theeohiostate Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 CBS is showing Reggie Browns lateral to Buckhalter as a fumble. I was watching the game and it was obvious that McNabb threw the ball to Brown, he lateralled it to Buck who in turn ran it in for the score. Shouldn't this be a continuation of the pass play and count as a TD pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 CBS is showing Reggie Browns lateral to Buckhalter as a fumble. I was watching the game and it was obvious that McNabb threw the ball to Brown, he lateralled it to Buck who in turn ran it in for the score. Shouldn't this be a continuation of the pass play and count as a TD pass? Obvious? No way, I rewound it three times and that ball was coming out of his hands because he lost it not because he was going to lateral it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 12, 2006 Author Share Posted November 12, 2006 Obvious? No way, I rewound it three times and that ball was coming out of his hands because he lost it not because he was going to lateral it. Must be playing against a McNabb owner YES, it was very obvious. Even the announcers called it a lateral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baddfish2 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 I don't know, I was watching it but the TV was muted so I didn't have the anouncers take on it. I would say it was far from OBVIOUS, and I would have to further say that I think it was a fumble. I don't think Brown would have tried to knowingly lateral at that point ... Reid would have his rearend if it didn't work out... I vote for fumble. I don't have any of the involved players for or against me this week either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 It was a fumble as he lost control of the ball even if he may have seem to bat it towards Buckhalter. And it is a fumble recovery and return TD for Buckhalter, not a catch or a run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 (edited) it was clearly NOT a lateral, and even if it was mcnabb would not get the TD. (edit: would he? ) my question is, did reggie brown ever have full possession? i'm not sure he did. if he didn't, it's a mcnabb TD pass to buckhalter... anyone have this on TIVO or something that they could slow it down and take a look? Edited November 12, 2006 by Azazello1313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 if what twiley says is correct and Brown never had possession(i think thats what he said) then it cant be a fumble, it should be ruled like you would a tipped ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 Must be playing against a McNabb owner YES, it was very obvious. Even the announcers called it a lateral. That was a fumble. The ball popped out and he slapped at it a couple of times and then it bounced to Buckhalter. Are you returded? No announcer called it a lateral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 That was a fumble. The ball popped out and he slapped at it a couple of times and then it bounced to Buckhalter. Are you returded? No announcer called it a lateral. But if it never hit the ground is it a fumble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 But if it never hit the ground is it a fumble? Yes, hitting the ground is not a requirement for a fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted November 12, 2006 Share Posted November 12, 2006 it was clearly NOT a lateral, and even if it was mcnabb would not get the TD. (edit: would he? ) my question is, did reggie brown ever have full possession? i'm not sure he did. if he didn't, it's a mcnabb TD pass to buckhalter... anyone have this on TIVO or something that they could slow it down and take a look? I looked at it a few times and it looked like he barely had possession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 I looked at it a few times and it looked like he barely had possession. I have been reviewing it too, it appears he never had possession of the ball. He never had his feet down and made a football move, then it was tipped to Buck. I think the NFL rules it as a tipped ball, passing TD for McNabb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Have seen it numerous times here in Philly on replays, and it certainly looks like Brown never had it long enough and never made a "football move". If the ball would have hit the ground, (rather than popping up directly to Buck), it would have been challenged and called an incomplete pass. JMO, but I have a feeling this will be one of the plays that is adjusted by the NFL....expect McNabb to be credited with an additional TD pass and yardage, and Reggie Brown's fumble taken away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 Have seen it numerous times here in Philly on replays, and it certainly looks like Brown never had it long enough and never made a "football move". If the ball would have hit the ground, (rather than popping up directly to Buck), it would have been challenged and called an incomplete pass. JMO, but I have a feeling this will be one of the plays that is adjusted by the NFL....expect McNabb to be credited with an additional TD pass and yardage, and Reggie Brown's fumble taken away. I agree, looks more like a tipped pass, then a fumble or lateral. If you don't have control of the ball, you can't be credited with a fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenout Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 So, if the NFL is to change the play (I think somebody said Tue.) where would I find that info? this could change a W to a L for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 So, if the NFL is to change the play (I think somebody said Tue.) where would I find that info? this could change a W to a L for me. I believe most hosting sites will post the change on the front page. Some hosting sites gives the commish the choice of entering/correcting it or not. That's why your rules should state that your scoring will reflect that of the official NFL game stats, it avoids commishes choosing to enforce it or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 There's really little to no chance the NFL changes this. The main reason is McNabb is black and you don't have to ask anyone else but Ray Lewis to understand that if this play happened to Bret Farve, it'd been ruled a TD pass on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 I was watching the game and it was obvious that McNabb threw the ball to Brown, he lateralled it to Buck who in turn ran it in for the score. YES, it was very obvious. Even the announcers called it a lateral. I have been reviewing it too, it appears he never had possession of the ball. He never had his feet down and made a football move, then it was tipped to Buck. I think the NFL rules it as a tipped ball, passing TD for McNabb. I agree, looks more like a tipped pass, then a fumble or lateral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 There's really little to no chance the NFL changes this. The main reason is McNabb is black and you don't have to ask anyone else but Ray Lewis to understand that if this play happened to Bret Farve, it'd been ruled a TD pass on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxfactor Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 It was a fumble as he lost control of the ball even if he may have seem to bat it towards Buckhalter. And it is a fumble recovery and return TD for Buckhalter, not a catch or a run. Good info here. As commissioner of my local TD only league, we had a controversy a few years back with the Moss play. The difference between that play and this one was that the Moss play was clearly a lateral. The Brown play was considered a fumble. So after the ball is fumbled, the play is over for the QB, therefore no TD, even though the ball never hit the ground. Had a defensive player gotten hold of the ball and returned it the other way for a TD, it would be considered a fumble recovery, not an int. I don't think the NFL will change the scoring on the play. If they change it to a tipped pass, then McNabb should get the credit. If it remains a fumble, then no TD. Regardless, I sense another controversy in my local. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Smales Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Good info here. As commissioner of my local TD only league, we had a controversy a few years back with the Moss play. ..... If it remains a fumble, then no TD. Regardless, I sense another controversy in my local. And you didn't add rules for this type of thing after it happened once? We did, it's simple, whatever NFL rules it as of Thursday stands. I would highly recommend a rule change for your league next year. As a McNabb owner I'd love to see it change, but who am I to decide how it is ruled on the stat sheet, I didn't see it yet but have my fingers crossed even though it won't matter this week. But overall points pays $$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Good info here. As commissioner of my local TD only league, we had a controversy a few years back with the Moss play. The difference between that play and this one was that the Moss play was clearly a lateral. The Brown play was considered a fumble. So after the ball is fumbled, the play is over for the QB, therefore no TD, even though the ball never hit the ground. Had a defensive player gotten hold of the ball and returned it the other way for a TD, it would be considered a fumble recovery, not an int. I don't think the NFL will change the scoring on the play. If they change it to a tipped pass, then McNabb should get the credit. If it remains a fumble, then no TD. Regardless, I sense another controversy in my local. Does the fumble count for the Eagles D? You have to give the TD to someone right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Does the fumble count for the Eagles D? You have to give the TD to someone right? As it stands now, the TD goes to Buckhalter as a fumble return. Us McNabb owners would like to see it changed. My DVR told me several times that Brown did not have posession and my total score should get a 8 or 9 point bump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 They changed an Alex Smith INT, so I dont see why it would be far fetched to change this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle2003 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I think the Chester Taylor should get a TD then. How can he have a fumble at the 0 yard line. It is either the 1 or a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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