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The Fantasy reality of Michael Vick (must read)


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With so many people obsessed with Michael Vick, I thought everyone should read a great article on fanball that illustrates what I've been saying about Vick all season......he's a great fantasy football point producer period. Deal with it and give him the props he deserves. He's been a top 5 fantasy QB hands down all season long. Check out this article: http://www.fanball.com/buzz/article.cfm?id=8507

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Great Article. That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year. He has a bad game and scores 18 fantasy points. Romo has a bad game and he gets 7 points. I will take Vick as my fantasy QB any day over just about anyone. FANTASY wise he is that good.

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i agree with the fact he's a great fantasy QB start, but this guy is still an idiot

 

can't understand why he can't hit wide open receivers across the middle of the field

 

is he supposed to catch the ball too? :D

 

the he says this:

 

I could point out that his receivers give him absolutely no help by repeatedly dropping the few balls that he delivers on target. I could decry the lackadaisical downfield blocking when he takes off and runs (see such games as last week, when tight end Alge Crumpler needed just one downfield block to allow Vick to score a 60-some yard touchdown, and when Crumpler was pushed out at the two-yard line when it appeared he could have simply turned upfield to get into the end zone, and when Roddy White rejected an almost certain touchdown reception at the four-yard line).

 

so which is it?

 

vick has the worst nfl receiving corps......these guys are simply horrible

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I hate this guy and he sucks at QBing. I have him in one of my leagues and he is Fantasy Gold due to his running yards and attempts.

I think this is just it. As a fantasy QB, he's great. He gets you the points. As a NFL QB, there are some issues. Yes some are his fault, others are related to things outside Vick's immediate control.
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He is a wonderful fantasy QB.He threw for a whopping 84 yards last week and still had close to 20 fantasy points in my league.The Vick owner in my league is considering benching him for Trent Green.IMO he is nuts.His team is top in points by over 100 and he is getting a little spooked on Vick.If he benches Vick I think he goes out of the playoffs very quickly.

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In my dynasty league, Vick is a marginal starter and is commesurate with a QB like David Carr this year. That league measures FF QB performance with not only yards & TDs, but also completion percentage and penalizes sacks taken & sack yardage. In that league, Vick has had 2 30+ pt games, but he's also had 2 games where he's scored 2 FF pts or less. He generally scores between 10 & 18 pts in a normal week.

 

In my redraft league, that is as basic as it gets, with all TDs worth 6 pts and no penalties for INTs or fumbles, Vick is the 3rd best QB in the league and is a much more consistent scorer.

 

The bottom line: In less complicated leagues, Vick is a great FF QB - this year. As a league uses more complex & diverse measures of QBs to compare FF performance, Vick starts to slide down the charts rapidly.

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That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year.

 

 

Who can't comprehend this? I am not aware of anyone around here (including us Vick "haters") that has questioned Vick's FF value.

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The problem is not Mike Vick's fantasy production (at least not this year). The problem is his real-life football production.

 

Compare him to Drew Brees in last week's game:

 

Vick: 36 plays where he threw or ran, 250 yards (84 passing, 166 rushing), no TDs

 

Brees: 30 plays where he threw or ran, 349 yards (all passing), 2 TDs

 

Frankly, for a real life team, I would have much rather had Drew Brees under center last week than Michael Vick.

 

And as for having a sucky receiving corps, Brees did pretty well last week throwing to the likes of Devry Henderson. Before this season, even before the last 3-4 games, how many people other than Devry Henderson's mother were aware that he was a receiver in the NFL?

 

Sorry, but Mike Vick is not a good NFL quarterback.

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To further my point, take a quote from the same article that the OP originally cited in defense of Vick:

 

"To be clear, I'm not defending Vick as an NFL quarterback. The guy stinks. He's awful. Dreadful. Appalling. I think he's one of the worst passers in the league. I think I'd rather go to battle with a blindfolded Peyton Manning throwing left-handed into a 50-miles-per-hour wind. I can't understand why he can't hit wide open receivers across the middle of the field. I don't know why he throws the ball nine million miles per hour as if he's trying to penetrate the chest cavity of receivers less than 10 yards away."

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He is a great FF QB, and always has been when healthy. This is due primarily to the way that most leagues score rushing yardage twice as much as they do passing yardage, and while maybe not most, quite a few score rushing TD's 50% more than they do passing TD's. Scoring systems usually make him a great FF QB. That being said, while I like having him on my FF team, I'm ver thankful he is not on my NFL team. He is a great FF QB (and somewhat under rated in drafts this year) but he is a HORRIBLE NFL QB.

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And as for having a sucky receiving corps, Brees did pretty well last week throwing to the likes of Devry Henderson. Before this season, even before the last 3-4 games, how many people other than Devry Henderson's mother were aware that he was a receiver in the NFL?

 

 

FYI: Henderson was a TD machine at LSU.

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FYI: Henderson was a TD machine at LSU.

 

 

Great.

 

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(Ashley) Lelie finished his career at the University of Hawaii as its all-time leader receiving yards (3,341) and touchdown receptions (32) while averaging an impressive 17.2 yards per catch. He was a first-team All-Western Athletic Conference selection as a junior in 2001, his final year at the school, and broke the WAC single-season records for receiving yards (1,713) and touchdowns (19) while also tying the WAC record for most 200-yard games in a season (3). He ranked first in the conference and second in the nation in yards per game (142.8 avg.) and ranked third in the WAC and ninth in the nation in receptions per game (7.0 avg.) as a junior.

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Great.

 

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(Ashley) Lelie finished his career at the University of Hawaii as its all-time leader receiving yards (3,341) and touchdown receptions (32) while averaging an impressive 17.2 yards per catch. He was a first-team All-Western Athletic Conference selection as a junior in 2001, his final year at the school, and broke the WAC single-season records for receiving yards (1,713) and touchdowns (19) while also tying the WAC record for most 200-yard games in a season (3). He ranked first in the conference and second in the nation in yards per game (142.8 avg.) and ranked third in the WAC and ninth in the nation in receptions per game (7.0 avg.) as a junior.

 

hawaii is a DIII school isnt it :D

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Great Article. That is what people cant comprehend. VIck is one of the best fantasy players this year. He has a bad game and scores 18 fantasy points. Romo has a bad game and he gets 7 points. I will take Vick as my fantasy QB any day over just about anyone. FANTASY wise he is that good.

 

 

I started Romo over Vick this week and will for every week on forward. I used Vick first half of the season, but I can't take looking at that scoreboard and seeing 10 pts and 80 yards passing.

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The reason I started this thread is to mainly give Vick props in fantasy. I tired of the bashing he takes every minute on the message board. Is he a good or bad QB? That depends who you ask. Like every QB in this league, they need to have the right coaches, a good system and the weapons needed to be successful. Just look at David Carr. He has good stats but sucks and hasn't done squat for the Texans as their no. 1 pick. In fact only about a 1/3 of the QB's in this league are worth a damn. What bothers me about Vick is how little respect he gets in the fantasy world. He's rarely mentioned as a stud qb when in fact he produces points like one. Because he's a mediocre passer most owners shy away from him. Psycologically, most guys would just rather start more "pure-type" passers like Brady, Bulger, Favre, Rivers, E. Manning, Delhomme, etc. It reality, he's blowing those guys away in fantasy points (in most leagues). Only the cream of the crop (Manning, Palmer, McNabb and Brees (this year) are better starts.

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The reason I started this thread is to mainly give Vick props in fantasy. I tired of the bashing he takes every minute on the message board. Is he a good or bad QB? That depends who you ask. Like every QB in this league, they need to have the right coaches, a good system and the weapons needed to be successful. Just look at David Carr. He has good stats but sucks and hasn't done squat for the Texans as their no. 1 pick. In fact only about a 1/3 of the QB's in this league are worth a damn. What bothers me about Vick is how little respect he gets in the fantasy world. He's rarely mentioned as a stud qb when in fact he produces points like one. Because he's a mediocre passer most owners shy away from him. Psycologically, most guys would just rather start more "pure-type" passers like Brady, Bulger, Favre, Rivers, E. Manning, Delhomme, etc. It reality, he's blowing those guys away in fantasy points (in most leagues). Only the cream of the crop (Manning, Palmer, McNabb and Brees (this year) are better starts.

 

 

Before you get too carried away with your man-crush, let's not forget that this is his 1st year performing like this. In past years, his performance certainly didn't justify his ADP.

 

In 2005, he was the 12th best QB in our 12 team redraft basic performance scoring league that enhances his value and 10th best in the more intensive 14 team dynasty league that has significantly more standards of measure for performance. That makes him at the very best a marginal starter in either league last year. His ADP was the 8th QB drafted, so he didn't outperform his ADP in either league.

 

In 2004 he was the 13th best QB in the redraft & the 18th best QB in the dynasty league, which makes him a #2 QB in both leagues. His ADP was the 4th QB drafted, so he performed well below value.

 

The year before that he missed significant time due to injury.

 

That he is performing better this year as a FF QB is commendable, but the jury is definitely still out on him. His track record, even as a FF QB, is hardly established as his being a bonafide stud, and as I said previously, in a league that has more substantial measures of FF QBs, he hasn't even approached that this year. His ADP this year was the 13th QB drafted, so this is the first time in his career that he actually presents value at QB.

 

*edited to add ADP information

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