Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Why do they only have 2 teams in the AP top 25, while every other major conference has 3 or more, and the Big 12 has twice as many as the Pac-10, and SEC has 5. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex SEC has 5 - FLA, LSU, Auburn, ARK, TENN Big 12 has 4 - OU, Texas, A@M, Nebraska ACC has 4 - Va Tech, Wake Forest, GA Tech, Boston College Big east has 3 - Louisville, WVA, Rutgers Big 10 has 3 - OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pac- 10 has 2, SC and Cal Must be that great football they play on the left coast. Edited November 27, 2006 by Sgt. Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 FWIW, Bonston College plays in the ACC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 FWIW, Bonston College plays in the ACC. Fixed, thanks So the ACC is twice as good as the Pac-10 not the Big East, who is just one better. Carry on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Fixed, thanks So the ACC is twice as good as the Pac-10 not the Big East, who is just one better. Carry on. I'd put quite a few Pac10 teams up against the 'best' of the ACC and Big East. The Big East hasn't been good in awhile, and the ACC is way down with the demise of the 'Canes and Seminoles.... (Edit: Specifically, both Oregon teams, WSU and even Arizona or UCLA.) Edited November 27, 2006 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 I'd put quite a few Pac10 teams up against the 'best' of the ACC and Big East. The Big East hasn't been good in awhile, and the ACC is way down with the demise of the 'Canes and Seminoles.... (Edit: Specifically, both Oregon teams, WSU and even Arizona or UCLA.) Way down huh, so far that the AP thinks the Big East has more quality teams than the pac 10, and the ACC has twice as many. Cal couldnt even beat the 5th best team in the SEC, getting trashed by them. And that is the 2nd best team in the pac-10. Yep, that is a great conference. What a joke. no wonder Sc is playing for titles, they schedule the dreds of other conferences, as Nebraska and Ark completely sucked when this schedule was made, yet they get credit because those 2 had better than expected seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Way down huh, so far that the AP thinks the Big East has more quality teams than the pac 10, and the ACC has twice as many. Cal couldnt even beat the 5th best team in the SEC, getting trashed by them. And that is the 2nd best team in the pac-10. Yep, that is a great conference. What a joke. no wonder Sc is playing for titles, they schedule the dreds of other conferences, as Nebraska and Ark completely sucked when this schedule was made, yet they get credit because those 2 had better than expected seasons. Hey Mister, turn that frown upside down! Why are you spending so much energy on your Pac10 hate? Your team is playing for the B12 title, and you have Franchione to thank for that. Stoops should buy him a dinner. I can't help it that you're still bitter about the 55-19 plus the bad call vs. the Ducks. You cannot deny that your team put themselves in a position to lose both those games. (You can try, but you'll just look more crazy than you already do.) Don't hate the P10 for that stuff, and focus on the fact that you guys have overachieved since losing AP. That's good stuff, and I'm proud of your team, actually.... Edited November 27, 2006 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Why do they only have 2 teams in the AP top 25, while every other major conference has 3 or more, and the Big 12 has twice as many as the Pac-10, and SEC has 5. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex SEC has 5 - FLA, LSU, Auburn, ARK, TENN Big 12 has 4 - OU, Texas, A@M, Nebraska ACC has 4 - Va Tech, Wake Forest, GA Tech, Boston College Big east has 3 - Louisville, WVA, Rutgers Big 10 has 3 - OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pac- 10 has 2, SC and Cal Must be that great football they play on the left coast. You are a complete joke. Actually, Oregon State is 24 in the BCS- which carries more weight than the antiquated AP. The Big 12 is bad this year- what OU at #12 in the BCS is the best that garbage conference can muster. Get outta here with this BS, and please don't even bring up the Big 12 in any NC, or best conference discussion, it is a waste of my time. The Pac 10 had solid teams this year, which resulted in some tough L, and their really was no easy game cept Stanford, unlike an unnusually soft Big 10, and a decimated Big 12. Let's dig into some quality win numbers which tell more than the AP poll. SEC- 8 wins v. top 10 21 v. top 30 PAC 10 4 wins v. top 10 25 v. top 30 clearly the 2 toughest conferences week in and week out. Big 10 1 win v. top 10 7 wins v. top 30 Big 12 ZERO v. top 10 5 wins v. top 30 I mean, I give the Big 10 credit- at least they have OSU/MICH - top notch both of them, but to me Wisky is the biggedt fraud in the top 10.Does anyone really think they are better than Ark/Auburn/Tenn/Cal?? he11 no they aren't. Edited November 27, 2006 by wildcat2334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 I mean, I give the Big 10 credit- at least they have OSU/MICH - top notch both of them, but to me Wisky is the biggedt fraud in the top 10.Does anyone really think they are better than Ark/Auburn/Tenn/Cal?? he11 no they aren't. Actually, LSU is the biggest fraud in the top 10. They have 2 loses, and couldnt beat half the top 10, yet they are ranked at 5. And the facts about the polls speak volumes about strength of conference, and the Pac-10 simply doesnt muster up to the other 5. Sorry, they are again, SC and a bunch of nothing. Cal will get smoked in their Bowl, and Sc will lose to OSU if they play. Same story as last yr, the top 2 or 3 in this conference will show how weak they really are. OU should be higher than 10 in the AP, and will be after they win their next 2. the pac-10 did their best to f8ck them, but in the end, they have everything but a NC right in front of them. And in a rebuilding year, who could ask for more than a BCS bowl losing Bomar, Peterson, Pac-10 debacle, losing to texas, and still right there in the BCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Way down huh, so far that the AP thinks the Big East has more quality teams than the pac 10, and the ACC has twice as many. Cal couldnt even beat the 5th best team in the SEC, getting trashed by them. And that is the 2nd best team in the pac-10. Yep, that is a great conference. What a joke. no wonder Sc is playing for titles, they schedule the dreds of other conferences, as Nebraska and Ark completely sucked when this schedule was made, yet they get credit because those 2 had better than expected seasons. Well, they get credit because they beat both Ark and Neb soundly in years that they happened to be good. Should they not get credit for those wins because, according to you, their intentions weren't noble when they scheduled them? Do you mean to imply that, say Michigan's impressive out of conference schedule is better? Can you point to a single team in the NC hunt that can claim a more impressive out of conference schedule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 Well, they get credit because they beat both Ark and Neb soundly in years that they happened to be good. Should they not get credit for those wins because, according to you, their intentions weren't noble when they scheduled them? Do you mean to imply that, say Michigan's impressive out of conference schedule is better? Can you point to a single team in the NC hunt that can claim a more impressive out of conference schedule? Im not sold on out of conference scheduling, when you dont play anyone in conference. So their best 3 wins are against ND, Nebraska and Ark. There are teams in the SEC with better wins than those who are not in the title hunt. And if Sc was in the SC, they would be lucky to have competed for one BCS bowl in the last 5 yrs, and they certainly wouldnt have won the conference they way they sleep walk through the Pac-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Actually, LSU is the biggest fraud in the top 10. They have 2 loses, and couldnt beat half the top 10, yet they are ranked at 5. And the facts about the polls speak volumes about strength of conference, and the Pac-10 simply doesnt muster up to the other 5. Sorry, they are again, SC and a bunch of nothing. Cal will get smoked in their Bowl, and Sc will lose to OSU if they play. Same story as last yr, the top 2 or 3 in this conference will show how weak they really are. OU should be higher than 10 in the AP, and will be after they win their next 2. the pac-10 did their best to f8ck them, but in the end, they have everything but a NC right in front of them. And in a rebuilding year, who could ask for more than a BCS bowl losing Bomar, Peterson, Pac-10 debacle, losing to texas, and still right there in the BCS. LSU played Tenn, FL, Auburn, and Ark all on the road and managed to split. Not exactly fraudulent. As far as OU is concerned, kindly point to their record home or away against any elite team? Oh, that's right, they didn't even play any. The higest current ranking of anyone they played is Texas at #17 and they were beaten by 18pts. Barely sneaking by A&M, theoretically beating (but in actuality losing to) now unranked Oregon. Now that's a resume for an elite team if I ever saw one. Kudos for holding together despite losing AP. The fact that apparently anyone can run for 100yds behind that line is impressive. Then again, maybe Baylor, and Texas Tech aren't exactly the most stout run Ds in the land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Im not sold on out of conference scheduling, when you dont play anyone in conference. So their best 3 wins are against ND, Nebraska and Ark. There are teams in the SEC with better wins than those who are not in the title hunt. And if Sc was in the SC, they would be lucky to have competed for one BCS bowl in the last 5 yrs, and they certainly wouldnt have won the conference they way they sleep walk through the Pac-10. I am on record as saying the SEC gets the shaft in the BCS because they play such a tough in league schedule. I think Auburn deserved a shot in the NC game a few years back and USC certainly proved they did as well. Need I mention who showed they didn't? However, as Coffeeman has pointed out, the very fact that USC has proven themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt against the best of every other conference over the last few years should prove them to be a great program. At least that is, to anyone with a shred of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Why do they only have 2 teams in the AP top 25, while every other major conference has 3 or more, and the Big 12 has twice as many as the Pac-10, and SEC has 5. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex SEC has 5 - FLA, LSU, Auburn, ARK, TENN Big 12 has 4 - OU, Texas, A@M, Nebraska ACC has 4 - Va Tech, Wake Forest, GA Tech, Boston College Big east has 3 - Louisville, WVA, Rutgers Big 10 has 3 - OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pac- 10 has 2, SC and Cal Must be that great football they play on the left coast. Because they play 9 games against each other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushey Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hey Sarge, are you like 10 years old? I like the way you bait people into the same conversation in every post already in this forum. Even with the deserved win in Oregon that OU should have gotten, who the hell have you played? That Oregon team isn't that good. The other loss is to a freshman led Texas team that isn't that good. Who friggen cares what teams are ranked outside of the top 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hey Mister, turn that frown upside down! Why are you spending so much energy on your Pac10 hate? Your team is playing for the B12 title, and you have Franchione to thank for that. Stoops should buy him a dinner. I can't help it that you're still bitter about the 55-19 plus the bad call vs. the Ducks. You cannot deny that your team put themselves in a position to lose both those games. (You can try, but you'll just look more crazy than you already do.) Don't hate the P10 for that stuff, and focus on the fact that you guys have overachieved since losing AP. That's good stuff, and I'm proud of your team, actually.... Just another classy response from Coffeeman. You can learn from us PAC-10 guys. Pay attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Im not sold on out of conference scheduling, when you dont play anyone in conference. So their best 3 wins are against ND, Nebraska and Ark. There are teams in the SEC with better wins than those who are not in the title hunt. And if Sc was in the SC, they would be lucky to have competed for one BCS bowl in the last 5 yrs, and they certainly wouldnt have won the conference they way they sleep walk through the Pac-10. I'm still amazed at just how clueless you are. 55-19! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Actually, LSU is the biggest fraud in the top 10. They have 2 loses, and couldnt beat half the top 10, yet they are ranked at 5. Actually sort of surprised me as well then again I've been surprised all season with all the respect LSU has been getting all season not only from the pollsters but by the odds makers in Vegas too. LSU played 4 top ten teams on the road this season and were favored in every one of them at some point prior to kickoff. Heck couldn't even get a good enough line vs. Alabama since that had the Tigers favored by 18 plus. Guess the people who are willing to put their money where their mouth is, pretty much think LSU is a fairly decent ball club. Would be interested to see what the line would be if LSU were to get a matchup with Michigan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hey Sarge, are you like 10 years old? I like the way you bait people into the same conversation in every post already in this forum. Even with the deserved win in Oregon that OU should have gotten, who the hell have you played? That Oregon team isn't that good. The other loss is to a freshman led Texas team that isn't that good. Who friggen cares what teams are ranked outside of the top 10? So SC has only beaten Ark in the top 10, and after next Saturday, they wont be there. SO they havent beaten anyone either. glad you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 I'm still amazed at just how clueless you are. 55-19! Should I post the OU-UW score every time I want to make a point about anything. Its obvious you do that, because you have nothing else but that game in Jan of 05. Enjoy that win, Ive been over that loss for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 I dont buy the who have you played, as in 04, OU played 10 bowl teams, and 6 in the final top 25, and lost to LSU 21-14 in the NC game. Why, because they didnt have a running game, and their Qb took too many hits. Now they have a running game, and would run on any team in the country, regardless of which RB they put back there. And there pass defense is the best its been in a number of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Would be interested to see what the line would be if LSU were to get a matchup with Michigan? That would be a great game, and LSU could get the whole Rose bowl experience - everyone who loves college football should get here at some point. I'm lucky to live here, but could only afford to go to the big game as a student in '96, when USC beat Northwestern. Ah, the days of $75 for a bowl ticket... Edit: Of course, if for some reason the Trojans end up here this year, I may try again. Just have to skimp on Xmas a bit.... Edited November 27, 2006 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Back to the topic at hand, I decided to do a little research and came up with the following. Mind you, I wasn't going to go through the trouble of finding consensus rankings 1-119, so I stopped as soon as I found one (CBSSportsline.com) At any rate, I took the top 8 teams from each conference and averaged their rankings. I assumed it wasn't much of a reflection on the strength of a conference if you were splitting hairs between which team was worse between say, Stanford and Illinois so I just dropped everyone's garbage teams and focused on the top 8. At any rate, the only thing that was clear was that the SEC is hands down the best (which hardly surprises me) with a score of 19.37. It should also be noted that Alabama was the 9th highest ranked team in the SEC so they did not factor into things despite the fact that they were ranked about as high as the 6th best team of other conferences. Interestingly, ACC was second at 30.25 probably because its a cluster fc of decent but not great teams. Congrats Sarge, your beloved Big 12 comes in next at 31.5 followed by the Pac 10 and Big 10 both at 35.75. Big East brings up the rear at 43.12 I do think this is better indication of relative strength than simply counting the teams in the top 25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Actually, LSU is the biggest fraud in the top 10. They have 2 loses, and couldnt beat half the top 10, yet they are ranked at 5. And the facts about the polls speak volumes about strength of conference, and the Pac-10 simply doesnt muster up to the other 5. Sorry, they are again, SC and a bunch of nothing. Cal will get smoked in their Bowl, and Sc will lose to OSU if they play. Same story as last yr, the top 2 or 3 in this conference will show how weak they really are. OU should be higher than 10 in the AP, and will be after they win their next 2. the pac-10 did their best to f8ck them, but in the end, they have everything but a NC right in front of them. And in a rebuilding year, who could ask for more than a BCS bowl losing Bomar, Peterson, Pac-10 debacle, losing to texas, and still right there in the BCS. Rebuilding year? I thought that, prior to the season, OU was one of the favorites to play in the NC game? Hmmm. Probably the Pac-10's fault too. You know that the team that was supposed to be in a rebuilding year, losing most of their starters to the NFL, was the USC Trojans. Where are they now ........ Hmmm. Right where they have been for the last 5 years. Your envy and jealousy is understood ...... Private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeeman Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Good stuff there, but I'm still not buying the ACC thing this year - in fact, I'd put the BigEast above them. I'd rank them SEC, Pac10/Big10 (tie), Big 12, Big East, ACC. Ga Tech maybe, but Maryland, Wake Forest - those guys don't do it for me.... Edited November 27, 2006 by Coffeeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Should I post the OU-UW score every time I want to make a point about anything. Its obvious you do that, because you have nothing else but that game in Jan of 05. Enjoy that win, Ive been over that loss for years. Yea, your posts show that you're over it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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