Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 According to Jay Glazer, Lovie will evaluate Glassman after the first half of tonight's game. If he sucks, he's out and Griese will not only take over for that game, but for the remainder of the season. It's Jay Glazer, so take it for what it's worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I am not judging this move from a football standpoint in any way, but I hate when coaches cave to external pressure instead of doing what they think is best. Lovie's indicated that he thinks sticking with Grossman is best...for better of for worse. After the press conferences he's held recently, this makes him look indecisive, and his team could pull a Broncos if he reverses gears. Who pulls their starting QB when they are 10-2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I am not judging this move from a football standpoint in any way, but I hate when coaches cave to external pressure instead of doing what they think is best. Lovie's indicated that he thinks sticking with Grossman is best...for better of for worse. After the press conferences he's held recently, this makes him look indecisive, and his team could pull a Broncos if he reverses gears. Who pulls their starting QB when they are 10-2? shanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 shanny And it's working out well for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 As much as I think they should go to Griese, I agree with the sentiment. If it's "one more bad pass" then it's over already - talk to the kid, let him know he's your guy down the road but need to make a change now, and do it. Gruden pulled one like this this week for Tampa - said in a press conf. when asked if Gradkowski struggled would he pull him - emphatic "NO".... and on comes Rattay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 (edited) I am not judging this move from a football standpoint in any way, but I hate when coaches cave to external pressure instead of doing what they think is best. Lovie's indicated that he thinks sticking with Grossman is best...for better of for worse. After the press conferences he's held recently, this makes him look indecisive, and his team could pull a Broncos if he reverses gears. I think most of that was lip service. He doesn't want to destroy Rex's confidence until he absolutely has to yank him off the field. IMO, that time was last week when Rex put up that 1.3 QB rating. But I'll settle for halftime tonight. I don't think that Lovie is caving to external pressure. IMO, he was just trying to keep Rex's confidence up. Who pulls their starting QB when they are 10-2? A coach whose QB is turning the ball over 3-6 times a game. The Bears are a competent QB away from being almost unbeatable. And they have a veteran on the bench who can effectively manage an offense. Edited December 11, 2006 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I think most of that was lip service. He doesn't want to destroy Rex's confidence until he absolutely has to yank him off the field. IMO, that time was last week, when Rex put up that 1.3 QB rating. But I'll settle for halftime tonight. I don't think that Lovie is caving to external pressure. Like everyone else who watches the Bears, he understands that he's not going to get to the SB with a QB who turns the ball over 3-6 times a game. IMO, he was just trying to keep Rex's confidence up. Maybe. He still has a 10-2 team. Switching QBs just seems....wrong. Disruptive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 Maybe. He still has a 10-2 team. Switching QBs just seems....wrong. Disruptive. How many teams manage to win games in which their QB puts up a 1.3 rating? You obviously haven't been watching very many Bears game this season. Rex played well earlier this season, but he's regressed big-time over the past month and a half or so. He's making Jake Plummer look good. They're winning DESPITE Grossman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Lovie's indicated that he thinks sticking with Grossman is best...for better of for worse. I don't think it was external pressure that made him cave, apparently he went back and watched Grossman's game film from the last several weeks. And it's working out well for them If you think Jake Plummer would have won either of those games, methinks you're Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 And it's working out well for them Shanahan knew he wasn't going to win a championship with Plummer at QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 How many teams manage to win games in which their QB puts up a 1.3 rating? You obviously haven't been watching very many Bears game this season. Rex played well earlier this season, but he's regressed big-time over the past month and a half or so. He's making Jake Plummer look good. They're winning DESPITE Grossman. I guess we'll see what happens. I am not disagreeing that Grossman is sucking. I am saying that I don't know how good it is for a 10-2 team to make a QB switch in week 14 or later. Sounds like a bad idea to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Short leash? He should be on a friggin' choke chain by now! I think the fact that Grossman's still in there tells you all you need to know about Brian Griese. If Griese was showing anything in practice, you have to figure he'd be in there by now. Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 I guess we'll see what happens. I am not disagreeing that Grossman is sucking. I am saying that I don't know how good it is for a 10-2 team to make a QB switch in week 14 or later. Sounds like a bad idea to me... Yeah, it's definitely not what you WANT to do. But when your team's strengths are defense and special teams and your QB is a shoe-in for 3-6 turnovers a game, you need to bench him. This is especially true when your defense is on the same level of dominance as the '02 Bucs and the '00 Ravens, you have one of the best FG kickers in the league, one of the best punt returners, and a very good punter as well. I'm not a huge Griese fan and it's possible that he very well may be bad as well. But I think that he can cut down on the turnovers by 80% or so and manage the offense reasonably-well. Even if he puts up four or five three-and-outs a game, he'll be an imporvement over Rex throwing picks or fumbling in Bears territory. This team can win the NFC on special teams and defense alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted December 11, 2006 Author Share Posted December 11, 2006 If Griese was showing anything in practice, you have to figure he'd be in there by now. Right? Not when your GM has an ego the size of Montana and doesn't want to admit that one of his first-round picks is a massive bust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Rex is lucky to be facing a weak Ram D tonight. If the Bears were smart they would pound the ball all night but I need Rex to put up numbers so I can win tonight. IMO, Rex has played his way straight to the bench. He deserves to be pulled in favor of Griese. Just because the Bears are 10-2 doesn't mean you can't have a QB switch. The Bears are winning despite his awful play. You should always be looking to improve as a team and Griese can do that. The Bears just need someone to manage the game and not turn the ball over. And the Broncos situation is completely different. Plummer is on his way out and Cutler is the QB of the future. He's getting valuable playing time. And quite frankly he's not playing much worse than Plummer was. The Broncos D has gone to hell the last few weeks causing them to lose some games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Linguist Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I'm torn on this. I think the kid has upside but has been turning the ball over way too much. Giving the reigns to Griese may cut down on the turnovers but i don't think hes going to stretch the field as much as Rex has the potential too. On the other hand, Griese can and should control the flow of the game better, hit is checkdowns more (Dez Clark) and keep the D guessing. It seems like Rex tries to hard to win the game on two-three throws instead of taking what the D gives him. He can't throw the short ball either! Its always behind or low to the recievers on anything under 15 yds. That drives me nuts. The Bears running game is decent enough, they just haven't mixed it up as much as id like to see. What ever happened to the screens and playaction they were doing in the first 5-6 games? The Bears are good enough can get the SB IMO. If it means changing the QB to achieve this for 2006, then give it to Griese now so we can at least see what we have before the first rnd and give him a couple games to get his rythem back. Im sick of one-and-out in the playoffs. So i'm all for whatever it takes to get deeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 If Rex can keep his turnovers limited to 50 yard pass attempts, and the WRs can do a better job tackling, it caould help with the Bears' field position strategy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I just picked up Grossman off the waiver wire the other day, so he's now guaranteed to revert to early season form and help me win a FF championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I guess we'll see what happens. I am not disagreeing that Grossman is sucking. I am saying that I don't know how good it is for a 10-2 team to make a QB switch in week 14 or later. Sounds like a bad idea to me... Maybe there are some grumblings coming from the players themselves that are leading to this. If that is the case, he really needs to be pulled. Nothing more disruptive/divisive for a team when they want a QB change. Personally, I think a change would be good for the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I guess we'll see what happens. I am not disagreeing that Grossman is sucking. I am saying that I don't know how good it is for a 10-2 team to make a QB switch in week 14 or later. Sounds like a bad idea to me... Bears switched out their QB last year after 11 or 12 games. I understand it WAS Orton and all, but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I don't think it was external pressure that made him cave, apparently he went back and watched Grossman's game film from the last several weeks. If you think Jake Plummer would have won either of those games, methinks you're actually you have a point hugh. rexy's mechanics have undoubtedly been off, what else can be the reason for not being able to hit a rb out of the backfield in stride. he isn't putting the ball in the right place or right side of receiver. he isn't hitting wr's off of their break. he isn't thowing his 40 yd jump balls where only his guy can catch it. the thing is, if he has a good game tonight, the rest of the schedule is pretty much cake. all he has to do is survive the rams twenty something ranked defense and he will be starting the rest of the way out. for better or worse bears fans, thats what i see happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 a light just went off in my head. how about a platoon system?? we could have grossman and thomas jones run the 1st/4th series. throw in griese and benson on the 2nd and third. whoever has looked better, gets the snaps. if either unit runs cold, replace them. maybe we could even get kyle orton/adrian petersen in there for a few series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Bears switched out their QB last year after 11 or 12 games. I understand it WAS Orton and all, but.... IIRC, weren't they just putting their injured starter back in? Isn't that a different situation? And FWIW, I remember being against that change as well. I think I am against changing Quarterbacks late in the season, unless you are throwing in the towel *cough*broncos*cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 IIRC, weren't they just putting their injured starter back in? Isn't that a different situation? And FWIW, I remember being against that change as well. I think I am against changing Quarterbacks late in the season, unless you are throwing in the towel *cough*broncos*cough* Grossman spent a game or two fully fit on the sidelines but he was indeed returning from injury. Orton's suckitude reached pretty much unparalleled depths and there was a real possibility of a locker room schism if Grossman wasn't put in. Orton was clearly out of his depth despite his valiant efforts. As far as I'm aware, the Grossman problem hasn't reached Ortonesque proportions yet, but that is, IMO, only one loss away. Then the D will start muttering. I still think Grossman is a good QB who has run into a current form trough. The problem is that the Bears are running out of time for him to get himself sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 Who pulls their starting QB when they are 10-2? The Bears in 2005 did as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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