malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Ok so here's my dilemna - I am the commissioner of a very competitive 12 team, $100 per man league that's currently in its 8th year of existance. All of us in the league grew up together and are good friends. For the most part we've had the same core 8-9 owners since the beginning, with a few new guys added/dropped each year. So we brought in two new owners this season, both of whom have previous fantasy football experience. One guy has a solid draft and stayed competitive all season; the other you pretty much new at draft day that he had gotten in over his head when he drafted Shawn Alexander and a bunch of scrubs. Fast forward to November. The guy who took SA is 2-8 and decideds to make a few trades to help people out. Not necessarily shady deals but obviously pretty bad ones. One of which was Deshaun Foster for Shaun Alexander. The guy was desparate for a starting back and SA was killing him by not playing, so at the time none of us really had a problem with it and just thought it was a dumb trade and didnt seem sketchy. This was three weeks ago. for the past two weeks the guy had inactive players in his lineup (Santana Moss last week and Foster this week) and basically handed the teams he was playing, both of which are tied up in the playoff hunt, wins. Now here is my dilemna - people are calling to kick the guy out oif the league but I'm not sure it was justified. I've talked to the guy and I honestly dont think he was colluding with anyone, I just think he's new at this and just made some bonehead moves. He stayed active for the most part all season and it wasnt really a problem up until now, but we cant give people wins not when there is $1200 at stake! How should I handle this so that everyone is happy? Is it really necessary to kick the dude out of the league or is there some other way to handle this that will appease the other owners this affects? Christ that was long. Sorry about that just needed to rant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDude Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I wouldn't kick him out because he's easy money, but I'd smack him around a little and maybe direct him to a website with tips on how to play fantasy football. But not this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikesGuy Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 When teams are 2-8 and are out of the playoffs it is easy to get disengaged. Plus he sounds like a newbie, i would cut him some slack, he paid the $100 just like everyone else. We were running into the same problem a few years back. That is why we put in weekly highscore payouts and a sh*tbowl payout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I wouldn't kick him out because he's easy money, but I'd smack him around a little and maybe direct him to a website with tips on how to play fantasy football. But not this one Yeah thats what I'm thinking. I mean the guy was active all year up until recently, he just had a pretty poor draft followed up with some bad luck. If I were 1-7 or 2-8 I'd lose interest too, but I have to figure a way to engrain in this guy's head that you cant just tank the season and lame duck it for the final 3-4 weeks. Last week was understandable he was out of town for the holiday so I can live with that. But if he leaves inactive guys in the lineup again this week I might have to put a freeze on his roster just to make it fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderSteve Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Sounds like an honest case of the "newbie's" to me. I guess that's what you guys kinda get for letting a new guy join your experienced league. Have someone such as yourself explain to him the do's and don't's of trading and maybe next season you won't have these problems again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Sounds like an honest case of the "newbie's" to me. I guess that's what you guys kinda get for letting a new guy join your experienced league. Have someone such as yourself explain to him the do's and don't's of trading and maybe next season you won't have these problems again. Agreed. Have a chat with him and keep an eye on his lineup this week and moving forward. Let him and the league know that if he's still got inactives in there, you as commish will be setting the best possible lineup regardless of who he plays (including yourself). If he doesn't want to be active moving forward, cut bait and find a more experienced/dependable owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmaddock Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Man that is a quandary you are in. It just constantly amazes me how guys who compete in something for money do not give 100% during the entire event. I have been out of playoff competition the last couple years in my main league (basicially since I won my only Superbowl) with all of my softball buddies, yet still make sure that my lineup is always competitive, at least for the spoiler aspect. The guy might give up making costly transactions towards the end when he is eliminated, but at least he should have enough interest to keep up with injuiries to key players, like Moss and Foster. I had a guy in my main league actually put in for a single QB transaction (Huard) on a Tuesday, he waited until Sunday morning to see if he got the transaction, saw that someone else (me, the commish) grabbed him due to my poor record at the time, and then complain that I stole the QB from him (our transaction request deadlines are Friday at midnight every week during the non Thursday game weeks). I just have very little sympathy for guys who have enough interest to pay $100, but not enough to complete the season or give it their best throughout the season. I would discuss this with him, pound home how important it is for him to always set the most competitive lineup possible (especially when the teams involved are still in the playoff hunt), and give him some fantasy football guidance. If he refuses, I would definitely kick him out for next season. But then, that is just me. PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKnight Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I wouldn't kick him out because he's easy money, but I'd smack him around a little and maybe direct him to a website with tips on how to play fantasy football. But not this one +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Thanks for the helpful feedback boys! I'm thinking I will probably call him at the end of the season, and just explain everything to him. The way some of the other owners have gotten on him for this lately, he might even decide that he doesn't want to come back in '07! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Agree with the others - just an easy $$ newbie. Trade doesn't seem shady, and sometimes when the holidays hit and your out of the playoffs apathy sets in. I like the idea of penalizing owners who don't set their lineups by charging $$ for each inactive/bye player. Also $$ for high points each week adds incentive to keep playing. The first year is usu a learning experience for newbs as they take their lumps in competitive leagues... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magagnon Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 for the past two weeks the guy had inactive players in his lineup (Santana Moss last week and Foster this week) and basically handed the teams he was playing, both of which are tied up in the playoff hunt, wins. I would kick him out next year. I'm ok with the fact that he made dumb trades and that he's not and experienced player.. but there is no excuses for not removing inactive players from his starting lineup. It takes 1 minute to update a lineup and you have 1 week to do it... It really sucks when you're fighting for a playoff spot and your opponent is playing against Clinton Portis who is on IR.. Its not like playing FF is rocket science. You pay your fee.. and you submit your starting lineup every week. Thats it. If a player can't find the time to update his roster, then he should spend his money on something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I would grow a set and kick this chump out of the league. If it is a competitive league like you claim, there should be no room for this stuff. Actually I think giving him a second chance is the right thing to do. He is new and doesn't really know better. Also, why not make the worst team from the previous year or any teams that start players on bye or inactive wear a dress to the draft or something humiliating like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpie Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Give it to the guy on the league message board...if you have one. If he's soft, he'll take himself out next year. If not he will likely give it a better showing from a late season activity standpoint. It is important to every coach that a team puts their best lineup in every week. Sounds like he's missed the lineup twice which is once WAY too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 I would grow a set and kick this chump out of the league. If it is a competitive league like you claim, there should be no room for this stuff. Actually I think giving him a second chance is the right thing to do. He is new and doesn't really know better. Also, why not make the worst team from the previous year or any teams that start players on bye or inactive wear a dress to the draft or something humiliating like that? You'd like that wouldn't you ya sicko! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 I would grow a set and kick this chump out of the league. If it is a competitive league like you claim, there should be no room for this stuff. Actually I think giving him a second chance is the right thing to do. He is new and doesn't really know better. Also, why not make the worst team from the previous year or any teams that start players on bye or inactive wear a dress to the draft or something humiliating like that? Dude, are you a politician? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rondo Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Three weeks ago, it seemed like a decent trade. Things change, man. Chalk it up and let the league roll on as/is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyfb Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Give it to the guy on the league message board...if you have one. If he's soft, he'll take himself out next year. If not he will likely give it a better showing from a late season activity standpoint. It is important to every coach that a team puts their best lineup in every week. Sounds like he's missed the lineup twice which is once WAY too many. Public embarassment is always the best policy. Unfortunately for the rest of your league, there's no law against being stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Dude, are you a politician? If he could draft a team like he talks in circles, he's never lose!!! Too bad he's about to be 5-8 (he also happens to be in this league by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malta69 Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Three weeks ago, it seemed like a decent trade. Things change, man. Chalk it up and let the league roll on as/is. Oh I totally agree. I have no problem with the trade. It's not necessarily one I'd make, but it didnt seem sketchy at the time. My main concern is his participation down the stretch, or lack thereof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoil Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 (edited) When teams are 2-8 and are out of the playoffs it is easy to get disengaged. Plus he sounds like a newbie, i would cut him some slack, he paid the $100 just like everyone else. We were running into the same problem a few years back. That is why we put in weekly highscore payouts and a sh*tbowl payout. Copy that. It keeps teams from tanking and keeps a level of interest going, and noobs are expected to learn the hard way- i.e., get clobbered Edited November 29, 2006 by Snoil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Three weeks ago, it seemed like a decent trade. Things change, man. Chalk it up and let the league roll on as/is. Now how would you stand if I was to tell you he didn't even start Foster after he trades Alexander fo him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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