theeohiostate Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I'm in a league where the commish just traded away Kevin Jones and Marvin Harrison for S. Alexander. I was not involved in the deal, nor do i commish or co-commish the league. Now i don't see any problem with this deal whatsoever, and the leagues rules state all trades will be processed unless proof of collusion ( which for all intense purposes means nothing) Now, i'm laughing my ass. off cause there are several owners threatening to quit the league next season because these two made a deal. I'm using this thread to sound off to those owners that feel this trade is so unfair that they'd resort to quitting. Seems like they're a bunch of f'ing to me. Firstly what do you think of the deal based on the players themselves, Secondly, what advice would you give to the owners whining about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Trade doesn't look lopsided. Must be something else they aren't telling you or you're not telling us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 Trade doesn't look lopsided. Must be something else they aren't telling you or you're not telling us. nope, they feel that although the commish has the power to approve all other trades, that if he makes a trade the league should vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monster2333 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 The trade looks fine to me. I don't see any reason other owners would need to vote on this. Now if it was Kevin Jones for Marvin and Alexander, it'd be a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Quit the league? I'd throw those Megan Foxbags out of the league for crying about that trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 nope, they feel that although the commish has the power to approve all other trades, that if he makes a trade the league should vote So they are threating to quit not because of the trade itself but how the trade was handled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Which team do they think got the better end of this deal? If they would quit over this deal, then what's to stop them from pulling the same kind of blackmail for any other trade? This is a fine trade. I say call their bluff. If they decide to quit over this trade, then the league will be better off next year with other owners that actually have a grip on reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I am the commish in this league. On Sunday before kick-off an owner offered me Alexander for Fitz and K. Jones. I left the trade on the table and of course when Fitz got injured, He withdrew his offer. Knowing that he needed a receiver and another back, I offered him last night K. Jones and Harrison. He accepted. I now have LT and Alex and Fitz on my team. That is what they are pissed off about. They said I am cheating ( which it is their friend I traded with. I have no idea who the owner is other than their friend.) They said that I am stacking my team since I am the commish and my brother Cincy Slammers is in my league. Well him and I have made no trades, but they sure have traded with him and his team looks mighty nice right now. Bottom line is, from day one we have had trouble with 3 owners thinking everyone cheats. I am beginning to think that maybe they are young teens and do not know oh poopy about fantasy football. ALEXANDER is HURT people. I am willing to give up two good players and take my chance on him. If he comes back healthy, so be it. If he doesn't come back healthy then I just wasted my season away. Thanks for listening and just to let you know....I made it very clear at the beginning of the season that ALL trades will be approved if no collusion was involved and it was not so lopsided of a trade. I am going to post this on my message board after a few responses so feel free to chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 It has been written before in these pages, and will no doubt be written again that a commish (I have run a league for 10+ years now) will be held to a higher standard than the other owners...and rightly so. The owners will vote with their feet if they don't like the way the commish handles things, right or wrong. Personally, I gracefully bowed out of a league one of my friends began 4 years ago, after he won the opening season. Later, I learned that he also won the next two years as well. I left simply because I had a "bad feeling" about how the league went that first year, and valued our friendship above my competitiveness. Nothing specifically bad happened, but I knew if I stayed in, there could be problems because we are both very competitive. He is still in my league, though, and works to pull the strings as much as he can. I put most of his ideas to league votes, and for the most part, they are shot down. I figure he has his own league, so if he wants to play Dr. Frankenstein in that one, it's his right so long as the members of his league play along. I found myself in another league with him this year, and had to bit my tongue when I saw he dealt Willie Parker for Rudi Johnson (adds Rudi to a backfield that already has LT). Point is, if the owners don't like the way a commish runs his league, they won't be back--even if they are his friends. With that in mind, a commish should always think about trades he/she makes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) Voting on trades is lame. People are going to vote in whatever way helps them out the most... not based on any real standard. This trade is fine. Especially fine if it's a keeper league or if the SA recipient has sufficient depth or a good enough record to weather the next few weeks and still have a good shot at playoffs. Voting on trades is a terrible terrible idea. Edit: since the commish posted, clearly he has sufficient depth to make it through the next few weeks. The other owners should be pissed... I bet their teams suck compared to his. But... that's not collusion. Edited October 11, 2006 by AtomicCEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 nope, they feel that although the commish has the power to approve all other trades, that if he makes a trade the league should vote Well, if there's no rule specifically stating that a commish trade has to be voted on, why should they demand one now? I agree that the commish will always be held to a higher standard and his/her moves will be scrutinized more closely. That being said, there's nothing wrong with this trade or how it went down. Trades are left on the table all the time and then are changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 It has been written before in these pages, and will no doubt be written again that a commish (I have run a league for 10+ years now) will be held to a higher standard than the other owners...and rightly so. The owners will vote with their feet if they don't like the way the commish handles things, right or wrong. Personally, I gracefully bowed out of a league one of my friends began 4 years ago, after he won the opening season. Later, I learned that he also won the next two years as well. I left simply because I had a "bad feeling" about how the league went that first year, and valued our friendship above my competitiveness. Nothing specifically bad happened, but I knew if I stayed in, there could be problems because we are both very competitive. He is still in my league, though, and works to pull the strings as much as he can. I put most of his ideas to league votes, and for the most part, they are shot down. I figure he has his own league, so if he wants to play Dr. Frankenstein in that one, it's his right so long as the members of his league play along. I found myself in another league with him this year, and had to bit my tongue when I saw he dealt Willie Parker for Rudi Johnson (adds Rudi to a backfield that already has LT). Point is, if the owners don't like the way a commish runs his league, they won't be back--even if they are his friends. With that in mind, a commish should always think about trades he/she makes. So cowboys, if I understand you correctly, the trade would be fine as long as it did not invlove the commish. Well, isn't that disrimating against the commish. I would allow that trade to go through in any league whether it involved me or not. I think too many people get too caught up in BIG NAMES and not what a player is doing or if they are injured or anything else. I respect your opinion, but disagree with your reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirate Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I'm in a league where the commish just traded away Kevin Jones and Marvin Harrison for S. Alexander. I was not involved in the deal, nor do i commish or co-commish the league. Now i don't see any problem with this deal whatsoever, and the leagues rules state all trades will be processed unless proof of collusion ( which for all intense purposes means nothing) Now, i'm laughing my ass. off cause there are several owners threatening to quit the league next season because these two made a deal. I'm using this thread to sound off to those owners that feel this trade is so unfair that they'd resort to quitting. Seems like they're a bunch of f'ing to me. Firstly what do you think of the deal based on the players themselves, Secondly, what advice would you give to the owners whining about it? Doesn't sound like it should be a problem? tell them they are a bunch of cry babies!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 nothing wrong with this trade and a commish should not have to be held to ahigher standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 So cowboys, if I understand you correctly, the trade would be fine as long as it did not invlove the commish. Well, isn't that disrimating against the commish. I would allow that trade to go through in any league whether it involved me or not. I think too many people get too caught up in BIG NAMES and not what a player is doing or if they are injured or anything else. I respect your opinion, but disagree with your reasoning. It may sound unfair to the Commish, but perception is reality. I've been in multiple leagues for many years, and can only speak from experience on this one. It sounds like the situation here is with a new league and some anyonymous owners (i.e. the teenagers reference). Also, we don't know what the financial stakes are. And, I agree that SA isn't what he was last year. In fact, I had opportunities to draft him in 2 leagues and passed on him in both of them mainly because of losses on the SEA o-line. If you are comfortable with all the owners in your league, they will know if you are ethical when making your moves, and then you have more freedom. If, however, you are running a league that has people you do not know well, and you plan to keep it going for several years, then you do have to consider these things, fair or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popeye Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 It may sound unfair to the Commish, but perception is reality. I've been in multiple leagues for many years, and can only speak from experience on this one. It sounds like the situation here is with a new league and some anyonymous owners (i.e. the teenagers reference). Also, we don't know what the financial stakes are. And, I agree that SA isn't what he was last year. In fact, I had opportunities to draft him in 2 leagues and passed on him in both of them mainly because of losses on the SEA o-line. If you are comfortable with all the owners in your league, they will know if you are ethical when making your moves, and then you have more freedom. If, however, you are running a league that has people you do not know well, and you plan to keep it going for several years, then you do have to consider these things, fair or not. Well I am not comfortable with half of the team owners. I do not know them. It is a 12 team league, $50.00 keeper league where you have to keep 3 players from any position. I personally know 6 team owners but the other 5 owners came from another guy I am in a league with. The other 5 have did nothing but lady dog and complain about everything since the beginning of the season. It seems to me that they stick together which is fine, but it is also very evident that they are very eager to jump on me for anything. To be honest 2 of them are 4-1 and I am 3-2. Irregardless, the trade is very fair and ethical and it was made with one of them. I hate to sound like I am dividing us up, but my 6 friends feel the same as I do. They are sick of the constant complaining and accusations of cheating going on. Personnally I am fed up with it myself and if they so desire to leave the league......More power to them. It would be a much better league in my opinion to have owners that trust you rather than slam you for stupid crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Yeah, Popeye, I guess you made my point for me with that last post. For right or wrong, perception is reality. You're pretty much in a no win situation there until that league gets some time and legs under it. And, yeah, one guy complaining a lot, or even a couple, is manageable. When you have half the league doing it, for right or wrong, it becomes a huge pain in the ass to run things. Hang in there & good luck with those guys. Hopefully it will get better before the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Now, i'm laughing my ass. off cause there are several owners threatening to quit the league next season because these two made a deal. Invite them to quit. This league could use better owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Invite them to quit. This league could use better owners. I'll take a spot in this league if one quits. Sounds like you guys could use some SEC blood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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