Cyclones Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Our league used IDPs and awards standard IDP points. Conversely, if an offensive player records a defensive stat, that player is also awarded the points, for example, if a QB throws an interception and a WR makes the tackle, the WR gets one point. We have a problem in the way things are being scored by ESPN, and yesterday it became the difference in a game result. Deuce McAllister recovered his own fumble, and in the NFL Gamebook, it has him credited with a Fumble Recovery. That is 2 points in our scoring system and gave Deuce's owner a 103-102 win. My team was not involved in this game, so I am pretty neutral on it. I figure by the end of the season these bogus points will largely even out for most teams, but the owner on the wrong end of this is asking the commish (again, not me) to overturn the two points. What should he do? He is leaning toward letting it be and allowing ESPN to score the games as they like, which is fine by me, because again, I think it will all even out in the long run. The guy who scored 102 is all pissed off today and is really pushing to have it changed. What's the best decision? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ts Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Depends I guess on the exact wording of your league rules ... one might argue for example that unless there was a change of poss. on the Deuce fumble (ie a GBP had poss at 1 time after the original fumble) Deuce was not yet a "defensive" player thus is not entitled to any fumble recovery points. If however, any fumble recovery (in any stuation) is worth points as defined by your rules, then I guess Deuce should get those points. You (or the commish) may also want to use this as a chance to ensure that all of your published scoring rules are compatible with the capabilities of the ESPN.com site and that the site is properly configured to support those rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Unless you are in a brand new league, this has HAD to come up before. Check back at least week's stats....I know from watching the game that David Carr recovered his own fumble when he was sacked during the Eagles game. And yesterday, Burress fumbled and it was recovered by his teammate Tim Carter in the endzone. Check your league stats....was the Carter owner credited with a TD AND a fumble recovery? Usually, fumble recoveries should only be credited if there is a cahnge of possession. By looking at your stats from last week, you should be able to figure out what the right answer is. And whatever it is, it has to stay the same for this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 Unless you are in a brand new league, this has HAD to come up before. Check back at least week's stats....I know from watching the game that David Carr recovered his own fumble when he was sacked during the Eagles game. And yesterday, Burress fumbled and it was recovered by his teammate Tim Carter in the endzone. Check your league stats....was the Carter owner credited with a TD AND a fumble recovery? Usually, fumble recoveries should only be credited if there is a cahnge of possession. By looking at your stats from last week, you should be able to figure out what the right answer is. And whatever it is, it has to stay the same for this week. This is our first year using ESPN, we always used MFL in the past. It was consistent across all players, Carter got credited with a fumble recovery, and Warner got 3 of them. The commish has ruled, he says all scores stand as ESPN reportst them. We'll see what happens the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 This is our first year using ESPN, we always used MFL in the past. It was consistent across all players, Carter got credited with a fumble recovery, and Warner got 3 of them. The commish has ruled, he says all scores stand as ESPN reportst them. We'll see what happens the rest of the year. Terrible rule you guys have in place. So what your saying is this: If Larry Johnson gets whacked in the backfield, bobbles the ball on the way to the turf, then lands on it, thus recovering his own fumble...he gets two points??? Terrible. I've never seen a rule like that....so the fact that Warner recovered three of his own fumbles gives his owners SIX extra points? That's a joke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Terrible rule you guys have in place. So what your saying is this: If Larry Johnson gets whacked in the backfield, bobbles the ball on the way to the turf, then lands on it, thus recovering his own fumble...he gets two points??? Terrible. I've never seen a rule like that....so the fact that Warner recovered three of his own fumbles gives his owners SIX extra points? That's a joke... Yeah, that's bizarre. Are there only negative points for fumbles lost, not just fumbles in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 Yeah, that's bizarre. Are there only negative points for fumbles lost, not just fumbles in general? Yes, in MFL we had it set up so that only a Fumble that resulted in a change of possession resulted in positive/negative points. On the negative sign, its still the same, if you fumble but your team retains possession, no lost points. However, espn.com is scoring 2 points for any fumble recovery, no matter if possession changed or not. Bad rule I agree. I guess we are stuck with it until next year, when it'll be back to MFL. ESPN sucks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 (edited) Yes, in MFL we had it set up so that only a Fumble that resulted in a change of possession resulted in positive/negative points. On the negative sign, its still the same, if you fumble but your team retains possession, no lost points. However, espn.com is scoring 2 points for any fumble recovery, no matter if possession changed or not. Bad rule I agree. I guess we are stuck with it until next year, when it'll be back to MFL. ESPN sucks! That sucks. Edited September 18, 2006 by Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted September 18, 2006 Author Share Posted September 18, 2006 That sucks. I do have Warner though, and maybe his average will take a 2 point hike by the end of the year. Already 8 points so far on cheap Fumble Recoveries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paxacha Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 Unless you are in a brand new league, this has HAD to come up before. Check back at least week's stats....I know from watching the game that David Carr recovered his own fumble when he was sacked during the Eagles game. And yesterday, Burress fumbled and it was recovered by his teammate Tim Carter in the endzone. Check your league stats....was the Carter owner credited with a TD AND a fumble recovery? Usually, fumble recoveries should only be credited if there is a cahnge of possession. By looking at your stats from last week, you should be able to figure out what the right answer is. And whatever it is, it has to stay the same for this week. why would anyone blame espn? the fault is just with the scoring system. we use espn and it lets you award/penalize points for fumbles, fumbles lost, and fumble recoveries, so if you just make fumbles -2 and fumble recoveries +2, it makes perfect sense. in that tim carter example, there was no change of possession, but if you're awarding points for recovering a fumble at all, then that's definitely a huge play that deserves just as much credit as any other recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 True, but it offers no differentiation between COP fumble recoveries and recoveries by the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 You went from MFL to ESPN? LOL @ U! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 You went from MFL to ESPN? LOL @ U! Thanks for the helpful insight, splash splashbag. Take your 5 digit member number back to FBG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitpdub Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 I left ESPN and brought the league I commish to MFL. ESPN has great graphics, but everything else is suspect. MFL has been great so far, and I havn't regretted switching. As for your issue, espn may not switch it, and your commish has the ability to making scoring changes manually. Espn may switch it later on, but in my experience have never been quick to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 If the comish says let ESPN score then its a done deal in my opinion. I do not like that rule at all. I don't think he should get points for his own fumble recovery - only change of possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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