LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I'll keep this short. I've just had it with Carolina. There is absolutely no spark on the offense at any time throughout any game. Delhomme was so scared of turning the ball over that he barely even targeted Smitty. He was playing very safe, but when he was pressured, he went back to his old ways and just threw it deep and to a defender. The defense only plays good in the first half, and basically phones it in in the second. It becomes one of the worst run defenses in the league about half way through the 3rd. The play calling is getting rediculous. It's so safe, but it's also so stupid. I think the rationale is "Ok, they're expecting a run on 1st, so lets throw it. They're expecting a throw on 2nd, so lets run it." and of course "They're expecting us to run it on 2nd and Goal at the 7 when DeAngelo is averaging about 6 yards a carry in the 2nd half with about 25 seconds left, sooooo lets F'ING THROW IT." I really don't understand this call. A FG would put the into OT. A TD wins it. DeAngelo is absolutely running like a dream. Why pass it when Jake has been turning it over in the redzone all year, I just don't understand. I don't really have a problem with the throw that Jake made. Had the defender not mauled Keyshawn in the endzone, it was right where it needed to be. But still, it's yet another red zone turnover for Jake and yet another loss for Carolina when leading in the 4th. And if Keyshawn doesn't just level that defender down the sidelines on an earlier play, it's yet another INT for Jake, and Keyshawn knew it. And I'd bet money that Carolina has the worst officiating in the league. If there is a way to see how many apology letters they get back when sending in tapes to the officiating HQ, I'd love to see it. Carolina is CONSTANTLY getting rimmed by the officials. Roughing the passer calls and offensive pass interference. Non calls on holding. Peppers was held on almost every single play last night. But that final non call in the endzone simply takes the cake. There was no way that should not have been called. That defender took everything but Keyshawn's wallet. He completely was out of control while the ball was not only in the air, but while Key was in the end zone. A simply atrocious job by the officiating yet again. I'm about to start chanting Weinke, if only for a change in the offense, because what we have now, just ain't cutting it. And for the record, I believe Jake played well last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) BS. The officials called the game fairly. They let them play all night long and there could have been a lot of PI calls on both side that weren't called. I thought it was great THROUGHOUT the game that they were "letting them play". It was refreshing as hell! And, on that last play, Lito initiated contact @ 5 yds and was trying to pull off of him as Keyshawn ran straight at him. Keyshawn just overreacted and jumped way too soon...LOL. Could it have been called, sure, but it would have been inconsistent with the way they called the other 59 + minutes of the game. Great no-call. I'm sure all the Eagles fans were telling him after the game that he can catch all the TDs he wants in our house as long as we get the "W". Edited December 5, 2006 by The Next Generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalEmpire.com Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Why did Carolina not just play for the tie last night? They had a perfect opportunity to kick a game-tying field goal and then see how the coin flip turned out. Instead Delhomme throws an INT and gives the game away. I know the consensus says "go for the tie at home, win on the road", but I hardly think chucking the ball up for grabs constitutes going for a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) The play calling is getting rediculous. It's so safe, but it's also so stupid. I think the rationale is "Ok, they're expecting a run on 1st, so lets throw it. They're expecting a throw on 2nd, so lets run it." and of course "They're expecting us to run it on 2nd and Goal at the 7 when DeAngelo is averaging about 6 yards a carry in the 2nd half with about 25 seconds left, sooooo lets F'ING THROW IT." I really don't understand this call. A FG would put the into OT. A TD wins it. DeAngelo is absolutely running like a dream. Why pass it when Jake has been turning it over in the redzone all year, I just don't understand. I don't really have a problem with the throw that Jake made. Had the defender not mauled Keyshawn in the endzone, it was right where it needed to be. But still, it's yet another red zone turnover for Jake and yet another loss for Carolina when leading in the 4th. And if Keyshawn doesn't just level that defender down the sidelines on an earlier play, it's yet another INT for Jake, and Keyshawn knew it. And I'd bet money that Carolina has the worst officiating in the league. If there is a way to see how many apology letters they get back when sending in tapes to the officiating HQ, I'd love to see it. Carolina is CONSTANTLY getting rimmed by the officials. Roughing the passer calls and offensive pass interference. Non calls on holding. Peppers was held on almost every single play last night. But that final non call in the endzone simply takes the cake. There was no way that should not have been called. That defender took everything but Keyshawn's wallet. He completely was out of control while the ball was not only in the air, but while Key was in the end zone. A simply atrocious job by the officiating yet again. I too was amazed at the playcalling near the goalline. What makes it even more questionable wa the fact that Carolina still had two timeouts, meaning they could have run it twice if they wanted to. Why risk the turnover, which is far more likely due to an INT than a fumble? But as for your rant on the officiating, please be serious, especially on that final play. The ball was at the 7 yard line, so contact could be made until Keyshawn made it as far as the 2-yard line. Was there some lingering contact after he passed that point? Yes, but by that time, they both were battling for position. Certainly, with the game on the line, no official was going to throw a flag unless he was clearly getting mauled, which by that point, he wasn't. Face it: Jake didn't count on Keyshawn not being being able to get ample separation early. I am sure the playw as designed with the idea Keyshawn would be in the spot the ball was thrown to. He put it up while the two players were still locked-up within the 5-yard allowable area. By the time the ball reached the desired spot, Keyshawn had been out-positioned. If you watched the post-game show, the analysts felt the same way, too. Credit the defender where credit is due. But as as sidenote, it is ironic that the game came down to a play where the WR couldn't get separation at a critical time. Somewhat reminiscent of the way Carolina defended the Eagle WRs 3-4 years ago in the NFC Championship game (which led to the new rules regarding contact). Edited December 5, 2006 by i_am_the_swammi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Any non-homer could see that was a good no call at the end...Key did overreact and tried to sell it but could not... The biggest mistake was not running it a few plays when you have 2 timeouts and a filed goal extends the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Face it: Jake didn't count on Keyshawn not being being able to get ample separation early. I am sure the playw as designed with the idea Keyshawn would be in the spot the ball was thrown to. He put it up while the two players were still locked-up within the 5-yard allowable area. By the time the ball reached the desired spot, Keyshawn had been out-positioned. That is soooo right on...great analysis... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I'll keep this short. I've just had it with Carolina. There is absolutely no spark on the offense at any time throughout any game. Delhomme was so scared of turning the ball over that he barely even targeted Smitty. He was playing very safe, but when he was pressured, he went back to his old ways and just threw it deep and to a defender. The defense only plays good in the first half, and basically phones it in in the second. It becomes one of the worst run defenses in the league about half way through the 3rd. The play calling is getting rediculous. It's so safe, but it's also so stupid. I think the rationale is "Ok, they're expecting a run on 1st, so lets throw it. They're expecting a throw on 2nd, so lets run it." and of course "They're expecting us to run it on 2nd and Goal at the 7 when DeAngelo is averaging about 6 yards a carry in the 2nd half with about 25 seconds left, sooooo lets F'ING THROW IT." I really don't understand this call. A FG would put the into OT. A TD wins it. DeAngelo is absolutely running like a dream. Why pass it when Jake has been turning it over in the redzone all year, I just don't understand. I don't really have a problem with the throw that Jake made. Had the defender not mauled Keyshawn in the endzone, it was right where it needed to be. But still, it's yet another red zone turnover for Jake and yet another loss for Carolina when leading in the 4th. And if Keyshawn doesn't just level that defender down the sidelines on an earlier play, it's yet another INT for Jake, and Keyshawn knew it. And I'd bet money that Carolina has the worst officiating in the league. If there is a way to see how many apology letters they get back when sending in tapes to the officiating HQ, I'd love to see it. Carolina is CONSTANTLY getting rimmed by the officials. Roughing the passer calls and offensive pass interference. Non calls on holding. Peppers was held on almost every single play last night. But that final non call in the endzone simply takes the cake. There was no way that should not have been called. That defender took everything but Keyshawn's wallet. He completely was out of control while the ball was not only in the air, but while Key was in the end zone. A simply atrocious job by the officiating yet again. I'm about to start chanting Weinke, if only for a change in the offense, because what we have now, just ain't cutting it. And for the record, I believe Jake played well last night. Clean play. That said, I feel for you and the Panthers as the Eagles have been on the losing end of officials this season as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 But as as sidenote, it is ironic that the game came down to a play where the WR couldn't get separation at a critical time. Somewhat reminiscent of the way Carolina defended the Eagle WRs 3-4 years ago in the NFC Championship game (which led to the new rules regarding contact). Lito Sheppard commented that he knew the fade to Keyshawn was coming on that last play: On how often the Carolina Panthers run the fade to WR Keyshawn Johnson: "Well actually, he [QB Jake Delhomme] gave him a signal that I had picked up on earlier when they had tried to do it earlier to me in the game. That's their signal for the fade and you know, I saw it before they hiked the ball and I was like 'Okay, if I can just stay outside, you know, I could have a chance to make a play on the ball.' And he overthrew it and I saw Keyshawn trying to undercut it and jump at it was too high for him." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 And I'd bet money that Carolina has the worst officiating in the league. If there is a way to see how many apology letters they get back when sending in tapes to the officiating HQ, I'd love to see it. Carolina is CONSTANTLY getting rimmed by the officials. Roughing the passer calls and offensive pass interference. Non calls on holding. Peppers was held on almost every single play last night. But that final non call in the endzone simply takes the cake. There was no way that should not have been called. That defender took everything but Keyshawn's wallet. He completely was out of control while the ball was not only in the air, but while Key was in the end zone. A simply atrocious job by the officiating yet again. Yes, there is a league conspiracy against the Panthers.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yes, there is a league conspiracy against the Panthers.... Ahem, we all know it's against the Vikings so stop it right there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Ahem, we all know it's against the Vikings so stop it right there... true dat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Ahem, we all know it's against the Vikings so stop it right there... Does it change every year? I mean, which team gets the ream job. Obviously it was Seattle last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Ahem, we all know it's against the Vikings so stop it right there... I thought it was against the Patriots. Or was that the Seahawks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) Carolina's 1st possession of the 2nd half was the beginning of the end for them, IMVHO... CAR leading PHI 14-7 3rd quarter Carolina Panthers at 14:54 1-10-CAR29 (14:54) D.Williams left tackle to CAR 28 for -1 yards (B.Dawkins). 2-11-CAR28 (14:13) J.Delhomme pass incomplete deep middle to S.Smith (S.Brown). 3-11-CAR28 (14:06) J.Delhomme pass incomplete short left to K.Johnson. 4-11-CAR28 (14:00) J.Baker punts 46 yards to PHI 26, Center-J.Kyle, fair catch by R.Mahe. yeah Deangelo got stuffed on 1st down but why take a shot downfield? if you're going to pass, do something intermediate to at least get a better 3rd down chance. OR just run it again, eat up some more clock, but most importantly don't go pass whacky. You can't put a game away by going pass whacky while holding a lead. instead, punt to PHI, 74yds later and tie game. Edited December 5, 2006 by kingfish247 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 BS. The officials called the game fairly. They let them play all night long and there could have been a lot of PI calls on both side that weren't called. I thought it was great THROUGHOUT the game that they were "letting them play". It was refreshing as hell! And, on that last play, Lito initiated contact @ 5 yds and was trying to pull off of him as Keyshawn ran straight at him. Keyshawn just overreacted and jumped way too soon...LOL. Could it have been called, sure, but it would have been inconsistent with the way they called the other 59 + minutes of the game. Great no-call. I'm sure all the Eagles fans were telling him after the game that he can catch all the TDs he wants in our house as long as we get the "W". first of all, you can't bump when the ball is in the air. second of all, you can't bump in the end zone, and third of all, it was 2nd and 7, so in the endzone wouldn't be within the 5 yard rule anyway. Thank you. Please try again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 (edited) first of all, you can't bump when the ball is in the air. second of all, you can't bump in the end zone, and third of all, it was 2nd and 7, so in the endzone wouldn't be within the 5 yard rule anyway. Thank you. Please try again. The contact happened @ the 2 (5 yd bump zone). After that it was Lito moving into positon and Keyshawn jumping way too soon and at a bad angle. Thank you. Whine again... Also, what about everyone else here who also thought it wasn't PI. Should've called yourself LooSer! Edited December 5, 2006 by The Next Generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dogs Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 I'm surprised Panther Dave isn't commenting........maybe he's just too P'd off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 I too was amazed at the playcalling near the goalline. What makes it even more questionable wa the fact that Carolina still had two timeouts, meaning they could have run it twice if they wanted to. Why risk the turnover, which is far more likely due to an INT than a fumble? This is my thinking as far as the playcalling goes. With 2 time outs, and DeAngelo looking like a genius, especially in the second half, they should've ran it twice. Period. But as for your rant on the officiating, please be serious, especially on that final play. The ball was at the 7 yard line, so contact could be made until Keyshawn made it as far as the 2-yard line. Was there some lingering contact after he passed that point? Yes, but by that time, they both were battling for position. Certainly, with the game on the line, no official was going to throw a flag unless he was clearly getting mauled, which by that point, he wasn't. Face it: Jake didn't count on Keyshawn not being being able to get ample separation early. I am sure the playw as designed with the idea Keyshawn would be in the spot the ball was thrown to. He put it up while the two players were still locked-up within the 5-yard allowable area. By the time the ball reached the desired spot, Keyshawn had been out-positioned. See my above post for my response on contact within 5 yard rules. And I do disagree with him not getting mauled. the guy looked like he was mugging him. However, your point about Keyshawn getting out played is pretty accurate. I don't mean to take anything away from PHI, especially on that play. He was there, he made the play, and even made a helluva grab with both feet in. Keyshawn panicked and jumped early, and Jake threw where he should've thrown. It was a perfect play for PHI, had he not have been feeling Keyshawn up like a gold digging h00ker. And I'm not even KINDA blaming this loss on that missed call. It shouldn't have come down to that call, and I'll never blame a win or a loss on any single call. Ever. I've been leading the charge this year on bad officiating, and it seems like Carolina gets the short end of the stick more often than not. All night long I was screaming at the officals. It's was almost laughable. And when the game is on the line, and Carolina worked their way down the field, you have to let them play, as you said, and when the defender had his hands all over Key, I don't see that as letting them play. I see that as bad officating, at any point in any game, especially with only 25 seconds left to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yes, there is a league conspiracy against the PanthersSeahawks.... Corrected. (Note, NOT a Seahawks fan here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Any non-homer could see that was a good no call at the end...Key did overreact and tried to sell it but could not... The biggest mistake was not running it a few plays when you have 2 timeouts and a filed goal extends the game... Absolutely agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yes, there is a league conspiracy against the Panthers.... You know what Menudo, you're starting to really get old with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiley Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 :psst: they're watching you. :psst: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 This is my thinking as far as the playcalling goes. With 2 time outs, and DeAngelo looking like a genius, especially in the second half, they should've ran it twice. Period. See my above post for my response on contact within 5 yard rules. And I do disagree with him not getting mauled. the guy looked like he was mugging him. However, your point about Keyshawn getting out played is pretty accurate. I don't mean to take anything away from PHI, especially on that play. He was there, he made the play, and even made a helluva grab with both feet in. Keyshawn panicked and jumped early, and Jake threw where he should've thrown. It was a perfect play for PHI, had he not have been feeling Keyshawn up like a gold digging h00ker. And I'm not even KINDA blaming this loss on that missed call. It shouldn't have come down to that call, and I'll never blame a win or a loss on any single call. Ever. I've been leading the charge this year on bad officiating, and it seems like Carolina gets the short end of the stick more often than not. All night long I was screaming at the officals. It's was almost laughable. And when the game is on the line, and Carolina worked their way down the field, you have to let them play, as you said, and when the defender had his hands all over Key, I don't see that as letting them play. I see that as bad officating, at any point in any game, especially with only 25 seconds left to play. Like when the Carolina defender was mauling Stallworth so badly he had to fend him off with his right hand and make a one handed grab with his left? Or, when Greg Lewis got mauled so badly that the announcers couldn't believe it wasn't called? Or, the one where they call PI on the Eagles in the endzone even though the ball wasn't catchable? Or the one where... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Like when the Carolina defender was mauling Stallworth so badly he had to fend him off with his right hand and make a one handed grab with his left? Or, when Greg Lewis got mauled so badly that the announcers couldn't believe it wasn't called? Or, the one where they call PI on the Eagles in the endzone even though the ball wasn't catchable? Or the one where... Or when Jenkins slammed Garcia to the ground and it wasn't called? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooGie Posted December 5, 2006 Author Share Posted December 5, 2006 The contact happened @ the 2 (5 yd bump zone). After that it was Lito moving into positon and Keyshawn jumping way too soon and at a bad angle. Thank you. Whine again... Also, what about everyone else here who also thought it wasn't PI. Should've called yourself LooSer! I have no problem with him moving into position. His hands were all over Keyshawn. Maybe i'm over reacting, and again, I'm not blaming this loss on that play. I'd rather they lose when they play like crap and call stupid plays. They shouldn't be rewarded with PI call when the ball should've never been in the air. And I'm not blaming the loss on that play call either. It should've never come down to that, either. I think Delhomme played very very safe in the beginning, got too much confidence, and started taking shots downfield, especially under pressure, like he always does. He got lucky with the first pass to Key in the endzone, and changed it at the goal line to go for it again. Just a bad play all around. I'm surprised Panther Dave isn't commenting........maybe he's just too P'd off.... He hasn't been around lately. Even after wins. It's tough being a Panther fan. They get your hopes up, and then implode. You never know what team you're getting on gameday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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