giantsfan Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 Why would they throw 40 times and only run SJax 18 times in a game that was close throughout and a game where the running games was very on and Bulger was off. Not really complaining from a SJax POV because he did just fine as is, but just curious if I am the only one who wonders why the Rams passed so much. I just really wanted them to win to keep them playing hard and to keep the Giants ahead of the Hawks even with a loss tonight. That ratio when SJax was at 5 YPC makes no sense to me. Anyone else think that or have any answers? Thought Martz was gone...LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 ... and in rainy crappy weather too ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 13, 2006 Author Share Posted November 13, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. All very strange to me. Lets call a spade a spade here if you didn't know who the HC was you would just assume Martz was still there. Going for it on 4th downs instead of kicking FG's. Bad play calling on those short 4th downs. Passing WAY more than running when the running game was close to dominant and the passing game was at best average. I know Linehan gets a lot of credit for being a solid HC and a great coach on O, but IMO he simply did an awful job today and quite frankly let his team down IMO. No way the Rams should lose that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 All very strange to me. Lets call a spade a spade here if you didn't know who the HC was you would just assume Martz was still there. Going for it on 4th downs instead of kicking FG's. Bad play calling on those short 4th downs. Passing WAY more than running when the running game was close to dominant and the passing game was at best average. I know Linehan gets a lot of credit for being a solid HC and a great coach on O, but IMO he simply did an awful job today and quite frankly let his team down IMO. No way the Rams should lose that game. Agree with everything you've said here giantsfan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itsnottatooma Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. And the pass was intended for TE Joe Klopfenstein, who was the only receiver out in the pattern. And he cut the wrong way. DUMB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 And the pass was intended for TE Joe Klopfenstein, who was the only receiver out in the pattern. And he cut the wrong way. DUMB. Linehan was probably doing one of these You just know he was saying "What was I thinking" after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. That was utterly ridiculous given the situation of the game. Rams are kicking themselves hard I'm sure. I thought Linehan would be a successful coach in the NFL, but this Rams team sure does a lot of dumb things on the field, either through the decisions of individual players, or via the coaching from the sideline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. Agreed that it was incredibly stupid play-calling. I'd expect that from Martz, but not Linehan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primetime9287 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The Ghost of Mad Mike Martz perhaps? What's even more astounding is the Rams going for it on 4th & 1 from Seattles 12...when they were up. Let Wilkins kick it & the Rams win the game. Oh! And by the way, when they tried to get that 1 yard on 4th down...it was a pass. +1...Even though I played vs. Wilkins it was great, but from an NFL standpoint it was one of the worst coached games I have seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoil Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 That game was a coaching loss, 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 And the pass was intended for TE Joe Klopfenstein, who was the only receiver out in the pattern. And he cut the wrong way. DUMB. AND their fullback should have gone out on a pattern so that the CB would have had to choose between him and Klopfenstein as to who to cover, but the fullback didn't hear the playcall. As Bryon Burwell of the St. Louis Post Dispatch put it: Mistake No. 2: If you're going to pass on the field-goal attempt, then you better come out of that huddle with a lead-pipe cinch play that is guaranteed to work. Yet as Linehan stood on the sidelines flipping through his mental playbook, I have to imagine he must have noticed that Steven Jackson was standing there, and the 6-foot-2, 231-pound tailback was on his way to another dazzling all-around offensive game (93 yards rushing, 40 yards receiving). Maybe he noticed the stat sheet showed Jackson was averaging over 5 yards a carry. Or maybe he noticed Holt and Bruce were in the huddle, too. So what on earth made him call a play that was supposed to rely on a fullback who hasn't caught a ball all season and only 18 in his seven-year NFL career, and a rookie who hadn't caught a pass all game and only nine for the season? Oh yeah, but Linehan couldn't figure out that maybe at a time like this when Jackson was running as hard as he's run all season (did you notice the last time Jackson touched the ball in this game, he scored on a powerful 14-yard run where he dragged four defenders into the end zone with him?), that he would have been the preferred option? No sir. Instead, Linehan went loopy on us. I bet just before he called the ill-fated play, he must have thought "Ooooh boy, let's try this one. They'll never expect this." And you know why they never would have expected it? Because it was a horrible play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 "Ooooh boy, let's try this one. They'll never expect this." And you know why they never would have expected it? Because it was a horrible play. Ain't that the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The game wasn't all coaching. 50% goes on Linehan, 50% on Incognito. The real question for the Rams..... How long til' they get passed by the 9ers in the NFC west landscape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The game wasn't all coaching. 50% goes on Linehan, 50% on Incognito. Meh...the Rams lost by 2 didn't they? Linehan lets Wilkins kick the Field Goal from the 12 and it's automatic. Rams win by 1 point. Loss is 100% on the Coaching, as Incognito had nothing to do with the play calling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Yep. I was there, we were all shaking our heads- wt eff are they doing. They gave the Hawks at least 6 points. 4th and 1 and if you do go for it, you don't pound SJax?? flat out terrible, he was getting thru the line easy. Also they elected to go for a 4th and 5 and Bulger threw a pick down to the 3yd line instead of Wilkins kicking a 47 yarder earlier. Granted, the weather was not the best but he is solid, and he likely would have hammered it thru. At least should have given him the chance. Strange game, Hawks dominated the 1st half, but scoreboard did not reflect it- and then the Rams could have put em away in hte 2nd half and didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Loss is 100% on the Coaching, as Incognito had nothing to do with the play calling. Incognito got called for 20 yards worth of penalties before the ensuing kickoff, thus we kicked from our own 15, assuring that Seattle would virtually receive the ball in field goal range. He's a hothead, and has no brains - think Kyle Turley without all the talent. FWIW, Linehan is taking lots of shots locally from newspaper guys like Burwell, Gordon, and Miklasz, and is getting roasted on talk radio by hosts and fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 FWIW, Linehan is taking lots of shots locally from newspaper guys like Burwell, Gordon, and Miklasz, and is getting roasted on talk radio by hosts and fans. And rightfully so. His decisions to go on the 4th downs (with bad play calls), AND pass WAY too much, AND not use SJax near enough deserve him taking hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Incognito got called for 20 yards worth of penalties before the ensuing kickoff, thus we kicked from our own 15, assuring that Seattle would virtually receive the ball in field goal range. He's a hothead, and has no brains - think Kyle Turley without all the talent. FWIW, Linehan is taking lots of shots locally from newspaper guys like Burwell, Gordon, and Miklasz, and is getting roasted on talk radio by hosts and fans. Oh I know Incognito got penalties. He took a 2 point conversion off the board as well because of a penalty. Point is, his penalties still don't change the fact that the Rams lost by 2 when all Linehan had to do was let Wilkins kick the Field Goal from Seattle's 12 for the automatic 3 & the win. When you're at the end of a game and only have a 2 point lead, you don't gamble on a 4th & 1. You take the 3 points, stretch the lead to 5, taking a Field Goal from the opposition out of the equation and force them to HAVE to march the length of the field & score a TD. Incognito's penalties had nothing to do with Linehan's bone headed decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Fan Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Incognito's penalties had nothing to do with Linehan's bone headed decision. Absolutely true, I just wasn't sure if you knew why Incognito was specifically mentioned, since his penalties directly affected the field position on the final drive. Doesn't excuse Linehan at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice717 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 This isn's the first time that Linehan has made stupid play calling late in the game. I remember watching the GB game and with like 3 min left in the game up by 3 instead of running the ball and making GB burn their time outs they pass. Not once but twice, and they were both incomplete. If it wasnt for a fumble by Favre they would have lost that game to because of play calling. Linehan needs to get away from trickery and stick to the basics near the end of games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Loss is 100% on the Coaching, as Incognito had nothing to do with the play calling. After that botched 4th and 1 play I looked over at my wife and asked "When did Martz get his coaching job back?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Rams have a very good record when he gets over 20 carries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giantsfan Posted November 14, 2006 Author Share Posted November 14, 2006 Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Rams have a very good record when he gets over 20 carries? All I can say is this. They got off to a hot start and Jax was getting 20 + carries. The last 3 games since the bye he has been under 20 carries and they've lost all 3. Now we are only talking about 3-5 more carries but those 3-5 more carries if used at the right time can be hugh. Plus they mean 3-5 less passes as well. At any rate maybe for the Rams sake Linehan will get a litlle smarter with his play calling in certain situations and learn from his mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 All I can say.....thank god they forgot about Steven Jackson!!! That guy would've ran for 250+ with 30 carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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