rai Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Tiki has just one FF point more than Bush in my system Jones-Drew and Addai (2 other rookies) have more points In my system, LT has almost 3x as many points as Tiki. I'm officially off the Tiki band wagon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 :confused: Given his ADP of 4 before the season started, he's the #7 RB in one of my leagues that favors workhorse RBs and is 0.5/1.0/1.5 ppr and the #8 RB in my other league that is not ppr and doesn't favor RBs much at all. While he's not a value by any means, that's still solid 1st round production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Sure, I'd like to have seen Tiki score more TD's this year, but the word "bust" seems a little strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Sure, I'd like to have seen Tiki score more TD's this year, but the word "bust" seems a little strong. As an owner that drafted Jordan in the first round ... I would strongly argue that Tiki is not a bust. His numbers are probably down more than most would have thought but nothing compared to the non-existence that is Lamont Jordan. Also, didn't Tiki himself say that you should not pick him up this year? I don't remember if that was way far in advance of the season, but I am pretty sure he said that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 'Bust' is a little extreme. The only area he isn't competing is TDs. What's really frustrating regarding the TD non-production is that Tiki doesn't care. He has told ESPN that he is the one who has been pulling himself out inside the 10 yard line. With that kind of attitude and the fact he has only been good in his career the last few years, does not make him HOF worthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junebugz Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 'Bust' is a little extreme. The only area he isn't competing is TDs. What's really frustrating regarding the TD non-production is that Tiki doesn't care. He has told ESPN that he is the one who has been pulling himself out inside the 10 yard line. With that kind of attitude and the fact he has only been good in his career the last few years, does not make him HOF worthy. I think this affirms his decision to retire after this year ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 (edited) In TD oriented leagues he is a bust IMO..He was drafted top 5 overall in a lot of leagues and I dont think he is justifying that at all.. Edited December 6, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorstCoachingEver Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 I think this affirms his decision to retire after this year ... I agree. I just think it's ridiculous the MNF pre-game crew (Irvin, Young, Jackson) were debating if he should get in the HOF a few weeks ago in the NYG-JAX game. I don't think TD should get in this year (different subject, let's not go there), so Tiki should definitely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub150 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 BUST=EDGERRIN JAMES AND CADDY WILLIAMS...ronnie brown is hovering there to, along with CP ronnie and CP have injuries though..but edge and caddy were def. first rounders in a lot of leagues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 In TD oriented leagues he is a bust IMO..He was drafted top 5 overall in a lot of leagues and I dont think he is justifying that at all.. If you are in a league where the scoring is primarily driven by TD scoring, only a fool would have drafted Tiki top 5 knowing that uber-vulture Jacobs was on the Giants' roster and in line for significant work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rai Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share Posted December 6, 2006 (edited) 'Bust' is a little extreme. The only area he isn't competing is TDs. What's really frustrating regarding the TD non-production is that Tiki doesn't care. He has told ESPN that he is the one who has been pulling himself out inside the 10 yard line. With that kind of attitude and the fact he has only been good in his career the last few years, does not make him HOF worthy. I'm just messing, I mean bust for a first round and (most ppl would say pick him as 4th 5th or 6th overall). He's not bad if he was a 3rd or 4th round pick, I picked Chester in the 4th round. It's actually OK in a yardage league to have a guy that will score 8 or 9 or 10 points almost every week. In fact his consistency may have helped me win 8 games, rather than someone who scored 4 TDs one week then disappears the next week. I just would have thought he would have more than one TD all year. I bet in the history of football on every level there has not been a player than has 1500 total yards and just one TD. Heck LT has almost 30 TDs so far how hard can it be to score a TD ever now and then. It's like Tiki is not giving any effort to score. Ronde Barber has more TDs than Tiki this year. Billy McMullen who is like the 5th WR on Minn this year has 3 TDs for gods sake Edited December 6, 2006 by rai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Misfit Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 (edited) Crazy talk. After the top 3 RBs every fantasy football player in the world agreed on (btw, SA is 40th in my standard performance scoring league), there was a tier of RBs that have been mostly a hugh bust. Tiki kinda fell into the four by consensus that the other candidates had serious downside. Turns, out, those were valid concerns: Edge is 25th in that same league, Portis is 26th, Ronnie Brown is 19th, Rudi is probably closest to his average draft pick at 10th, and Steven Jackson is the only one performing better relative to his adp (3rd). Tiki, at 7th, is hardly a bust, especially among the group/tier he was drafted with. Every season, DMD and a host of his posse will write a billion articles about how half the first-round RBs seriously underperform, frequently dooming fantasy teams, and yet every season people will argue that any draft strategy outside of taking RBs in the first two to three rounds is doomed to failure. [Edit to correct spelling of "hugh."] Edited December 6, 2006 by The Misfit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Bust might be a strong word, all I know is I went 14-1 and won a league title with him and Cadillac as my primary RBs last year, kept them both and finished dead last this season. Oh don't get me wrong, Eli, Wayne, Dunn, Shockey and some others had something to do with it also. I predicted before the season started that Tiki was going to have a tougher year because of the schedule and Jacobs having a year under his belt, but no one would trade me anyone of value. I never expected the huge dropoff in TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 (edited) If you are in a league where the scoring is primarily driven by TD scoring, only a fool would have drafted Tiki top 5 knowing that uber-vulture Jacobs was on the Giants' roster and in line for significant work. Tiki Had 9 Tds last years sprinkled in with that fat yardage..In a league that is TD oriented with additional points for yardage thats not so bad..Going from 9 tds to so far one is heading to bustville IMO..People used to count on him breaking a long td once in a while even with the knowledge of the Jacobs factor Edited December 6, 2006 by whomper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 In TD oriented leagues he is a bust IMO..He was drafted top 5 overall in a lot of leagues and I dont think he is justifying that at all.. I haven't played in a TD only or heavy TD league in years and I'd never draft Tiki in the top 5 in one of those leagues. He was being drafted from 4-8 in the leagues I was in this year and in a standard PPR league he is generally among the top 6-8 RB's scoring wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rai Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share Posted December 6, 2006 I know he's not a TD machine like LT or SA or LJ but last 2 years he had 18 TDs, to go from one TD every other game to one TD every 12th game is a huge drop. But like I said, at least he's good for a few points every week. Similar, Chester has not exactly set the world on fire with TDs either, but most people would probably call him a top 10 back now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 If you are in a league where the scoring is primarily driven by TD scoring, only a fool would have drafted Tiki top 5 knowing that uber-vulture Jacobs was on the Giants' roster and in line for significant work. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 What's really frustrating regarding the TD non-production is that Tiki doesn't care. He has told ESPN that he is the one who has been pulling himself out inside the 10 yard line. With that kind of attitude and the fact he has only been good in his career the last few years, does not make him HOF worthy. Depends on your viewpoint I guess. If he knows that Jacobs is a better play inside the 10, and it is apparent that this may be true, than it is refreshing to see a player as talented as Barber not having the ego to keep himself in on situations where another player is a better option. Nice to see a team first attitude in professional sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightsOutTerp Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Lamont was horrible. I also know quite a few people who took Caddy & Ronnie Brown at the turn of the 1st round. I imagine those teams can't be doing well. If the Giants are eliminated, do they go strictly to Jacobs or let Tiki pick his terms (I would believe Tiki would show his class and bow out)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 BUST=EDGERRIN JAMES AND CADDY WILLIAMS...ronnie brown is hovering there to, along with CP ronnie and CP have injuries though..but edge and caddy were def. first rounders in a lot of leagues CP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 CP? Cadillac Parker? Chester Parker? Charley Pride? Must have meant CT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Cadillac Parker? Chester Parker? Charley Pride? Must have meant CT. Chawn Palexander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD6405 Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 CP? Clinton Portis for the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithkt Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Cadillac Parker? Chester Parker? Charley Pride? Must have meant CT. Or perhaps Clinton Portis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Or perhaps Clinton Portis Sorry, I've forgotten about him already this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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