Azazello1313 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 this is occurring in a local league i'm in with another huddler (thews) and a bunch of guys he works with. the commish is a guy i don't really know. so anyway last wednesday, through the league website, i agree to a trade where i acquire willis mcgahee for donovan mcnabb (i have palmer as well, and he was relying on carr/brunell). the league requires commish approval on all trades, and he was off cavorting on a long golf weekend or something and i guess he didn't get around to processing the trade until this (monday) morning. by the time saturday night rolls around and the trade still wasn't processed, i go ahead and set my lineup with ronnie brown and thomas jones. i was a little annoyed the commish was awol, but i didn't feel strongly enough about mcgahee (who ended up with 82 yards and 1 TD) over either jones (107 yards, 2 TDs) or brown (111 yards) to feel like i needed to post on the league message board that i wanted to start mcgahee or anything like that. i mean, i could have easily created a time-stamped post with the lineup i wanted to declare, but i didn't...i just went with brown and jones and figured i'd have mcgahee next week. so this morning the commish sees the trade and processes it. then he emails me asking who i would have started, and i said, basically, well if the trade was processed when i set my lineup i probably would have gone with brown and mcgahee, but it wasn't so that's beside the point. so he went in and changed my lineup retroactively, taking jones and his two-TD performance (which of course i was pumping my fist and cheering for last night) and plopping him on my bench. oh and guess who i'm playing against this week? yeah, the commish. don't know for sure that it changes the outcome...i was about 6 down with akers and the eagles D still to play tonight against jennings for him, now i'm about 15 down....so the chances are pretty good it DOES change the outcome. so, if you were in my shoes what would you do? make a stink? take the lumps? i'm a little pissed about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Do the rules cover a situation like this, a retro-active lineup change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BYoder Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) No way he goes in and changes your lineup after the fact. That is BS. I would definately make a stink about it. I bet he wouldn't have changed your lineup if McGahee had outscored Jones. Edited October 2, 2006 by BYoder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 this is occurring in a local league i'm in with another huddler (thews) and a bunch of guys he works with. the commish is a guy i don't really know. so anyway last wednesday, through the league website, i agree to a trade where i acquire willis mcgahee for donovan mcnabb (i have palmer as well, and he was relying on carr/brunell). the league requires commish approval on all trades, and he was off cavorting on a long golf weekend or something and i guess he didn't get around to processing the trade until this (monday) morning. by the time saturday night rolls around and the trade still wasn't processed, i go ahead and set my lineup with ronnie brown and thomas jones. i was a little annoyed the commish was awol, but i didn't feel strongly enough about mcgahee (who ended up with 82 yards and 1 TD) over either jones (107 yards, 2 TDs) or brown (111 yards) to feel like i needed to post on the league message board that i wanted to start mcgahee or anything like that. i mean, i could have easily created a time-stamped post with the lineup i wanted to declare, but i didn't...i just went with brown and jones and figured i'd have mcgahee next week. so this morning the commish sees the trade and processes it. then he emails me asking who i would have started, and i said, basically, well if the trade was processed when i set my lineup i probably would have gone with brown and mcgahee, but it wasn't so that's beside the point. so he went in and changed my lineup retroactively, taking jones and his two-TD performance (which of course i was pumping my fist and cheering for last night) and plopping him on my bench. oh and guess who i'm playing against this week? yeah, the commish. don't know for sure that it changes the outcome...i was about 6 down with akers and the eagles D still to play tonight against jennings for him, now i'm about 15 down....so the chances are pretty good it DOES change the outcome. so, if you were in my shoes what would you do? make a stink? take the lumps? i'm a little pissed about it. If what I put bold is exactly what you said he has absolutely no right to change your lineup..The fact that he left the league in limbo including trades and possibly waivers is all I need to know about this guy as commish..If im ever away for any reason I give commish access to another owner I trust..Id be very cautious of a guy asking that question monday after the games are played..If he asked the guy I was playing and changed the lineups after I though I was playing a specific lineup and saw no timestamped message from that guy I would go through the ceiling.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddy Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 He shouldn't change the lineup. Bunch of BS. Actually, I think the trade offer is off the table once lineups are due for the week and the teams can decide if they still want to trade the following week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 like you said.. if you were compelled to start willis, you would have posted it. you elected not to. not sure what the other guy did with regard to mcnabb, but i don't think it's good policy to approach owners after the fact with regard to "who they would have started." i think your original lineup should stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 If the situation is as you say I would not appreciate it and bring it to his attention.tell him what you basically told us. If he did not change it then I would drag the whole league into it. if that don't work I would not want to be part of that league and tell them so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 If what I put bold is exactly what you said he has absolutely no right to change your lineup..The fact that he left the league in limbo including trades and possibly waivers is all I need to know about this guy as commish..If im ever away for any reason I give commish access to another owner I trust..Id be very cautious of a guy asking that question monday after the games are played..If he asked the guy I was playing and changed the lineups after I though I was playing a specific lineup and saw no timestamped message from that guy I would go through the ceiling.. +1 Did the other guy complain? I probably has an affect on him as well, especially if he started Brunell. Yes the trade was accepted and waiting for commish approval, but once the games start and those guys are in your lineup I think the trade is put on hold until the following week. The Commish should also have verified with both teams that the trade was still in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 like you said.. if you were compelled to start willis, you would have posted it. you elected not to. not sure what the other guy did with regard to mcnabb, but i don't think it's good policy to approach owners after the fact with regard to "who they would have started." i think your original lineup should stand. In that case, I would have benched Alex Smith last week and picked up a QB with a pulse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downwithdisease Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 This is one of the most unjust moves I have EVER seen by a commish. You need to protest this to the fullest possible extent. Even if he could retroactively change your roster, you were PROBABLY going to start mcgahee. That does not mean your were going to start him. If this is a money league and he does not change it, I would demand that I get money back. This guy has no business being a commish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorcher Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 This is totally wrong, and as far as rules go ,you shouldn't need rules based on an absentee commish. After reading posts like this I feel lucky to be in the leagues I'm in. The commishes are always on top of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Since you made no post or other official indication to change youe starting lineup beforehand, what you put in should stand. If the scoring went opposite, you should not have been able to change it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 (edited) Flat out, you should not commish if you can't do the deadlines. If the trade was't processed by the correct time it should be null and void for the week. Whatever lineups the teams posted through the league's system should stand. I would make exception to this if you had taken the following actions. If I had been in the situation and wanted this trade legal for this week, I would have called the other owner and together emailed the league. I would have stated our trade, the line ups we wanted to use if the trade had been approved, and the reason why the email was necessary because of the neglect of the commissioner to his duties. This way you would have had a time stamped record of all the aspects of the situation. Bad deal, bad commissioner. Edited October 2, 2006 by Coyote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 +1 Did the other guy complain? I probably has an affect on him as well, especially if he started Brunell. Yes the trade was accepted and waiting for commish approval, but once the games start and those guys are in your lineup I think the trade is put on hold until the following week. The Commish should also have verified with both teams that the trade was still in play. i don't see anything worng with the trade. owners would need to specifiy who of the new players they would start (via email, message board, voicemail, whatever) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 If McGahee had went off to the tune of 200 yards and 3 TDs I expect he wouldn't be so inclined to make a retro-active change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Your commisioner is what we commonly refer to around here as a "momofektard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I'd raise a fuss. He thinks he can make up rules as he goes along. If the trade wasn't processed, then the line submitted stands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanCT Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Did the previous mcgahee owner have him in his lineup as well? How would the crooked commish handle that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thews40 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Az, He asked you who you would have started, and you said Brown and McGahee. McGahee was a given, so that leaves either Brown or Jones. Brown should have done better against Houston, and all the commish wanted to know who you would have started. We left Thursday for a poker/golf weekend, so it's why it went undetected. Another thing to note is the scoring/playoff system. Everyone makes the playoffs. The big money goes to #1 and #2 in total points, and the only thing you gain by being top two in the division is a week 13 and 14 bye. What if McGahee got hurt? What if Jones stunk it up? It all comes down to your word, and that's all that defines what should happen. This league is about 10 years running and we're all friends. If you would have started Brown/McGahee, then it turned out like it should have. JMHO, and I assure you there wasn't an after-the-fact commish manipulation going on. He took you for your word... that's how life should work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 there sure are a lot of f'd up leages and f'd up commishes out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Make a stink. Definitely make a stink. It sucks when controversy arises in a league (especailly when you don't know the people very well) but this is just wrong on his part. Don't just allow it to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T_bone65 Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Lineup should remain as submitted. Not your fault that he wasn't around to process the trade. What did he do with the person you traded with lineup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Az, ...who you would have started... Would have, could have, should have. The trade was not acknowledged by the league (commissioner or other) prior to the start of play yesterday. Therefore, it had not taken place prior to the start of play. Which means there was no trade as far as the league was concerend. You need to get a new Commissioner, or a new league. Lame league alert... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 Az, He asked you who you would have started, and you said Brown and McGahee. McGahee was a given, so that leaves either Brown or Jones. Brown should have done better against Houston, and all the commish wanted to know who you would have started. We left Thursday for a poker/golf weekend, so it's why it went undetected. Another thing to note is the scoring/playoff system. Everyone makes the playoffs. The big money goes to #1 and #2 in total points, and the only thing you gain by being top two in the division is a week 13 and 14 bye. What if McGahee got hurt? What if Jones stunk it up? It all comes down to your word, and that's all that defines what should happen. This league is about 10 years running and we're all friends. If you would have started Brown/McGahee, then it turned out like it should have. JMHO, and I assure you there wasn't an after-the-fact commish manipulation going on. He took you for your word... that's how life should work. Yes Az, its your fault! If the commissioner does his job, Az might have stared at his lineup and done one of those last minute changes we have all done that we usually regret. You do not know what would have happened. The commish is wrong and the lineups should stand as if nothing took place, because nothing did take place. The commish did not hold up to his responsibilities and Az has nothing to apologize for. He could have been more proactive about getting the situation out there but under the rules he shouldn't have too. Commish should be fired. Apologies to all owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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