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I want to keep the parties in this thread confidential, because this is a BOTH league and I want honest opinions from the huddle masses.

 

 

This is a Dynasty League where the team with the worst record gets the highest rookie draft choice the following year. This is an IDP league, with contract years. Each team has 90 contract yrs available for 35 players. You do not have to use all 90 contract years, or 35 players on yoru active roster, its just the limit.

 

Each offseason a year falls off each contract freeing up 35 contract year to re-sign other players, or draft picks. Each team has a 12 man taxi squad, for players that have been drafted in the last 2 yrs can sit without a contract, but can not be inserted in your lineup, until they are given a contract and activated on your active roster.

 

Ok this is the situation. A team is starting the following lineup each week, after trading off all of its assets from its active roster. This team has Reggie Bush, and AJ Hawk on his taxi squad but refuses to activate them and start them, instead is taking zeros at those positions, as well as Qb, starting Senca Wallace each week of the season to date. This team won week 1, miraculously, but has traded off even more assets to make his team worse for this year. He says he is not tanking, even though he is not competitive, and is using strategy saving Reggie Bush and Aj Hawk on his taxi squad. Its his opinion they are worth more in trade there, than if he gives each a 7 or 8 yr contract. This owner has open roster spots and over 20 contract years available to sign each of those players to 11 yr deals if he chooses, but continues to refuse to do so.

 

This was his starting lineup last week, taking zeros at 4 key positions, and would have been 5, had Matt hassleback not got hurt, giving Seneca Wallace 2.8 pts.

 

Wallace, Seneca SEA QB 2.80

Faulk, Kevin NEP RB 1.60

Williams, Shaud BUF RB 0.00

Chatman, Antonio CIN WR 1.40

Davis, Andre' BUF WR 0.00

Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR 6.90

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE 6.40

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK 9.00

Stroud, Marcus JAC DT 0.00

Allen, Jared KCC DE 16.00

Kiwanuka, Mathias NYG DE 0.00

Arrington, Lavar NYG LB 10.50

Poppinga, Brady GBP LB 4.50

Surtain, Patrick KCC CB 12.00

Demps, Will NYG S 6.50

Taylor, Sean WAS S 16.00

 

 

This is this teams lineup from week 6, where he took 4 zeros, even starting a player who isnt on an NFL team, Clarence Moore at Wr.

 

 

Wallace, Seneca SEA QB - 0.00

Williams, Shaud BUF RB - 0.00

Chatman, Antonio CIN WR 2.30

Davis, Andre' BUF WR 2.00

Moore, Clarence FA WR - 0.00

Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR 5.70

Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 0.00

Gould, Robbie CHI PK 6.00

Gregg, Kelly BAL DT 16.00

Allen, Jared KCC DE 8.00

Kiwanuka, Mathias NYG DE 4.00

Arrington, Lavar NYG LB 2.00

Ulbrich, Jeff SFO LB 13.00

Bullocks, Josh NOS S 7.00

Demps, Will NYG S 2.00

Taylor, Sean WAS S 19.50

Starter Total: 87.5

 

 

 

This was the team this owner had a year ago, in week 13, the last week of the regular season. A vast difference than the team this year, wouldnt you say.

 

Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB 8.90

Dillon, Corey NEP RB 16.40

Glenn, Terry DAL WR 11.20

Holt, Torry STL WR 10.50

Kennison, Eddie KCC WR 12.80

Ward, Hines PIT WR 28.70

Smith, L.J. PHI TE 6.60

Kaeding, Nate SDC PK 11.00

Henderson, John JAC DT 13.00

Strahan, Michael NYG DE 17.50

Bockwoldt, Colby NOS LB 12.00

Brown, Mark NYJ LB 8.00

Pierce, Antonio NYG LB 21.50

Chavous, Corey STL S 8.50

Holt, Terrence DET S 0

Taylor, Sean WAS S 11.50

Starter Total: 198.1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is it tanking that he is intentionally taking zeros for the benefit of a higher draft pick, or is this wise strategy to suck so bad for one year and rebuild as this owner claims. Our rules state you can not tank, yet this owner is circumventing these rules, by trading everything away, so he has no choice but to suck in order to get the 1st pick in the draft, in every round. Our rookie draft is not a snake draft. Its worst to first in every round.

 

 

Please give opinions.

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He's tanking. People should be allowed to be stupid, but trading everything out, keeping starting players on a taxi squad and then explicitly stating he's trying to get the #1 pick, which you can only do by losing is definite tanking. Yes people can have long term aims, trade studs out for prospects, but you have to still try and win games; he's admitted he isn't.

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The more complicated the plimbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain?

 

With all the thought that was clearly put into the structure, was there any consideration about measures to be implemented to prevent this from happening?

 

Also, is he an original owner, thus sleeping in a bed he made, or has he inheirited this squad from someone else?

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I have nothing to hide, that is MY TEAM

 

anyone care for me to explain my position and strategy feel free to PM ME or visit our forum

 

if you dont know what forum then PM me and I will tell you.

 

 

oh and before you rush to judgement, you should read our RULES too

 

This league assigns CONTRACTS and once a player is at 1yr on his contract that APRIL he becomes a RFA(Restricted Free Agent) when that happens team use LEAGUE MONEY to bid on those players

 

For the most part I sold off players that had 1 yr deals....

 

i am not going to get into this on the mb any more then i already have, but if you truly want to know what I am thinking etc...PM ME

 

 

oh and clarence moore was waived 9:33 on week 6, i happend to miss that, but as sarge said in our forum we all make mistakes like that.

 

 

Ravens | C. Moore waived from team

Sun, 15 Oct 2006 09:33:12 -0700

 

Baltimore Ravens WR Clarence Moore has been waived from the team.

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I have nothing to hide, that is MY TEAM

 

anyone care for me to explain my position and strategy feel free to PM ME or visit our forum

 

if you dont know what forum then PM me and I will tell you.

 

 

I've been to build-a-bear. Full of cheaters and flimflammers.

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He's tanking. People should be allowed to be stupid, but trading everything out, keeping starting players on a taxi squad and then explicitly stating he's trying to get the #1 pick,

I HAVE NEVER SAID THAT. NEVER...and until last weekend I wasnt even the FAVORITE TO GET 1.1, before you start making statements feel free to go and read our rules about our DTS and how our contracts read...if you are interested PM me for the link

 

which you can only do by losing is definite tanking. Yes people can have long term aims, trade studs out for prospects, but you have to still try and win games; he's admitted he isn't.

I also have NEVER stated I wasnt trying to WIN NEVER

 

 

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While it can be seen as tanking, I can see why he is doing it (not tanking, but rather not activating his players).

 

If he can't win, then it is more benficial to him to keep those two on his taxi squad. Its a contract issue. The players can basically be given an extra year's contract (because chances are that they aren't going to help him this year).

 

There's a fine line, but I do not feel that this has anything to do with getting a higher draft pick. Its all about the contract years.

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While it can be seen as tanking, I can see why he is doing it (not tanking, but rather not activating his players).

 

If he can't win, then it is more benficial to him to keep those two on his taxi squad. Its a contract issue. The players can basically be given an extra year's contract (because chances are that they aren't going to help him this year).

 

There's a fine line, but I do not feel that this has anything to do with getting a higher draft pick. Its all about the contract years.

 

 

 

If that were true, then id see your point, but each player could be given a huge 10 yr contracts, with the available cap space, so that is a moot point. This is all about draft picks, unfortunately.

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Using a taxi squad to rebuild is a generally accepted practice in dynasty leagues. To what extent is the practice acceptable is the question here, I think. I took over an awful orphaned dynasty team, and am using the practice squad to keep some of my rookies tucked away until next year. In the meantime, for me, I felt I still had to field a team that had a chance to win as much as possible. I am also shopping players for picks and league cash as well. It's definitely a gray area.

 

I think it's a question best handled within the league though. Each league has different dynamics and owners. What flies in one league may not fly in another. I don't think a commish should be able to demand a player be activated, but the anti tanking rules in most leagues probably needs to be clarified. It can get complicated. What if an owner only has a few contract years left in the bank?

 

Allowing the use of the taxi squad to rebuild makes it much easier to find replacement owners who can at least see some light at the end of the tunnel when an awful team gets orphaned. This owner is trying to rebuild in one year it seems with a very aggressive plan. In the meantime, it does give the other teams in his division something of an unfair advantage for this year. Still, I think it's a league issue. Just how much can a team do in an attempt to rebuild? Tough issue to quantify imo.

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While it can be seen as tanking, I can see why he is doing it (not tanking, but rather not activating his players).

 

If he can't win, then it is more benficial to him to keep those two on his taxi squad. Its a contract issue. The players can basically be given an extra year's contract (because chances are that they aren't going to help him this year).

 

There's a fine line, but I do not feel that this has anything to do with getting a higher draft pick. Its all about the contract years.

 

 

This is a league matter, and we should let the league handle it as they see fit. That being said, it brings up interesting points to discuss, for all leagues that face similar situations. If the rules state that the owner must make every effort to field a valid starting lineup, and the owner has players on his taxi squad that he could bring up but won't because of contract issues, and as a result starts players that aren't playing, is that tanking? That my friends, is the question.

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I didnt mention Kegs name for a reason. I wanted unbiased opinions. He came in here to defend himself, because he obviously felt he had to. This is a league issue, and Im not trying to get this forum to vote on any action. I simply wanted opinions of this behavior from other huddlers. Thats it.

 

Thanks for those who have given your opinion.

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I am in a similar situation in a dynasty league, before this season even started, i traded awasy all my good picks and veterens for future rookie picks and this season rookie picks. I have a helluva taxi squad and some great picks already for next season.

 

I'd like nothing better then to finish dead last this season to secure a #1 pick next season, and while i think this is a good stategy for me , i just do what this owner is doing. Every week, i start my best possible players , fortunately i've lost all my games still, but i feel good about playing my best players . I don't think it's right for a team to tank to be honest, but that's a moral question more so then a league question, imo.

 

I have chosen to play my best players, but if i didn't i wouldn't expect anyone to care, maybe they would, but i don't want to find out.

 

 

And Sarge, if you have a forum for this league it should be handled there. I've had a few issues in a couple BOTH leagues and have refrained from bringing them to the big board out of respect to the league and to the other huddlers, take not on that. :D

 

I've had several commish questions this season, but it's more in jest as they've all been directed solely at both my bros and i can get away with not insulting them anymore then i do in person.

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And Sarge, if you have a forum for this league it should be handled there. I've had a few issues in a couple BOTH leagues and have refrained from bringing them to the big board out of respect to the league and to the other huddlers, take not on that. :D

 

 

 

 

Some are definately missing the point here. I intentionally didnt mention this owner, the league, and didnt throw anyone under the bus. So Im not sure you read the whole post, or understand the intent of the post.

 

I asked a simple question, based on the facts above, is this owner tanking. Im not trying to disrespect my league in any way. How could I have, if I didnt mention the league in the first place. Keg made this into a circus, by trying to defend his actions. I simply wanted outside opinions, thats it.

 

Again, thanks for the opinions.

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I find it incomprehensible that anyone in a league with Sarge would have any league issues, or that it could possibly spill into this forum.

 

 

 

This isnt one owner having league issues, in fact its a quarter of the league publically saying this isnt right, and a few others saying that dont agree with it, but what can you do. One owner, has even said he is leaving at seasons end because of this, which I dont necessarily agree with. I just wanted outside opinions as well as similar stories that may have happened in other leagues, and how it was handled.

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On a more serious note, I can state from experience this year that I have sold off some of the major assets of my dynasty team for draft picks. I traded Torry Holt & Jake Plummer to a contender for Donald Driver and entire 8 round 2007 draft except his 2nd rounder, and then two days later traded Tiki Barber for a 1st rounder to another contender.

 

I thought I had a championship team built before this season but opened 0-6 in the first 4 weeks, so I dropped some old vets for the opportunity to rebuild around my younger studs next year.

 

That said, I understand selling off older assets for draft picks alters the way the league plays out this year but received fair value (at least in my and my trading partners' minds), and I also will note that after the trades I've won 2 of 3 games starting my best possible lineup of what is left on my roster, which has compromised my draft position since I've now moved up the standings with the wins.

 

I could have justified tanking, since there is no specific rule against it. I won't tank because its black-and-white unethical, it would affect the standings of the other teams, and it would set a terrible precedent that would certainly be addressed in the off season by my fellow owners for the simple reason that it is wrong. I feel a strong obligation to the league to start the best lineup of the players remaining on my roster. I've brought up a couple of young players from my taxi squad to fill the roster positions who are scoring decently and have started them, helping me win those 2 games.

 

If FF is so important to you that you would compromise principled behavior and the ethos of good sportsmanship in order to win in this or later years, my advice to you is to give up FF, seek counseling, and find another hobby where you don't have to make moral decisions involving others - maybe gardening or raising sea monkeys.

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OK so here is a look into my strategy/thought process IT IS VERY LONG but I tried to give as much insight as to what I was doing as possible. If you have any comments good or bad thats fine. If you could care less then move along.

 

This just happens to be one of my favorite leagues & its a 16 team IDP Dynasty league with 35 rosters and 12 player Rookie Taxi Squads

it is also a contract league, we get $50/yr every year after RFA and the money can carry over.

Starting requirements: 1QB, 1RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2Flex(RB,WR,TE), 1K, 2-3DL, 2-3LB, 2-3DB(tot. 8 def starters)

tackles 2pts, assists 1pt, sacks 2pts, int2pts, PD1.5pts, offensive scoring is perfor with ppr...

 

History:

2003 was the leagues first year and my first draft pick was:

Corey Dillon at 1.13 followed by William Green at 2.4 :wall:

I went on to win my Division in year 1 but got bounced in the playoffs mainly because of a monster game by Portis

2004 & 2005 my team was besieged with injuries

2006 I decided its time to rebuild...i sorta tried to retool in 05 and got hammered with injuries and was gonna retool in 06 but decided to do a complete and total tear down and rebuild from the ground up:

 

This is what my last starting lineup of 2005 looked like:

contract length is what it was after the last game.

Hasslebeck(1)

Dillon(RFA)

Holt(2), Kennison(1), Ward(RFA), Glenn(RFA)

LJ Smith(5)

Kaeding(3)

Strahan(RFA), JHenderson(RFA)

Pierce(6), Bockwoldt(3),MarkBrown(1)

STaylor(8),Chavous(1), THolt(RFA)

also note that Ray Ray(2) & Winslow(8) were both on IR

My DTS at the end of last yr looked like this:

Mauck, Pickett, VanPelt, Seneca Wallace

Shaud Williams, Quincy Wilson

McCune, Jared Newberry

Josh Bullocks, Considine, Rashad Washington, Fabian Washington

Here is a list of some notable players that will be availabe in RFA this coming year:

QBs: Hasslebeck, Brees & Delhomme

RBs: Tiki, Edge, Thomas Jones, Barlow, Betts & Rhodes

WRs: Chad Johnson, Boldin, DJax, Plaxico, Bryant, Kennison, Galloway & Bruce

TEs: Heap, Shockey & Gonzo(we can start 2 TEs and they get 1ppr everyone else gets .5/recp)

DLs: Osi, Suggs, JTaylor, Burgess, Freeney, Kapmann, Mathis & Kevin Williams

LBs: Bulluck, Witherspoon, MPeterson, Briggs, Fletcher, ZachT, June, DEdwards, PisaT, LMarshall, Crowell & Brooks

DBs: Adrian Wilson, Rhonde, Polamalu

 

I currently have the most money to spend in RFA and will give each teams totals at the very end.

 

 

so here is a chronicle of the rebuild...I will refer to my team as TEAM R(for rebuild) and I have changed the team names since there is no need to divulge who they are on the Main Board.

contracts will be listed (x) after players names

 

1st deal was back in March:

Trade 1

KEG gave up Lewis, Ray BAL LB(2)

Team Left Coast gave up Ulbrich, Jeff SFO LB(2); Rook pick 8.11

& $9

 

back in march i was leary of Ray being able to return to his former self and conversely expected big things from Ulbrich this year(boy was I wrong)...I figured if Ulbrich really blew up I would be able to deal him for good value or with at least have a decent LB the following year...cash was because I was going to target Lamont Jordan in RFA...overall I think I lost on this deal and would have gotten much more for Ray Ray now vs then...but it was a piece of the puzzle that lead me to decide to do the complete tear down.

 

after the Ray Ray trade I started to look long and hard at my team and what I saw was a bunch of guys with one year contracts and some talented RFAs....so I i pondered do i make a move in this years RFA and try for a one year run at the title again(that didnt work so well last yr) or do I go into rebuild mode...it wasnt an easy decision but with only Corey Dillon(RFA) as my only RB my future didnt look bright so the rebuild was on...i started shopping everyone on my roster and the following are trades that took place...at the end I will post what my team looks like now...

 

Trade 2

KEG gave up the RIGHTS to Strahan, Michael NYG DE(RFA)

Team Coffee sends $4.

 

Strahan was an RFA(restricted free agent, owner has matching rights) and his age didnt fit with my rebuild so I figured I would deal him for some cash for future aquisitions

 

Trade 3

KEG gave up RIGHTS to Ward, Hines PIT WR(RFA)

Team Dawgs gave up $7

 

Note that Ward was anohter RFA and I really didnt like the pitt offense going forward and figured Ward would cost to much to keep in RFA, getting $7 for his rights was a very nice deal

 

Trade 4

KEG gave up Kennison, Eddie KCC WR(1)

Team Crush gave up Rook pick 2.13, Rook pick 4.14

& $5

 

Kennison was on a one year deal so I figured I should get as much value out of him as I can because I figured that a decline was very possible this yr, so I looked for a team that was weak at WR but looking to challenge for their div title.

 

Trade 5

KEG gave up Hasselbeck, Matt SEA QB(1)

Team Left Coast gave up Rook pick 1.11 and 3.11

& $3

 

Well considering Hasslebeck was my only starting QB, I was now at the point of no return. Could I have gotten more cash in the deal? Probably but overall I was pretty happy with the deal and 1.11 was used to help me move up and aquire AJ Hawk in our Rook Draft.

 

 

Trade 6

KEG gave up Dillon, Corey NEP RB(RFA);Holt, Torry STL WR(2);Henderson, John JAC DT(RFA)

Team Relocate gave up Engram, Bobby SEA WR(1)

Rook picks 1.1 and 3.1

 

The deal that netted me my RB of the future REGGIE BUSH...I was one of the guys that passed on LT for Bennett(different league) a few years ago...I wasnt a complete Bush disciple but I couldnt pass on him like i did on LT. It wasnt easy to deal Holt and his 2 yr contract(only he and Ray Ray had more then a 1yr contract in all my deals)

 

Trade 7

KEG gave up RIGHTS to Glenn, Terry DAL WR(RFA)

Team Coffee sends $2.

 

another RFA WR that didn't fit into my rebuild so getting something was better then letting him walk in RFA

 

Trade 8

KEG gave up Faulk, Marshall STL RB(1)

Team Midget sends $7

 

Well in his defense he owned SJAX and with me rebuilding he was the odds on fav to win our div and it was prior to any real bad news on marshall...i made out like a bandit on this deal

 

Trade 9

KEG gave up Engram, Bobby SEA WR(1)

Team Chef Boyardee gave up Moore, Clarence BAL WR(1) or DTS I cant remember

& $2

 

Engram wasnt gonna help me this yr, and i probably could have gotten more if i had waited until there was major worries about DJax knee.

 

Trade 10

KEG gave up rook pick 1.07 & 1.11

Team Midget gave up rook pick 1.04; 2007 Round 5 Draft Pick

 

I worked this trade and the next trade at the same time...i really wanted Hawk and was afraid he would go at 1.6...so all by itself i dont like this deal much but coupled with the next deal I think it worked out for me. However, in hindsight I would probably have passed on the next deal and taken maroney at 1.4

 

Trade 11

KEG gave up rook pick 1.04 & rook pick 3.01

Team Bourbon gave up rook pick 1.06; rook pick 1.16; rook pick 2.06; rook pick 5.06

 

pretty much summed up how i felt about this deal above...they were tied together and I wouldnt have agreed to one without having the other lined up.

 

Trade 12

KEGgave up Year rook pick 4.14 & 4.16

Team Tasty Cakes gave up rook pick 3.13

 

This trade was all about getting Derek Hagan, who I see being a very good #2 WR in MIA in a year or 2.

 

Trade 13

KEG gave up Haynes, Verron PIT RB(2), 2007 Round 3 Draft Pick

Team Crush gave up rook pick 3.14

 

Basically I was working trade 12 and 13 at the same time because I wanted 2 specific players Derek Hagan and Thomas Howard...also fwiw the Crush owner has FWP

 

 

Trade 14

KEG gave up McCune, Robert FA LB(DTS);Considine, Sean PHI S(DTS)

Team Bourbon gave up $3

 

This deal took place right before final roster declaration and I was going to cut both players from my DTS so getting $3 was worth it...in hindsight I kinda wish i had given considine a contract to see how he turns out...but DB is always deep so no worries.

 

Trade 15

KEG gave up Cundiff, Billy FA PK(1)

Team Clinton gives $1

 

Well cundiff was my 3rd kicker at the time and another team needed a 2nd kicker so I sold him for a buck and it was of course before he was cut by the pack.

 

Trade 16

KEG gave up $10

Team Clinton gave up RIGHTS to Chambers, Chris MIA WR(RFA)

2007 3rd and 2007 5th rook picks

 

This deal sorta came back to bite me in the butt for a bit, I basically wanted chambers as a building block for my recvrs and figured that if i owned his rights i would just be able to match the current high bid and be done..but we have a special rule that allowed the high bidder to up his bid... and he upped it to $28...now I am pretty heavily invested in Chambers so I couldnt let him walk and yet I didnt want to spend that much on him...so i matched and then started shopping him right after RFA finished up

 

 

 

Trade 17

KEG gave up Jackson, Tarvaris MIN QB(DTS)

Team Coffee gave up Croyle, Brodie KCC QB(DTS); Year 2007 Round 6 Rook Pick

& $3

 

I really like TJax upside but he is raw and I think Croyle has just as good an opportunity in front of him in KC, plus i get more money and a draft pick...whats not to like(lots if TJax pans out and Croyle doesnt, but my fingers are crossed)...add to that team coffee is a vikes fan

 

Trade 18

KEG gave up Burleson, Nate SEA WR(1);Chambers, Chris MIA WR(OPEN);Robinson, Koren GBP WR(1)

Team Clinton gave up Chatman, Antonio CIN WR;Davis, Andre' BUF WR;Johnson, Kevin FA WR

& $54

 

Well as I stated earlier I was gonna shop Chambers after RFA and for a bit I thought i was gonna have to keep him(remember I wasnt happy with what his cost was to me)...but then the team that initially gave up on him in RFA opened his wallet, and he did so in a big big way...to the tune of $54(we only get $50/yr). I didnt expect anything much at all from the dead weight WRs i got(but i did think Davis could have some value in Buff, looks like i was wrong)...all in all I am VERY happy with this deal.

 

Trade 19

KEGgave up Year 2007 Round 8 Rook Pick

Team Coffee gave up Gregg, Kelly BAL DT(1)

 

I needed to add a DL to my team for the year and was looking to add one without spending any cash on the wire. I didnt expect much from Gregg but he has been a nice player this yr.

 

 

Trade 20

KEG gave up Smith, L.J. PHI TE(5)

Team Coffee gave up Jackson, Vincent SDC WR(DTS);Scobee, Josh JAC PK(4);Kiwanuka, Mathias NYG DE(DTS); Year 2007 Round 3 Rook Pick, 2007 Round 5 Draft Pick

 

I hated giving up LJ Smith, I have been one of his biggest proponents the past 2 yrs, but my other WR is winslow who has an 8yr contract so i felt i had the ability to deal LJ Smith. What I loved was getting another WR that I think will be a beast in a year or so in Vincent Jackson then you have the upside of KIWI at DL(Jared Allen already on my roster) and a couple of extra picks. IMO a very nice deal, but it was good for both parties.

 

Trade 21

KEG gave up Pierce, Antonio NYG LB(6)

Team Goat Humper gave up Year 2007 Round 1 Rook Pick; Year 2007 Round 2 Rook Pick

& $25

 

This deal was also a hard one to do because Pierce is one of my favorite players but a team that is rebuilding finds it very hard to turn down a 1st and 2nd and $25. The team that got pierce really needed him, his team is anchored on offense by LT and ALexander yet he has never made the playoffs in this league, pierce seemed to be a piece that could help him get over that hump. This trade was pre-injury to Alexander.

 

Trade 22

KEG gave up Becht, Anthony TBB TE(1);Thornton, David TEN LB(1);Chavous, Corey STL S(1); Year 2007 Round 4 Rook Pick

Team Relocate gave up Wilson, Cedrick PIT WR(1);Arrington, Lavar NYG LB(2);Surtain, Patrick KCC CB(1)

& $12

 

Well thorton was playing so well I decided with bye weeks it was a good time to shop him, the team that dealt for him is 4-1(never made the playoffs before) and had some issues with the bye at LB & TE. He also happens to be playing another 4-1 team and one of them could end up winning the wild card leaving the other on the outside looking in. For me it was about the cash! The players i got were more to make the contracts work on his side more then anything else.

 

Trade 23

KEG gave up RGould (1)

Team Toke gave up JHanson (1) and $1

 

I already have NKaeding (3) and JScobee(4) under contract at the kicking position, i wanted to try and get some money for gould....i sent a PM to this owner, I accidentally typed in Hanson and $1 when I meant to type $2, but he resonded he would take the deal so I honored it...i knew at that point I was also going to try and turn hanson into $1 to net $2 on what would have been a player I would have let go for NOTHING in RFA

 

 

Trade 24

KEG gave up JHanson (1)

Team Midget gave up $1

 

There I was able to net $2 from my 3rd kicker position that would have just walked away in RFA(i wouldnt have wasted a dime to match a 3rd kicker with the needs i have)

 

Trade 25

KEG gave up KGregg (1)

Team Midget gave up BPoppinga (1yr) & $1

 

I was able to land a starting LB to help cover a bye issue as well as bank an extra $1 for a DL that is a having a banner year, DL are like TEs for the most part but getting something for him was better then nothing...I highly doubt I would have matched him in RFA this upcoming year if I didnt deal him

 

 

OK to help digest all that, if it was one huge trade it would look like this:

 

So when all is said and done I got the following:

$101net(recd 139 but sent 10 to Team Clinton, matched chambers at $28)

1.1, 1.6, 1.11, 2.6, 2.13, 3.11, 3.14, 5.6, 8.11

the following 2007 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th, 5th

Croyle(DTS)

VJackson(DTS), CWilson 1yr, CMoore(DTS,I think), AChatman 1yr, ADavis 1yr, KeJohnson 1yr

Scobee 4yrs

Kiwi(DTS), KGregg 1yr

Ulbrich 2yrs(who i had very high hopes for :D ), LArrington 2yrs , BPoopinga 1yr

Surtain 1yr

 

What did I give up?

1.4, 1.7, 1.11, 3.1, 4.14, 4.16

3rd, 4th and 8th round picks in 2007

Hasslebeck 1yr, Tavaris Jackson(DTS)

Dillon(RFA), Haynes 2yrs, MFaulk 1yr

Holt 2yrs, Kennison 1yr, Glenn(RFA), Ward(RFA), Chambers(OPEN), Krob 1yr, Burleson 1yr, Engram 1yr

LJ Smith 5yrs, Becht 1yr

Cundiff 1yr or open cant remember(but he did get cut), Gould 1yr/Hanson 1yr

JHenderson(RFA), Strahan(RFA)

Pierce 6yrs, Ray Ray 2yrs, Thornton 1yr, McCune(DTS)

Chavous 1yr, Considine(DTS)

 

So now what does my team look like today?

Nall(3), Seneca Wallace(2), Mike McMahon(1)

KFaulk(1), Shaud Williams(1), PPass(1)

Sinorice Moss(6),CWilson(1), CMoore(1),AChatman(1),ADavis(1)

Winslow(8)

Kaeding(3), Scobee(4)

JaredAllen(2), Kiwi(4), Stroud(2)

Arrington(2), Bockwoldt(3) Ulbrich(2), Poppinga(1)

STaylor(8), JoshBullocks(3), Shaun Williams(2), Demps(2), Surtain(1), Cedrick Griffin(3)

 

Chad Greenway is on IR with a 5yr Contract

 

My DTS:

KClemens, Croyle

Reggie Bush

Vincent Jackson, DHagan, Demitrius Williams, JWebb

AJ Hawk, THoward, Gaither, Alston, Jamar Williams

 

 

Ok now remember this group of upcoming RFA players:

Here is a list of some notable players that will be availabe in RFA this coming year:

QBs: Hasslebeck, Brees & Delhomme

RBs: Tiki, Edge, Thomas Jones, Barlow, Betts & Rhodes

WRs: Chad Johnson, Boldin, DJax, Plaxico, Bryant, Kennison, Galloway & Bruce

TEs: Heap, Shockey & Gonzo(we can start 2 TEs and they get 1ppr everyone else gets .5/recp)

DLs: Osi, Suggs, JTaylor, Burgess, Freeney, Kapmann, Mathis & Kevin Williams

LBs: Bulluck, Witherspoon, MPeterson, Briggs, Fletcher, ZachT, June, DEdwards, PisaT, LMarshall, Crowell & Brooks

DBs: Adrian Wilson, Rhonde, Polamalu

 

Here is a listing of what teams have for cash as of today(10/24/2006)and we wont get anymore cash until after RFA 2007. So if somone wants more cash they have to trade to get it from someone else:

 

I have $203

My divison mates have: $62, $48 & $36

The other div in my conf has: $55*, $42, $17, $9**

*Owns bullock, spoon, shockey and brees

** has no notable RFAs and a very very good team(SB favorite imo)

The other Conf has:

Div A

$110*, $71**, $45, $34

*owns Hasslebeck & TSuggs

** owns Edge, Delhomme & Boldin

Div B

$45, $44, $35, $28

 

as a whole there is currently: $884 of which I own 23%

I think that with the amount of money that I have along with my current DTS and the

draft picks I have next year(2-1sts, 2-2nds, 2-3rds, 4-5ths, 2-6ths & a 7th) that I should be able to

turn this team around rather quickly...If I am really fortunate maybe even be able contend for a playoff spot

next year.

 

As I have also stated in our Forum, there are legit reasons for not assigning Bush, Hawk etc contracts.

1. It will be easier to enterain a trade offer for one of them if they are on my DTS if someone wants to trade for them this year or if I wanted to try and trade one during our next rook draft...the point is they have more value being on a DTS then they do with a contract of any length...also fwiw I got burned twice on the 2 palyers I have assigned long term contracts to so suffice it to say I have reason to be cautious.

2. If i decide to try and deal during the rookie draft or in RFA those players will have greater value being on DTS.

3. I am not the 1st to have a player(s) on my DTS that was better then someone on the active roster.

 

Some may argue that i should pick up someone in FA...but we use a blind bid system and have to bid LEAGUE MONEY to aquire players in FA...League Money is an ASSET, why should I waste an asset on a scrub player? Trust me when I say our WW is thin! But I have made a couple of FA aquisitions this yr...one was early in the spring when i got NALL opening he would end up the starter in BUFF and he still might, another was for OMAR GAITHER a good prospect on my DTS.

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I didnt mention Kegs name for a reason. I wanted unbiased opinions. He came in here to defend himself, because he obviously felt he had to. This is a league issue, and Im not trying to get this forum to vote on any action. I simply wanted opinions of this behavior from other huddlers. Thats it.

 

Thanks for those who have given your opinion.

 

you put me between a rock and a hard place...i dont say its me I look like I am hiding, i say its me I look like i am trying to get people to change their tune...you dont really think people wouldnt have realized this was Fusion?

 

from this point on i have nothing more to say on the matter in a public forum, anyone wants to know anything else or ask me a questions shoot me a PM and I will gladly answer any and all questions off line

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