemna in this forum and let him know before the end of this day what you all think he should do to fix (or not do anything at all and let it be) the situation. What do you all think? PM you got to be kidding. okay, so what does it matter what division you're in. too late now buddy, stick with it. Curiously, did either you or the commissioner lose Week 1? if the commish did, he needs to bite the bullet. Something that apparently is so important, should've been handled appropiately. Your commish is teh suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forum members, The commissioner of one of my fantasy leagues approached me for advice on a serious predicament that he is in. Somehow, after the draft of a couple weeks ago, teams in our 12 team performance league were placed in the wrong divisions. The league has always had a set way of determining the divisions based upon draft order and the mistake was not caught until late yesterday, and now the commish is not sure how to handle this. If he re-arranges the divisions, teams that thought they were winning may now be losing or will have lost already. Some people are definitely going to be very upset (and these guys will definitely say what is on their minds). The bottom line is that the right thing needs to be done. I told my commish that I would communicate this dilemna in this forum and let him know before the end of this day what you all think he should do to fix (or not do anything at all and let it be) the situation. What do you all think? PM If it took over two weeks to find it out, it couldn't have been that important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhabums Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If it took over two weeks to find it out, it couldn't have been that important. This is all the advice you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'd say that with the kick off of the 1st game the division alignment became set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If it took over two weeks to find it out, it couldn't have been that important. Great answer. How did no one notice until now? It sounds like you just have a bunch of portable dishwasher owners who look for any excuse to whine. What frickin' difference does it make in regard to what division you are in before the season starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Sanchez Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Explain the situation to everyone and make sure they know what the original rules stated. Then apologize for the mistake. Then take a league vote on whether or not you should make the realignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Misfit Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I'm guessing it makes a difference because of scheduling, right? Especially if you have three divisions ... Don't change it. It was set at kickoff Thursday. Any complaining should have been done before then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undefeated72 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forum members, The commissioner of one of my fantasy leagues approached me for advice on a serious predicament that he is in. Somehow, after the draft of a couple weeks ago, teams in our 12 team performance league were placed in the wrong divisions. The league has always had a set way of determining the divisions based upon draft order and the mistake was not caught until late yesterday, and now the commish is not sure how to handle this. If he re-arranges the divisions, teams that thought they were winning may now be losing or will have lost already. Some people are definitely going to be very upset (and these guys will definitely say what is on their minds). The bottom line is that the right thing needs to be done. I told my commish that I would communicate this dilemna in this forum and let him know before the end of this day what you all think he should do to fix (or not do anything at all and let it be) the situation. What do you all think? PM Take a vote..... 3 choice 1) You can adjust to what they should have been 2) You can leave them the way they are 3) You can count both games either now or the last game of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think your commish is screwed no matter what. I understand why division alignment is important especially when it comes to scheduling the league doormat and his dumb ass brother for 4 guaranteed wins this year. If your rules clearly spell out how the division alignments are supposed to go, then the commish should change the alignment to the way it should be and tell anyone with a lady dog to read the rules next time. If it is not clearly spelled out in the league rules, then it should be put to a league vote, a) keep the new divisions, move them to the correct alignment. Those are the only acceptable options at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 One thing is for sure ... this is a no win situation for the commissioner and he brought it upon himself. In my local I make all my owners roll for draft position starting any time in the summer and concluding at least 2 weeks prior to the draft. If an owner doesn't roll by the specified deadline, then I roll for him. We do this even though it is a local league that gathers at my house to draft. Why? So I can set all the divisions based on our rules 2 weeks prior to the draft. It is my job as commissioner to make sure it is correct ... but I always have my assistant commissioner double check. The commissioner really fell down on the job on this one and has nobody to blame but himself for this mess. No matter what happens now somebody is going to be pissed. On the one hand I agree with Kid Cid in that rules are rules and everybody had access to the same rules so suck it up and quit whining about having to play somebody different this week. On the other hand I don't really think that divisional alignment is that big of a thing, each week you will face a new opponent (division foes twice in the year often) and you have to win enough games to get into the playoffs regardless of who you play. What raises my eyebrow is the idea that this mistake was likely discovered by a team that will lose this week when it occurred to him that "hey I shouldn't be playing X ... I should be playing Y and I would have won". You just know had this owner won his game he would have remained quiet. Or an owner figured out that because he was in the wrong division he'd have to play the owner with some super stud twice. DIVISION ALIGNMENT HAS TO BE FINALIZED BEFORE THE DRAFT. I'd be more inclined to error on the side of since the error was not discovered until after games had been played then it is too late to change it. We have the same kind of rule in most of my leagues about Elias Bureau stat changes. If they are not identified before the kick off of the next week's game then they are ignored regardless of how significant they might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 no way do you take a win away from someone who set their lineup vs a certain opponent. Ill tell you this, if I have a cream puff opponent, I play it alot more conservative than if Im playing a bad ass team. So to change this now after week 1, is certainly not fair. Once kickoff of the first game, its too late to change anything now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Of all the "my league is cocked up how do I fix it?" threads this has to be the best. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmaddock Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Forum members, Thanks for your opinions on this subject. I do not know how it happened, but our league definitely has a problem. Concerning how it affects myself, if the schedule changes to the way it should have been, I win this weekend. If it stands, I will probably lose. I told my commish that I was okay with whatever solution he comes up with. I have been only in this league 2 seasons, so I pretty well let things stand with out double-checking anything (like rosters, schedules, division assignments, scoring, etc.). I run another league which I have been commish of for at least 5 years and so spend lots of time double-checking the previously mentioned items before the season starts, mainly because I am a very anal, detailed person who does not like to make mistakes. I told my commish that if it were up to me, I would correct the division assignments and go with it, but I am okay with ever solution he decides to place into action. Thanks again for your help and opinions. PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Both have strong justifications: 1. The rules are clear - divisions are based on draft order. 2. In the absence of clear rules ("tradition" doesn't count - written rules do), the lineups were set on Thursday and any changes like this can't be executed after lineups - it would change who started whom and that can't be done post hoc. Whatever he does, he can't be a kitty cat. He needs to make the decision and stick the hell to it. Either way he's going to have people cry, so as long as he has a pair he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussMan Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Take a league vote and move on. 1. Leave divisions they way the are and move on. or 2. Put teams in the proper divisions (no changing lineups) let the chips fall and move on. The end. Our league had a similar incident when we first started using MFL. We generated the schedule before we assigned teams to the proper division. As such the schedules where not what they should have been (balanced play by division). We voted to go with the schedule the way it is. No crying, just win and move on was the unanamous sentiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 ... but I always have my assistant commissioner double check. ghey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P1Day1 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I don't think the divisions are a problem at all, the only potential problem I can see is if you use some weird schedule. In the normal 12 team leagues I am in, you play division foes twice and everyone else once. If that's the type of schedule you have then nobody faced a week one opponent that they wouldn't have played anyway at least once during the year. Count week one, straighten out the divisions, and then the Commish must manually create the remaining schedule taking into account the teams that have already played each other in week 1. Now if you have some unusual schedule, without cross divisional matchups, then you might be in trouble. But like a lot of people said above, if the divisions and schedules have been posted for weeks on your site and noone noticed it until now........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBJPO01 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Take a league vote...Democracy rules. Either keep em as is, or change them. those are your choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 The problem with taking a league vote is that teams who will win when they would have lost wil vote in favor of a re-alignment. Teams who will lose when they would have won will vote against the re-alignment. And there will be heavy resentment felt by those that come out on the losing end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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