The Stoner Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 If I start him he sucks. If I bench him he rocks. I will never draft him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I have been in that same boat with Vick this season, but this time I got lucky and hit it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stoner Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 He is nothing short of an enigma. WOW. I won't contradict myself though. I'm benching him for the rest of the season . It's Philip Rivers time. But with my luck, he'll be handing off to LT a 1000 times per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 If I start him he sucks. If I bench him he rocks. I will never draft him again. You must have only started him twice all year long then, because he's only had two bad fantasy games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 You must have only started him twice all year long then, because he's only had two bad fantasy games. My thoughts as well. Don't think anyone doubts his fantasy value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stoner Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 (edited) You must have only started him twice all year long then, because he's only had two bad fantasy games. Not in my league. We get scored on completions. He has 9 games in single digits. Edited December 17, 2006 by The Stoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Not in my league. We get scored on completions. He has 9 games in single digits. Well why in the heck would you take a known running QB, on a known running team, under that scoring format? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stoner Posted December 17, 2006 Author Share Posted December 17, 2006 Well why in the heck would you take a known running QB, on a known running team, under that scoring format? I started with Leftwich, and I didn't take Vick until the 10th round. At that point I was going for value at that pick. Luckly I was able to pick up Rivers. Ever since I've been in the unfortunite position of playing match ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Well why in the heck would you take a known running QB, on a known running team, under that scoring format? Because this was going to be his breakthrough year, just like '03, '04, and '05 were going to be his breakthrough years. Bottom line is Vick is what he is, and counting on him for consistent passing production just ain't wise. Given that, taking Rivers as a plug-and-play at this point isn't too bad of a strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I started with Leftwich, and I didn't take Vick until the 10th round. At that point I was going for value at that pick. Luckly I was able to pick up Rivers. Ever since I've been in the unfortunite position of playing match ups. Ahhhh well, 10th round, yeah that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 ... I would NEVER draft Vick in a league that awards points on completions ... not in the last round. And I certainly would NEVER start him in that format. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Because this was going to be his breakthrough year, just like '03, '04, and '05 were going to be his breakthrough years. Bottom line is Vick is what he is, and counting on him for consistent passing production just ain't wise. Given that, taking Rivers as a plug-and-play at this point isn't too bad of a strategy. As Stoner explained in the post above yours, that's not the reason he picked him Chavez. Vick in the 10th round represented value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Vick in the 10th round represented value. Not in a league that rewards QBs for pass completions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Not in a league that rewards QBs for pass completions. Probably need a little more info, the biggy being how many teams in the league. Regardless, apparently to Stoner he did represent value there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 As Stoner explained in the post above yours, that's not the reason he picked him Chavez. Vick in the 10th round represented value. If he fell to the 10th round, I'd say that it's pretty apparent that there was also a significant amount of risk involved as well - the value was tempered by his well-known inconsistency and limitations in the passing game. I certainly agree with the idea that Vick in the 10th round is a good value - I took him in the 11th myself and got 3-4 solid starts out of him (and one atrocious one that I won anyway, now I know EXACTLY how Rich McKay feels) - but if you're going to let your late-round "value" picks drive you crazy, you may want to either get a Zoloft prescription or find a new hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 If he fell to the 10th round, I'd say that it's pretty apparent that there was also a significant amount of risk involved as well - the value was tempered by his well-known inconsistency and limitations in the passing game. I certainly agree with the idea that Vick in the 10th round is a good value - I took him in the 11th myself and got 3-4 solid starts out of him (and one atrocious one that I won anyway, now I know EXACTLY how Rich McKay feels) - but if you're going to let your late-round "value" picks drive you crazy, you may want to either get a Zoloft prescription or find a new hobby. I've ridden Vick all the way this year. Got a 1st round bye & the #1 seed out of him. He only put up two stinkers all year & I missed one of the stinkers because of the bye. Rock solid & before tonights game, the #3 scoring QB in one league & the #4 scoring QB in another. He hasn't drive me crazy at all. I plug him in and forget about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 I've ridden Vick all the way this year. Got a 1st round bye & the #1 seed out of him. He only put up two stinkers all year & I missed one of the stinkers because of the bye. Rock solid & before tonights game, the #3 scoring QB in one league & the #4 scoring QB in another. He hasn't drive me crazy at all. I plug him in and forget about it. Swell, although I wasn't questioning his fantasy value or his value to YOUR team, I was referring solely to The Stoner's little dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Swell, although I wasn't questioning his fantasy value or his value to YOUR team, I was referring solely to The Stoner's little dilemma. I took him in the 11th myself and got 3-4 solid starts out of him (and one atrocious one that I won anyway, now I know EXACTLY how Rich McKay feels) - but if you're going to let your late-round "value" picks drive you crazy, you may want to either get a Zoloft prescription or find a new hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 When did you become stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 When did you? Or maybe this is a case inexplicably simultaneous stupidity? Obviously when I talked about how Vick was solid in the leagues mentioned, I was responding to the part of your post where you talked about how Vick had done for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 (edited) When did you? Or maybe this is a case inexplicably simultaneous stupidity? Obviously when I talked about how Vick was solid in the leagues mentioned, I was responding to the part of your post where you talked about how Vick had done for you. Illustrating his value as a late round pick and his inconsistency. Obviously you wouldn't have the same issue since you would've grabbed him MUCH sooner in your drafts. Edited December 17, 2006 by Chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Illustrating his value as a late round pick and his inconsitency. Obviously you wouldn't have the same issue since you would've grabbed him MUCH sooner in your drafts. Only got him in one draft & yes, I did take him before the 10th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Only got him in one draft & yes, I did take him before the 10th. Ergo, he was more a justifiably high selection or above-average mid-rounder as opposed to "late-round value". And again, if someone is gnashing his teeth over a 10th rounder's inconsistency, that is most likely the reason that the guy was sitting there that late. But then again, I think the people who are crying because Colston got hurt should be smacked upside the head repeatedly, so maybe I'm not the best judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 Or maybe this is a case inexplicably simultaneous stupidity? this gets my vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 17, 2006 Share Posted December 17, 2006 this gets my vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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