Not like it matters, but what has gotten into Arizona?

[Bushey]

They are destroying teams. They are killing Oregon in Autzen stadium 37-10. That is a tough place to play. Bear Down AZ!

Edited November 18, 2006 by Bushey

[wildcat2334]

Shocking, my Cats are looking for their 3rd str8 nig time Pac 10 win. I was about giving up on Stoops, not it looks liik he has these kids going in the right direction.

[Coffeeman]

Stoops is a good coach, and they gave USC a tough time in the Coliseum last year. I think it was 3-3 at half this year, before USC pulled away.

[Rockerbraves]

They are destroying teams. They are killing Oregon in Autzen stadium 37-10. That is a tough place to play. Bear Down AZ!

 

 

Perhaps their fans have adopted a new pre-game routine.

 

http://arizona.scout.com/2/567527.html

[Sgt. Ryan]

Stoops is a good coach, and they gave USC a tough time in the Coliseum last year. I think it was 3-3 at half this year, before USC pulled away.

 

 

Stoops doesnt have the talent SC does, when he gets it. they will dominate that conference.

[Coffeeman]

Stoops doesnt have the talent SC does, when he gets it. they will dominate that conference.

 

 

So...you expect Carroll to just fall over dead then, allowing all the talent to go to the desert? Your lack of logic never fails to crack me up, Sarge...

[wildcat2334]

Stoops doesnt have the talent SC does, when he gets it. they will dominate that conference.

 

 

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Stoops has already shown he can recruit, and is getting some top notch talent. He so far has not shown to be a good game coach, and the jury is still out...... I am a believer though and think they are heading in the right direction. A month ago, not so much......

[Sgt. Ryan]

So...you expect Carroll to just fall over dead then, allowing all the talent to go to the desert? Your lack of logic never fails to crack me up, Sarge...

 

 

Your incompetence to read and understand my statement is mind boggling

 

I said "Stoops doesnt have the talent SC does, when he gets it. they will dominate that conference." Obviously that doesnt mean SC won't still get talent, what it means is when Arizona gets equal talent they will dominate that conference. Maybe you should think before you post. You obviously have no clue what was written, and look like a clueless idiot with this response above. But then again, what else is new.

Edited November 21, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan

[detlef]

Your incompetence to read and understand my statement is mind boggling

 

I said "Stoops doesnt have the talent SC does, when he gets it. they will dominate that conference." Obviously that doesnt mean SC won't still get talent, what it means is when Arizona gets equal talent they will dominate that conference. Maybe you should think before you post. You obviously have no clue what was written, and look like a clueless idiot with this response above. But then again, what else is new.

Hey Francis, why don't you chill. Let's put this to the "Who's the clueless idiot" test...

 

On one side you've got a guy not so quick to hand over the keys from USC to AZ. Taking up for his boy Carroll after what any reasonable person would have assumed to be a backhanded slight. The point being implied is that Stoops is the better coach and Carroll will be exposed once his monopoly on the talent in the Pac 10 shifts to AZ. Not so fast cupcake.

 

First off, Carroll has established USC as the premier college program in the country. Think about it. This year, who's in the conversation for the title game OSU, Mich, USC, and "whomever wins the SEC". Last year, USC and Texas, the year before USC, OK, Auburn, the year before that? USC, OK, LSU. See a pattern? The only other team even mentioned more than once in that is your beloved Sooners (who, I might add, got handled in both attempts but I digress). Now, success breeds success and, since college coaches are essentially GM/coaches, the ability to stockpile talent is at least as important as the ability to coach. When you whine that some guy only wins because he's got better players, well it's his own doing that he has those players. Now there can be some merit to this when you're talking about a guy at some small school who's going toe to toe with the big boys but it's not like AZ is William and Mary or anything.

 

Now surely, you say, Carroll was handed the keys to one of the greatest programs anyway, so what's the big deal. Well, except for the fact that neither USC or Carroll was anything great when he started. Carroll couldn't even get the UNC job and USC was hardly running things meddling around .500. Any chance at all that Carroll had just a little to do with USC's rise? Don't you think that someone would need to come up with some pretty strong arguments to claim that he's now the second best coach in the Pac-10?

 

Of course, you did, right? I mean, Stoops comes from Oklahoma. What else needs to be said? That in itself should be enough. What good are facts when you have blind homerism?

 

"Who's the idiot" meter reads...Sorry Sarge, it's you again.

[Sgt. Ryan]

Where was OU before Stoops took over, Where was Texas before Mack Brown took over, Where was Notre Dame before Charlie Weiss took over, where was OSu before Jim Tressel took over, where was Rutgers before whatever his name took over, where was WYV before their coach took over, where was Fla St before Bobby Bowden took over, where was Penn St before Joe Pa took over. You see where Im going here, it happens all the time and every where in the country.

 

Oklahoma hasnt been the same since Mike Stoops left for Arizona. Their defense hasnt been the same. Stoops is an incredible defensive coach, and he is the reason for the turn around in the desert. If Bobby ever goes to the NFL, I hope the OU AD gives Mike Stoops a call to take over the Sooner Program. That is how much respect I have for what he did when he was here. OU didnt have the talent off the big boys in 2000, but they had better coaching than anyone in the country and won it all with Josh Hypel at QB, Quinten Griffin at RB, and a bunch of unknown WRs. They did it with one of the most dominating defensive performance in NC game history, holding the high powered Noles offense to nothing, while, intentionally taking a safety to prevent a possible blocked punt and give life to that offense.

 

 

Carroll was surrounded by great coachs, and got the best talent California had to offer, and with the success of that talent, he was able to reach out to other places. Think about it, He has the ocean and SoCal to offer kids, while Mike Stoops in arizona has the desert, and Bobby in Oklahoma has the plains to offer kids. I could coach USC to 10 wins every year with the location, the kids, and the weakness of that conference year in year out. The shame is that school couldnt get anyone else to do it before Carroll got there, but that is more a knock on those other coaches, than a plus on Carroll. When you routinely play the worst conference year in, year out, and basically only have to beat the #18 team to win your conference championship each and every year, its no wonder SC is always in the mix. Why is no other SEC school doing what SC is doing, or Big 10 school, or any other conferecne. Because there is actual talent in those conferences. Anyone ever thought about that.

Edited November 21, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan

[Coffeeman]

I could coach USC to 10 wins every year with the location, the kids, and the weakness of that conference year in year out.

 

Hey Sarge, there goes your crazy train, right off the rails again....

[Rockerbraves]

When you routinely play the worst conference year in, year out, and basically only have to beat the #18 team to win your conference championship each and every year, its no wonder SC is always in the mix. Why is no other SEC school doing what SC is doing, or Big 10 school, or any other conferecne. Because there is actual talent in those conferences. Anyone ever thought about that.

 

 

Think Sarge is on to something here Coffeeman.

[detlef]

That one sort of struck me as well. What's UCLA's excuse? Should they be calling you up about their job? Hate on Carroll all you want but my point doesn't change. USC is at the top of the college football mountain and they have him to thank for it. End of story. No amount of kicking and screaming will change that.

 

Let's make one thing clear as well. I grew up in Northern CA so I am in no way a fan of USC. I'm just not too stupid to give credit where credit is due.

[detlef]

Think Sarge is on to something here Coffeeman.

 

That means a whole lot more when it's said by someone who'd not a Big 12 homer, though. I mean, how many glorified exhibition games do they get each year in that conference?

[Rockerbraves]

That means a whole lot more when it's said by someone who'd not a Big 12 homer, though. I mean, how many glorified exhibition games do they get each year in that conference?

 

 

If you play in the Big 12 North you get a bunch. Just the word "South" makes me respect that side of the conference.

[wildcat2334]

Think Sarge is on to something here Coffeeman.

 

 

 

Not really-

 

to imply there is not talent in the Pac is MORONIC. Take a look at NFL games each Sunday - Sarge you d1psh1t- Pac 10 has talent all over the place in the NFL- I am quite sure they are at or near the top for most current NFL players.

Edited November 21, 2006 by wildcat2334

[Rockerbraves]

Not really-

 

to imply there is not talent in the Pac is MORONIC. Take a look at NFL games each Sunday - Sarge you d1psh1t- Pac 10 has talent all over the place in the NFL- I am quite sure they are at or near the top for most current NFL players.

 

 

Ok they have some good athletes, however football is a team sport. Just saying overall the PAC 10 teams arn't the kind of teams that strike fear in me when I see them on our future schedule. No offense it's just how I feel.

[wildcat2334]

Ok they have some good athletes, however football is a team sport. Just saying overall the PAC 10 teams arn't the kind of teams that strike fear in me when I see them on our future schedule. No offense it's just how I feel.

 

 

 

 

Fair enough. Although you do agree that USC is the premier program in the country correct? And that as strong as the SEC is, and I agree top to bottom, year in year out. They do not step up and fair well in NC, or big games nationally.

[Coffeeman]

Think Sarge is on to something here Coffeeman.

 

 

'Fraid not. I mean, if USC had lost to all the best the other conferences have to offer in the last 4 years, I could agree. But that would be ignoring the facts, now wouldn't it? They've lost 1 non-conf game in the last 4 years, to Texas by 3 in the Rose bowl. The other two losses were to Pac10 teams by a combined 6 points, on the road - hello?!

 

During that time, they've beaten Michigan by 14, Sooners by ? (can't count that high), Auburn twice by a combined 45 or so, Arkansas twice by a combined ? (no symbol for infinity on my keyboard,) ND 4 times by a combined 75 or so (although last year was close), VaTech by maybe 10, plus blowouts of Nebraska, Iowa and a host of teams from the WAC & other conferences.

 

The list is long and impressive, my friends. But thanks for playing our logic game! Next?

 

Edit: I'm not expecting a blowout of ND this year, and Trojans might even lose to them. But you cannot argue about the dominance over the last 4+ years. Do I wish we could've played LSU 3 years ago and Auburn 2 years ago, to see who really was the best? Of course, but we weren't given that opportunity, due to the 'faux-dominance' (I made that word up) of a certain team from Norman OK, which got stomped twice in a row....

Edited November 21, 2006 by Coffeeman

[wildcat2334]

'Fraid not. I mean, if USC had lost to all the best the other conferences have to offer in the last 4 years, I could agree. But that would be ignoring the facts, now wouldn't it? They've lost 1 non-conf game in the last 4 years, to Texas by 3 in the Rose bowl. The other two losses were to Pac10 teams by a combined 6 points, on the road - hello?!

 

During that time, they've beaten Michigan by 14, Sooners by ? (can't count that high), Auburn twice by a combined 45 or so, Arkansas twice by a combined ? (no symbol for infinity on my keyboard,) ND 4 times by a combined 75 or so (although last year was close), VaTech by maybe 10, plus blowouts of Nebraska, Iowa and a host of teams from the WAC & other conferences.

 

The list is long and impressive, my friends. But thanks for playing our logic game! Next?

 

Edit: I'm not expecting a blowout of ND this year, and Trojans might even lose to them. But you cannot argue about the dominance over the last 4+ years. Do I wish we could've played LSU 3 years ago and Auburn 2 years ago, to see who really was the best? Of course, but we weren't given that opportunity, due to the 'faux-dominance' (I made that word up) of a certain team from Norman OK, which got stomped twice in a row....

 

 

well done- finally some facts. But our little Sooner-hick thinks based off those figures, USC will be blown out by OSU..... These corn fed midwesterners and deep fried southerners can spout of all they want about the SEC, and Big 10. USC is the BEST PROGRAM in the country, and it is not even close.

 

Although- I do like what Mike Stoops is finally doing with my Cats- back to the topic at hand

[junebugz]

where was OSu before Jim Tressel took over,

from 95-98 OSU had very competitive teams ... sure they weren't undefeated monsters like in 2002 and this year, but it was the 2 years after that and the fact that Cooper kept losing to Michigan that led to Tressel coming in ... even in Tressel's first year they were only 7-5 but they beat Michigan as one of those wins and that was just as big as anything else and probably gave the team the confidence to do what they did the next year

[Rockerbraves]

Fair enough. Although you do agree that USC is the premier program in the country correct? And that as strong as the SEC is, and I agree top to bottom, year in year out. They do not step up and fair well in NC, or big games nationally.

 

 

No question USC is the premier program in the Pac 10 and one of the tops nationally. I truly believe the Trojans could contend in the SEC year end and year out if they learned to play more physical football.

[Sgt. Ryan]

'Fraid not. I mean, if USC had lost to all the best the other conferences have to offer in the last 4 years, I could agree. But that would be ignoring the facts, now wouldn't it? They've lost 1 non-conf game in the last 4 years, to Texas by 3 in the Rose bowl. The other two losses were to Pac10 teams by a combined 6 points, on the road - hello?!

 

During that time, they've beaten Michigan by 14, Sooners by ? (can't count that high), Auburn twice by a combined 45 or so, Arkansas twice by a combined ? (no symbol for infinity on my keyboard,) ND 4 times by a combined 75 or so (although last year was close), VaTech by maybe 10, plus blowouts of Nebraska, Iowa and a host of teams from the WAC & other conferences.

 

The list is long and impressive, my friends. But thanks for playing our logic game! Next?

 

Edit: I'm not expecting a blowout of ND this year, and Trojans might even lose to them. But you cannot argue about the dominance over the last 4+ years. Do I wish we could've played LSU 3 years ago and Auburn 2 years ago, to see who really was the best? Of course, but we weren't given that opportunity, due to the 'faux-dominance' (I made that word up) of a certain team from Norman OK, which got stomped twice in a row....

 

 

This SC team isnt even close to on par with those with leinart and Palmer at the helm. Not even close. TO say this team is like any of the past 4 is ludicrous. But last yr was SC's best team of all time, and it wasnt even good enough to win vs Vince Young and Texas in yoru own back yard. it wouldnt surprise me a bit if ND knocks SC in the mouth and kicks their ass on Saturday. Then maybe we can end the argument of who the #2 team is to OSU. But if SC wins at home, let them get embarassed in Glendale. Then that will be 2 bowls in a row they lose, in the NC game. And we can end the BS of the premeire college team in the country and set the record straight as just another punching bag in the bowls from the Pac-10.

[Rockerbraves]

'Fraid not. I mean, if USC had lost to all the best the other conferences have to offer in the last 4 years, I could agree. But that would be ignoring the facts, now wouldn't it? They've lost 1 non-conf game in the last 4 years, to Texas by 3 in the Rose bowl. The other two losses were to Pac10 teams by a combined 6 points, on the road - hello?!

 

During that time, they've beaten Michigan by 14, Sooners by ? (can't count that high), Auburn twice by a combined 45 or so, Arkansas twice by a combined ? (no symbol for infinity on my keyboard,) ND 4 times by a combined 75 or so (although last year was close), VaTech by maybe 10, plus blowouts of Nebraska, Iowa and a host of teams from the WAC & other conferences.

 

The list is long and impressive, my friends. But thanks for playing our logic game! Next?

 

 

 

Coffeeman think you missed Sarge's point or might have misread it. Believe what Sarge is saying is that USC stays in the national mix because you're team is soooo good they expose your PAC 10 conference as soooo weak. Have you ever thought maybe your beloved Coach is smart enough to go out of conference to challenge his players and gain some national respect? USC is not going to get much respect just playing one or two top twenty ranked team per season. Hence that's why they are forced to go out of conference. Much like the better teams from the Big East are trying to do now.

 

Compare USC conference schedule to my beloved LSU. Tigers will once again be on the road in the SEC this week to face their 4th YES 4th top ten nationally ranked team this season. And if things would have gone the Tigers way just a liitle more they would be playing for the right to play one more top 10 team away from Tiger Stadium at the SEC Championship Game.

 

LSU's schedule doesn't differ much from any other SEC team's schedule. So that's perhaps why SEC teams often get left out of the NC game vs. teams like USC that play arguably in a weaker conference yet occasionally wander out of conference to play a high profile team in a less important non conference game.

 

Hey don't get me wrong USC has a Louisiana boy at QB so they must be good, but pleeze don't act like USC is being challenged in the PAC 10.

[wildcat2334]

Ludicrous. USC has been challenged in the PAC 10 you guys are unreal. They have been tested MORE in PAC 10 games than they have in STEAMROLLING the ever-overrated SEC, Get the eff outta here with this sh1t. They escaped narrow victories the past few years against Oregon, ASU, CAl, WSU to name a few. All the while DOMINATING teams like Auburn, and making Ark look like a complete joke, wow, aren't they the BEST team in your conference now?? In fact, USC has struggled and had many tougher games IN conference than OUT - and that is a fact.

 

This is getting old- the reality is the PAC 10 has been the highest rated conference all season, and now is looking at 8 out of 10 being bowl eligibile. As a west coast guy, I actually love SEC football- I just hate the BS west coast bias. and, I am thankful I don't have to live in the south.