FishFreak Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 With so many people obsessed with Michael Vick, I thought everyone should read a great article on fanball that illustrates what I've been saying about Vick all season......he's a great fantasy football point producer period. Deal with it and give him the props he deserves. He's been a top 5 fantasy QB hands down all season long. Check out this article: http://www.fanball.com/buzz/article.cfm?id=8507 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damageinc Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Great Article. That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year. He has a bad game and scores 18 fantasy points. Romo has a bad game and he gets 7 points. I will take Vick as my fantasy QB any day over just about anyone. FANTASY wise he is that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I think he shoulders way too much of the blame when things go wrong... How many times can Jenkins, White, Crumpler, and Lelie drop easy passes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capostatus Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 i agree with the fact he's a great fantasy QB start, but this guy is still an idiot  can't understand why he can't hit wide open receivers across the middle of the field  is he supposed to catch the ball too?  the he says this:  I could point out that his receivers give him absolutely no help by repeatedly dropping the few balls that he delivers on target. I could decry the lackadaisical downfield blocking when he takes off and runs (see such games as last week, when tight end Alge Crumpler needed just one downfield block to allow Vick to score a 60-some yard touchdown, and when Crumpler was pushed out at the two-yard line when it appeared he could have simply turned upfield to get into the end zone, and when Roddy White rejected an almost certain touchdown reception at the four-yard line).  so which is it?  vick has the worst nfl receiving corps......these guys are simply horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I hate this guy and he sucks at QBing. I have him in one of my leagues and he is Fantasy Gold due to his running yards and attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Cool! Â Another 6 page Vick pissing contest to ensue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Fantasy != Reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I hate this guy and he sucks at QBing. I have him in one of my leagues and he is Fantasy Gold due to his running yards and attempts.I think this is just it. As a fantasy QB, he's great. He gets you the points. As a NFL QB, there are some issues. Yes some are his fault, others are related to things outside Vick's immediate control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I haven't heard anybody claiming he's not an excellent fantasy QB this year. Â That has nothing to do when discussing his merits, or lack thereof as an NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickvick Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 He is a wonderful fantasy QB.He threw for a whopping 84 yards last week and still had close to 20 fantasy points in my league.The Vick owner in my league is considering benching him for Trent Green.IMO he is nuts.His team is top in points by over 100 and he is getting a little spooked on Vick.If he benches Vick I think he goes out of the playoffs very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 (edited) In my dynasty league, Vick is a marginal starter and is commesurate with a QB like David Carr this year. That league measures FF QB performance with not only yards & TDs, but also completion percentage and penalizes sacks taken & sack yardage. In that league, Vick has had 2 30+ pt games, but he's also had 2 games where he's scored 2 FF pts or less. He generally scores between 10 & 18 pts in a normal week. Â In my redraft league, that is as basic as it gets, with all TDs worth 6 pts and no penalties for INTs or fumbles, Vick is the 3rd best QB in the league and is a much more consistent scorer. Â The bottom line: In less complicated leagues, Vick is a great FF QB - this year. As a league uses more complex & diverse measures of QBs to compare FF performance, Vick starts to slide down the charts rapidly. Edited November 29, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year. Â Â Who can't comprehend this? I am not aware of anyone around here (including us Vick "haters") that has questioned Vick's FF value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraftykraft Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 The problem is not Mike Vick's fantasy production (at least not this year). The problem is his real-life football production.  Compare him to Drew Brees in last week's game:  Vick: 36 plays where he threw or ran, 250 yards (84 passing, 166 rushing), no TDs  Brees: 30 plays where he threw or ran, 349 yards (all passing), 2 TDs  Frankly, for a real life team, I would have much rather had Drew Brees under center last week than Michael Vick.  And as for having a sucky receiving corps, Brees did pretty well last week throwing to the likes of Devry Henderson. Before this season, even before the last 3-4 games, how many people other than Devry Henderson's mother were aware that he was a receiver in the NFL?  Sorry, but Mike Vick is not a good NFL quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraftykraft Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 To further my point, take a quote from the same article that the OP originally cited in defense of Vick: Â "To be clear, I'm not defending Vick as an NFL quarterback. The guy stinks. He's awful. Dreadful. Appalling. I think he's one of the worst passers in the league. I think I'd rather go to battle with a blindfolded Peyton Manning throwing left-handed into a 50-miles-per-hour wind. I can't understand why he can't hit wide open receivers across the middle of the field. I don't know why he throws the ball nine million miles per hour as if he's trying to penetrate the chest cavity of receivers less than 10 yards away." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 He is a great FF QB, and always has been when healthy. This is due primarily to the way that most leagues score rushing yardage twice as much as they do passing yardage, and while maybe not most, quite a few score rushing TD's 50% more than they do passing TD's. Scoring systems usually make him a great FF QB. That being said, while I like having him on my FF team, I'm ver thankful he is not on my NFL team. He is a great FF QB (and somewhat under rated in drafts this year) but he is a HORRIBLE NFL QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockerbraves Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 And as for having a sucky receiving corps, Brees did pretty well last week throwing to the likes of Devry Henderson. Before this season, even before the last 3-4 games, how many people other than Devry Henderson's mother were aware that he was a receiver in the NFL? Â Â FYI: Henderson was a TD machine at LSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 FYI: Henderson was a TD machine at LSU.   Great.  link   (Ashley) Lelie finished his career at the University of Hawaii as its all-time leader receiving yards (3,341) and touchdown receptions (32) while averaging an impressive 17.2 yards per catch. He was a first-team All-Western Athletic Conference selection as a junior in 2001, his final year at the school, and broke the WAC single-season records for receiving yards (1,713) and touchdowns (19) while also tying the WAC record for most 200-yard games in a season (3). He ranked first in the conference and second in the nation in yards per game (142.8 avg.) and ranked third in the WAC and ninth in the nation in receptions per game (7.0 avg.) as a junior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Great. Â link (Ashley) Lelie finished his career at the University of Hawaii as its all-time leader receiving yards (3,341) and touchdown receptions (32) while averaging an impressive 17.2 yards per catch. He was a first-team All-Western Athletic Conference selection as a junior in 2001, his final year at the school, and broke the WAC single-season records for receiving yards (1,713) and touchdowns (19) while also tying the WAC record for most 200-yard games in a season (3). He ranked first in the conference and second in the nation in yards per game (142.8 avg.) and ranked third in the WAC and ninth in the nation in receptions per game (7.0 avg.) as a junior. Â hawaii is a DIII school isnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 (edited) hawaii is a DIII school isnt it    Not the last time I checked. Maybe after another tsunami or 2... Is the Div. III football easier to catch? Edited November 29, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelerMurf Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Great Article. That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year. He has a bad game and scores 18 fantasy points. Romo has a bad game and he gets 7 points. I will take Vick as my fantasy QB any day over just about anyone. FANTASY wise he is that good. Â Â I started Romo over Vick this week and will for every week on forward. I used Vick first half of the season, but I can't take looking at that scoreboard and seeing 10 pts and 80 yards passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Who can't comprehend this? I am not aware of anyone around here (including us Vick "haters") that has questioned Vick's FF value. Â well a lot of folks did before the season. obviously once it's there in black and white, so to speak, it's tougher to question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 The reason I started this thread is to mainly give Vick props in fantasy. I tired of the bashing he takes every minute on the message board. Is he a good or bad QB? That depends who you ask. Like every QB in this league, they need to have the right coaches, a good system and the weapons needed to be successful. Just look at David Carr. He has good stats but sucks and hasn't done squat for the Texans as their no. 1 pick. In fact only about a 1/3 of the QB's in this league are worth a damn. What bothers me about Vick is how little respect he gets in the fantasy world. He's rarely mentioned as a stud qb when in fact he produces points like one. Because he's a mediocre passer most owners shy away from him. Psycologically, most guys would just rather start more "pure-type" passers like Brady, Bulger, Favre, Rivers, E. Manning, Delhomme, etc. It reality, he's blowing those guys away in fantasy points (in most leagues). Only the cream of the crop (Manning, Palmer, McNabb and Brees (this year) are better starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 (edited) The reason I started this thread is to mainly give Vick props in fantasy. I tired of the bashing he takes every minute on the message board. Is he a good or bad QB? That depends who you ask. Like every QB in this league, they need to have the right coaches, a good system and the weapons needed to be successful. Just look at David Carr. He has good stats but sucks and hasn't done squat for the Texans as their no. 1 pick. In fact only about a 1/3 of the QB's in this league are worth a damn. What bothers me about Vick is how little respect he gets in the fantasy world. He's rarely mentioned as a stud qb when in fact he produces points like one. Because he's a mediocre passer most owners shy away from him. Psycologically, most guys would just rather start more "pure-type" passers like Brady, Bulger, Favre, Rivers, E. Manning, Delhomme, etc. It reality, he's blowing those guys away in fantasy points (in most leagues). Only the cream of the crop (Manning, Palmer, McNabb and Brees (this year) are better starts. Â Â Before you get too carried away with your man-crush, let's not forget that this is his 1st year performing like this. In past years, his performance certainly didn't justify his ADP. Â In 2005, he was the 12th best QB in our 12 team redraft basic performance scoring league that enhances his value and 10th best in the more intensive 14 team dynasty league that has significantly more standards of measure for performance. That makes him at the very best a marginal starter in either league last year. His ADP was the 8th QB drafted, so he didn't outperform his ADP in either league. Â In 2004 he was the 13th best QB in the redraft & the 18th best QB in the dynasty league, which makes him a #2 QB in both leagues. His ADP was the 4th QB drafted, so he performed well below value. Â The year before that he missed significant time due to injury. Â That he is performing better this year as a FF QB is commendable, but the jury is definitely still out on him. His track record, even as a FF QB, is hardly established as his being a bonafide stud, and as I said previously, in a league that has more substantial measures of FF QBs, he hasn't even approached that this year. His ADP this year was the 13th QB drafted, so this is the first time in his career that he actually presents value at QB. Â *edited to add ADP information Edited November 29, 2006 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Â Not the last time I checked. Maybe after another tsunami or 2... Is the Div. III football easier to catch? Â smaller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gd74 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I read the article...and he is only ranked as the #12 qb in scoring in my league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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