LooGie Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2629555 at least someone agrees with me that the play calling sucked. Even if it was ugh....Denny Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Looks like they missed the right target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hezagenius Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 ...Jim Fassel's available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 What does this have to do with the play-calling? Doesn't Denny have the right to over-ride anything that the OC calls in? For all we know, Rowen may have been calling in nothing but pass plays in the second half. Unless Kruczek can teach the O-line to block and the punt return team to tackle, this isn't going to change much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSupe4You Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Looks like they missed the right target. And thats a big f'n target to be missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelhead Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 What does this have to do with the play-calling? Doesn't Denny have the right to over-ride anything that the OC calls in? For all we know, Rowen may have been calling in nothing but pass plays in the second half. Unless Kruczek can teach the O-line to block and the punt return team to tackle, this isn't going to change much. Agreed. I think it was an irrational move that solves nothing. Denny needs to leave before his head explodes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burton164 Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I am no expert and I no they missed alot of opportunities (off & def). But I thought they had a solid gameplan for scoring on chicago. The Quick passes out of the shotgun seemed pretty effective. I dont know what the hell happened in the 2nd half. I fell asleep. I thought they would hold on to the rock for dear life and let the clock tick... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Agreed. I think it was an irrational move that solves nothing. Denny needs to leave before his head explodes. Exactly. Denny should've at least waited until he cooled down before making an important personnel decision like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Looks like the Herm Edwards coaching philosophy is catching on... after a bad loss, blame it on someone else, throw him under the bus and make it look like it wasn't your fault at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) I am no expert and I no they missed alot of opportunities (off & def). But I thought they had a solid gameplan for scoring on chicago. The Quick passes out of the shotgun seemed pretty effective. I dont know what the hell happened in the 2nd half. I fell asleep. I thought they would hold on to the rock for dear life and let the clock tick... Maybe Denny called it the first half, and the OC bucked him in the second... Sure would explain why he was so incensed... but you would think he would have nipped it in the bud quickly... Edited October 17, 2006 by cre8tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 What does this have to do with the play-calling? Doesn't Denny have the right to over-ride anything that the OC calls in? For all we know, Rowen may have been calling in nothing but pass plays in the second half. Unless Kruczek can teach the O-line to block and the punt return team to tackle, this isn't going to change much. Do the calls go through Denny? Does he know what they are? If not he should before firing the OC. He could've just kneeled down every play and forced the Bears O to win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Looks like the Herm Edwards coaching philosophy is catching on... after a bad loss, blame it on someone else, throw him under the bus and make it look like it wasn't your fault at all. Get over Herm already. You should be glad he took your clowns to the playoffs a few times during his tenure. Billick just did the same to Fassel and the Ravens are 4-2. The pressure is on for the Cardinals to perform at 1-5 so you knew changes were going to be made whether right or wrong. The Cardinals are really close to turning the corner with tough losses to KC, St. Louis and now the Bears. It's a long way up from the bottom of the barrel. I hope Green gets this year and next to right the ship because it's definately going in the right direction. If he doesn't, some lucky coach is going to come into a good situation and look like a genius when this team takes off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Get over Herm already. You should be glad he took your clowns to the playoffs a few times during his tenure. Billick just did the same to Fassel and the Ravens are 4-2. The pressure is on for the Cardinals to perform at 1-5 so you knew changes were going to be made whether right or wrong. The Cardinals are really close to turning the corner with tough losses to KC, St. Louis and now the Bears. It's a long way up from the bottom of the barrel. I hope Green gets this year and next to right the ship because it's definately going in the right direction. If he doesn't, some lucky coach is going to come into a good situation and look like a genius when this team takes off. Miami fans... what a joke. I can't comment on Edwards' propensity to throw people under the bus when other HC's start to do it too? Get over yourself, and you're lousy team's 1-5 record under that guru named Saban. Busting on Jets fans isn't going to make yer sorry team 5-1. But, I can understand the Phins' fans hatred of the Jets, because they own your lousy team. Our "kid coach" just beat your saviour, Saban, and the whining is very entertaining. Miami Dolphins, last place, AFC East, with very little hope of catching Buffalo at this point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charty Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 (edited) The Cardinals are really close to turning the corner with tough losses to KC, St. Louis and now the Bears. It's a long way up from the bottom of the barrel. I hope Green gets this year and next to right the ship because it's definately going in the right direction. If he doesn't, some lucky coach is going to come into a good situation and look like a genius when this team takes off. That corner must have turned out to be a u-turn and they're actually heading in the wrong direction. They are as close to turning the corner as your Dolphins. Edited October 17, 2006 by charty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 That team scored 23 points on the best D in the league and the OC gets canned? I certainly do not agree with this. They should blame the line coach for not telling the right tackle to protect the blind side. The fumble by Edge is just a great play by Urlacher, and the punt return for the TD is a special teams issue. OC got screwed on this deal, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 Exactly. Denny should've at least waited until he cooled down before making an important personnel decision like that. it was completely a move to sacrifice somone and have a scape goat. (is that how you pronounce/spell it?) He might've bought himself some more time with that little juke. However, you have to admit, (not beating a dead horse) when Leinart was in the 2 minutes drill, he was calling the plays at the line, doing GREAT, and then, they reach FG range and (2nd and 2 or 3 I believe) and then those 2 running plays up the gut came from the sideline. If Denny doesn't call the plays (which he doesn't) whoever did, needed to take a hit. It's a simple fact. Plus, if the entire NFL and its fans are questioning your coaching skills, you need to do SOMETHING to protect yourself. p.s. Not arguing Denny Green or anything about that, again, simply making a new observation that happens to coincide with our earlier debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Green will have his turn after Arizona gives the Raiders their first win of the season this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) it was completely a move to sacrifice somone and have a scape goat. (is that how you pronounce/spell it?) He might've bought himself some more time with that little juke. However, you have to admit, (not beating a dead horse) when Leinart was in the 2 minutes drill, he was calling the plays at the line, doing GREAT, and then, they reach FG range and (2nd and 2 or 3 I believe) and then those 2 running plays up the gut came from the sideline. If Denny doesn't call the plays (which he doesn't) whoever did, needed to take a hit. It's a simple fact. Plus, if the entire NFL and its fans are questioning your coaching skills, you need to do SOMETHING to protect yourself. p.s. Not arguing Denny Green or anything about that, again, simply making a new observation that happens to coincide with our earlier debate. The "simple fact" is that the former OC didn't fumble the ball twice, blow punt coverage, or miss a 40-yd field goal. But he did put up 23 points against the best defense in the league. You've probably also noticed that the majority of the people in this thread disagree with your flawed analysis. Edited October 18, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Agreed. I think it was an irrational move that solves nothing. Denny needs to leave before his head explodes. Play calling didn't fumble twice and let a punt go back all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 The "simple fact" is that the former OC didn't fumble the ball twice, blow punt coverage, or miss a 40-yd field goal. But he did put up 23 points against the best defense in the league. You've probably also noticed that the majority of the people in this thread disagree with your flawed analysis. You're just unreal. The fact is, I dont agree he should've been fired. i believe Denny should've been fired. Look around you. Everyone knows the play calling was ass. EVERYONE! Every single analyst on sirius NFL radio. Every single analyst on reputable sports sites. You're the odd man out here, which is ALWAYS the case with you. He didn't get fired because of the gameplan. he didn't get fired because a crappy showing against a great defense. HE GOT FIRED BECAUSE THE PLAY CALLING SUCKED!!!!! WAKE UP! You truly are clueless in every single debate you've ever had on here. Truly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 (edited) You're just unreal. The fact is, I dont agree he should've been fired. i believe Denny should've been fired. Look around you. Everyone knows the play calling was ass. EVERYONE! Wrong. Just read the other responses in this thread. Jim Rome disagrees with you as well. He didn't get fired because of the gameplan. he didn't get fired because a crappy showing against a great defense. HE GOT FIRED BECAUSE THE PLAY CALLING SUCKED!!!!! WAKE UP! Yeah, the play-calling sucked so badly that they put up 23 points against the best defense in the league. He got fired because Denny's team got embarrassed on MNF, Denny made it worse after blowing up in the post-game interview, and Denny needed to deflect blame. You truly are clueless in every single debate you've ever had on here. Truly. Not only do you know crap about football, but you have the debating skills of a 10-year-old. Edited October 18, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LooGie Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 Wrong. Just read the other responses in this thread. Jim Rome disagrees with you as well. Yeah, the play-calling sucked so badly that they put up 23 points against the best defense in the league. He got fired because Denny's team got embarrassed on MNF, Denny made it worse after blowing up in the post-game interview, and Denny needed to deflect blame. Not only do you know crap about football, but you have the debating skills of a 10-year-old. ok, here's what's going to happen. I'm going to say something right now that makes perfect sense, and you're going to to totally ignore it, because that's what you've been doing since I came on this board. It's what you do. Here we go, ready? The 23 Points were scored BEAUTIFULLY. What a marvelous and magnificent gameplan. (Probably ALL the offensive coordinators doing right? Probably NOT Denny Green right? k.) Now, the play calling went SOUTH when they started running. Am I saying "they should've aired it out with a rookie vs the #1 defense"? NO. Am i saying they should NOT have continued to run UP THE GUT (herein referred to as "the same god damned running play.") time and time and time again with absolutely no success? Yes. I've said this already 3 times, and you've just sidestepped it because it proves my point and proves you know nothing about...well really anything. but here it goes again... A simple end around, a screen pass, a shovel pass, a SWING PASS, a mis direction, a FB fake, EVEN A SIMPLE TOSS TO EDGE JUST A SIMPLE GOD DAMNED TOSS is all they needed. If they tried even just 2 other running/quick pass to the HB plays, I would have nothing to say about the play calling. Nothing, zip zero zilch. Oh wait, yes I would. Because when Leinart (the rookie, yes ROOKIE VS THE #1 BEARS D) was driving in the 2 minute drill, calling the plays himself at the line he marched them down to FG range. It was 2nd and short, and *BAM* 2 more plays FROM THE SIDELINES get called in. What were they? I'll give you 1 guess. Yup. Running plays between the tackles. THE SAME GOD DAMNED RUNNING PLAY. A 41 yarder is certainly makeable, but it's not a gimme. It's not a chip shot. Should he make it or be out of a job if he can't? Yes. Should they have called those 2 SAME GOD DAMNED RUNNING PLAYS that WERE NOT WORKING the 34 first times they called it? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. did they go into conservative mode too early? I think so, but you could make a case that up by 20 in the 3rd is not too early. Going up against clearly the best team in the NFL (even if they looked like one of the worst) in my opinion means you go for the throat, and never let up. However, you could make a very strong case in favor of going conservative. However, you cannot, SIMPLY CANNOT, tell me that the idea behind "conservative football" is the same exact running play time and time again that IS NOT WORKING AT ALL. In fact, you could take a knee and get the exact same yardage. And at least not risk a fumble. You could QB sneak it for 3 series in a row, and do the EXACT same "conservative football". With 17 minutes still on the clock, you need to be a little more creative. Just a little. Now, when you fumble and get the ball stripped, both returned for TDs, going 3 and out is simply NOT an option. And the idea of running the same god damned running play 3 times in a row should get you shot right the sidelines. In Arizona it doesn't. In fact, that's EXACTLY what they did. The OC and HC stood there and called those same god damned running plays and watched Edge lose yardage AND THEN watched a punt get returned for a TD and watched them go down by a one point. Ok. It happens. I guess. Time to goto work. Green: "Rookie, drive on the bears IN ANY WAY POSSIBLE" Rookie: "Ok coach. watch me go" (A few minutes later) Green: "Hey, we made FG range, the kid actually did it!" "It's 2nd and [short]" OC: "The same god damned running play." Green: "Sounds good to me, we got this thing in the bag. We got the most automatic kicker in the 11th dimension (who did happen to miss last week, and already miss one tonight) so i'm comfortable putting the entire game on his back again. For a 40 yarder. Besides, we got the 'Edge'. (2 seconds later) Green: "Sh!t. 3rd and medium. Anyone expecting that? Me neither." "wow. totally caught me off guard" OC: "The same god damned running play." Green: "Sounds good to me, we got this thing in the bag. We got the most automatic kicker in the 11th dimension (who did happen to miss last week, and already miss one tonight) so i'm comfortable putting the entire game on his back again. For a 40 yarder. Besides, we got the 'Edge'. (2 seconds later) Green: "Sh!t. 4th and medium. Anyone expecting that? Me neither." "wow. totally caught me off guard" OC: "Yah, I reall would've like to get Rackers a little closer, but you know, if our kicker can't make a 40 yarder, he shouldn't be in the NFL" (30 minutes later) Green: "THE BEARS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE...WE LET EM OFF THE HOOK...GO HEAD AND CROWN THEY ASS..." Is the play calling the reason they lost? No. Was it terrible? Absolutely. Was everything that happened Denny Green's fault? Yes. Did he miss that block that caused the fumble? No, but did he beef up his offensive line in the off season? No. Did he forget his fundamentals and not hold on to the football so it would get stripped by Urlacher? No. But did he allow the same god damned running play to be called? Yes. Did he blow the special teams coverage? No. Did he allow the same god damned running play to be called 3 times in a row for a 3 and out to punt that ball back to a team that was TRULY fired up now? Yes. Did he miss that FG? No. Did he allow the same god damned running play to be called twice on the final drive for no apparent reason? Yes. And in every single one of those cases above, is it his job, and his job alone to motivate players so these things don't happen? Yes. Could ALL of these been avoided by simply motivation players in the proper way? Yes. Except what? OH YAH. THE SAME GOD DAMNED RUNNING PLAY. No run along and pretend you didn't just read this post. Pretend it was never said, that way you can still wax ignorant. It really works well on you. to the bears fans. I am not taking anything away from this game. I give that defense all the credit in the world. it was a spectacular game on your part and you deserved the win, ESPECIALLY after creating those game changing plays RIGHT WHEN IT MATTERED. Right when the oppurtunity was there. And I actually thank you, because hopefully, you will get Denny Green fired. It's a shame he pinned all the blame on his OC, but hopefully the bidwells are too smart for that, and have him on the choppiing block already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 We are in desperate need of a catfight graemlin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 We are in desperate need of a catfight graemlin. I can think of a few more we could use. :sigh: :middlefinger: :suckit: :die: :youhavegottobeOprahkingkiddingme: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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