hooknladder Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I was surprised S.Merriman was not in the Huddle's top 50. There were posts in the p-season regarding LB's and I did'nt even want to bring up his name...(a guy in my league is constantly scouring these boards). I had Vilma last year and my whole league was conviced I would take him again. (we just started 1 DEF keeper this year after 12 yrs. of IDP) -but I knew Vilma was going to go fast, so I set my sites on Merriman. I gotta hand it to you guy's on Demeco Ryans though...I barely knew who this kid was until you guys turned me on to him. i walked out of a very competitive, vey expirienced, IDP 8 man draft w/ Ray-Ray, Merriman, Morgon and Ryans. Report card: B+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Do you think he's going to get 6 solo's and 3 sacks a game? I own him and got great value for him, but if you think they're going to play the Raiders every week....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooknladder Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 I'm aware that they played the Raiders...I did'nt draft him because I thought he'd be playing the Raiders every week...-I drafted him because I believe he's going to be a top-10 LB. Obviously Gil you saw something there too. The unnecessary sarcasm is always appreciated though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Do you think he's going to get 6 solo's and 3 sacks a game? I own him and got great value for him, but if you think they're going to play the Raiders every week....... I'm aware that they played the Raiders...I did'nt draft him because I thought he'd be playing the Raiders every week...-I drafted him because I believe he's going to be a top-10 LB. Obviously Gil you saw something there too. The unnecessary sarcasm is always appreciated though. My guess is that Gil was referring to the fact that a lot of his value last week was the three sacks (which in turn counted for three tackles) and that those sacks were due in large part to the crap that is the Raider's o-line. Merriman is unlikely to have many more three sack games. But I don't want to speak for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooknladder Posted September 13, 2006 Author Share Posted September 13, 2006 My guess is that Gil was referring to the fact that a lot of his value last week was the three sacks (which in turn counted for three tackles) and that those sacks were due in large part to the crap that is the Raider's o-line. Merriman is unlikely to have many more three sack games. But I don't want to speak for him. -so you don't think he's a top-10 LB? I don't care what he did against the Raiders...he's always around the ball and I think he's top-10, with or without the Raiders. I had him top-10 PRIOR to the start of the season.(as I stated above) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 (edited) I'm aware that they played the Raiders...I did'nt draft him because I thought he'd be playing the Raiders every week...-I drafted him because I believe he's going to be a top-10 LB. Obviously Gil you saw something there too. The unnecessary sarcasm is always appreciated though. -so you don't think he's a top-10 LB? I don't care what he did against the Raiders...he's always around the ball and I think he's top-10, with or without the Raiders. I had him top-10 PRIOR to the start of the season.(as I stated above) you said it more then once(merriman will be a top 10 LB) I will say these things only once: 1. You are CRAZY 2. Merriman wont be a Top 10 LB fantasy wise this yr or most likely ever at his current position(unless you have some crazy ass scoring system that doesnt count tackles at all) 3. Merriman is a beast and his impact on a NFL level could be very well unprecedented, however his impact fantasy wise wont hold a candle to his NFL accomplishments. 4. Could you list your TOP 10 LBs oh and hook can you hughmore me and tell me what you expect merriman to accumulate statwise this yr(tackles/assists/sacks/FF/FR/PDs) TIA Edited September 13, 2006 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 -so you don't think he's a top-10 LB? I don't care what he did against the Raiders...he's always around the ball and I think he's top-10, with or without the Raiders. I had him top-10 PRIOR to the start of the season.(as I stated above) Yup. He won't even finish in the top 20. He's an OLB in the 3-4. To oversimplify things, he's a pass rusher. you said it more then once(merriman will be a top 10 LB) I will say these things only once: 1. You are CRAZY 2. Merriman wont be a Top 10 LB fantasy wise this yr or most likely ever at his current position(unless you have some crazy ass scoring system that doesnt count tackles at all) 3. Merriman is a beast and his impact on a NFL level could be very well unprecedented, however his impact fantasy wise wont hold a candle to his NFL accomplishments. 4. Could you list your TOP 10 LBs oh and hook can you hughmore me and tell me what you expect merriman to accumulate statwise this yr(tackles/assists/sacks/FF/FR/PDs) TIA What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 (edited) you know what this would be great for others to chime in with their predictions: I will throw out a stat line for everyone to work off of: 80 Tackles 30 Assists 16 Sacks 4 Forced Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 2 Passes Defended so that is 110 total tackles and 16 sacks with a couple of dislodged balls and a couple batted passes for good measure so will Merriman put up better or worse(BoW) stats? If you say better where do you increase them? If you say worse where do you decrease them? Edited September 13, 2006 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooters Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Merriman had a great game, but as others have said won't even finish top 30. Perhaps even top 40. Merriman essentially= Joey Porter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 Merriman had a great game, but as others have said won't even finish top 30. Perhaps even top 40. Merriman essentially= Joey Porter. I grabbed Merriman in a league that gives 3 points for sacks but only .5 points for tackles and none for assists. In that format I think he has an edge over the stud MLBs, or is at least just as valuable. He'll get a lot of sacks, a fair number of tackles, plus he's a playmaker who is a good bet for the occasional FF, PD, etc. I think Porter is a good guy to grab in that type of format also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 (edited) I grabbed Merriman in a league that gives 3 points for sacks but only .5 points for tackles and none for assists. In that format I think he has an edge over the stud MLBs, or is at least just as valuable. He'll get a lot of sacks, a fair number of tackles, plus he's a playmaker who is a good bet for the occasional FF, PD, etc. I think Porter is a good guy to grab in that type of format also. care to venture a guess as to what his stats will be? and yeah with your scoring system he would be top 10(as long as he gets 60 solos and 10 sacks) Edited September 13, 2006 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazysight Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I would think Merriman would be moved to MLB once Donnie Edwards is all through there (either by trade or age). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 I would think Merriman would be moved to MLB once Donnie Edwards is all through there (either by trade or age). I'd be shocked. He's an edge pass rusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 you know what this would be great for others to chime in with their predictions: I will throw out a stat line for everyone to work off of: 80 Tackles 30 Assists 16 Sacks 4 Forced Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 2 Passes Defended so that is 110 total tackles and 16 sacks with a couple of dislodged balls and a couple batted passes for good measure so will Merriman put up better or worse(BoW) stats? If you say better where do you increase them? If you say worse where do you decrease them? I don't see him averaging 5 solos a game...I'd guess: 60 tackles 20 assists 15 sacks whatever else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted September 13, 2006 Share Posted September 13, 2006 care to venture a guess as to what his stats will be? and yeah with your scoring system he would be top 10(as long as he gets 60 solos and 10 sacks) Last year he had 10 sacks and 43 tackles in 15 games as a rookie. He looks just as dominant if not more so, and already has 3 sacks. He gets to play Oakland again, plus KC twice and some other crappy teams so I'd say 14-16 sacks is a good bet. Tackles are hard to predict but 50 plus the 16 sacks would make me happy in this format. The occasional PD, FF, etc will be icing on the cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooters Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 I would think Merriman would be moved to MLB once Donnie Edwards is all through there (either by trade or age). This may be the worst post in this thread. First of all SD doesn't play a 4-3 the play a 3-4 which means that Sd does not have a MLB. Edwards plays the ILB position. Secondly, when Edwards gets traded or leaves over the offseason Matt Wilhelm will take over his position. Merriman is only as dominant as he is because he is faster and quicker than the o-lineman that he needs to blow by. Merriman shedding a blocker and chasing down a RB isn't going to happen from the ILB position...ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 I can't throw stats out there like Keggerz...never been good at that. The sarcasm came from an "I told you so and the Huddle didn't" tude that I read into....if that wasn't there, my apologies. I picked up Merriman as the 4th LB in the draft we did for the magazine this year. He was clearly listed as a sleeper by me in that write up and he was the 48th LB taken and that was value. I see the guy in most formats being a high impact, low consistency type of producer, and he will certainly be in the Top 50, maybe the top 15, but more likely 18-24 IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 This may be the worst post in this thread. First of all SD doesn't play a 4-3 the play a 3-4 which means that Sd does not have a MLB. Edwards plays the ILB position. Secondly, when Edwards gets traded or leaves over the offseason Matt Wilhelm will take over his position. Merriman is only as dominant as he is because he is faster and quicker than the o-lineman that he needs to blow by. Merriman shedding a blocker and chasing down a RB isn't going to happen from the ILB position...ever. i think Stephen Cooper and Tim Dobbins might have something to say about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooknladder Posted September 14, 2006 Author Share Posted September 14, 2006 you know what this would be great for others to chime in with their predictions: I will throw out a stat line for everyone to work off of: 80 Tackles 30 Assists 16 Sacks 4 Forced Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 2 Passes Defended so that is 110 total tackles and 16 sacks with a couple of dislodged balls and a couple batted passes for good measure so will Merriman put up better or worse(BoW) stats? If you say better where do you increase them? If you say worse where do you decrease them? I really don't know why I should reply to you. You are always oppositional, so this is an exercise in futility...but here goes...- I would say a few more tackles and a couple less sacks. he will probably have a couple more FR and maybe a couple int's. He may even score. In my league tackles=1, FR=4,INT=4,FF=2,PD=2,safety=10,INT or FR for TD=12, first 2 sacks =2 if you get 3 or more, then all the sacks for that game become 3. I believe in our system, which is very old and pretty standard, if he stays healthy, he'll be top 10 or close...certainly top 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 I really don't know why I should reply to you. You are always oppositional, so this is an exercise in futility...but here goes...- I would say a few more tackles and a couple less sacks. he will probably have a couple more FR and maybe a couple int's. He may even score. In my league tackles=1, FR=4,INT=4,FF=2,PD=2,safety=10,INT or FR for TD=12, first 2 sacks =2 if you get 3 or more, then all the sacks for that game become 3. I believe in our system, which is very old and pretty standard, if he stays healthy, he'll be top 10 or close...certainly top 50. i am not always oppositional but I will call out something if i dont agree with it and ask that person to prove what they are saying.... and if you really think merriman will exceed 80 tackles you are crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobayashi Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 you know what this would be great for others to chime in with their predictions: I will throw out a stat line for everyone to work off of: 80 Tackles 30 Assists 16 Sacks 4 Forced Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 2 Passes Defended so that is 110 total tackles and 16 sacks with a couple of dislodged balls and a couple batted passes for good measure so will Merriman put up better or worse(BoW) stats? If you say better where do you increase them? If you say worse where do you decrease them? That is a sickly good stat line. That stat line would likely be top ten. 80 solo tackles is insanely good for a 3-4 OLB. 16 sacks is a huge season. Both are possible with Merriman's talent but in most scoring systems that stat line is threatening the top ten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoBeast Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 Take away the sacks and you got 3 solos. He's a risky start in leagues weighted towards the tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 14, 2006 Share Posted September 14, 2006 That is a sickly good stat line. That stat line would likely be top ten. 80 solo tackles is insanely good for a 3-4 OLB. 16 sacks is a huge season. Both are possible with Merriman's talent but in most scoring systems that stat line is threatening the top ten. i know that stat line approaches top 10 thats why i used it...to further show that I think he wont come close to top 10 because he wont come anywhere close to those tackle numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooknladder Posted September 15, 2006 Author Share Posted September 15, 2006 i know that stat line approaches top 10 thats why i used it...to further show that I think he wont come close to top 10 because he wont come anywhere close to those tackle numbers o.k. Keg. I guess you got it all figured out. Six tackles per game, (very attainable), times 16 games = 96 tackles. Throw in turn-overs, sacks, and scores, (plus FF,PD)...I say top-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooters Posted September 15, 2006 Share Posted September 15, 2006 i think Stephen Cooper and Tim Dobbins might have something to say about that They can say anything that they want but they don't have that decision. Matt Wilhelm will get first crack at the job. If he fails then it is open to competition, but the job is Wilhelm's when it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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