Hat Trick Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Anyone have experiences to share or what we should do to expand the league w/o starting over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunysteelfly76 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 If it is only a one player keeper league you could just give the two new owners the first two picks as their keepers then start with the first round of the draft. If you keep more than one I would say you almost have to start fresh. I think it would be hard to draw in new members with 20 (or 30, ect.) of the top players off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 We keep 3 in my home league I commish. Back when we went from 10 to 12, we gave the new owners the 1st and 2nd picks until they had their three keepers, then stuck them at the end of the draft since they were expansion teams. We figured it would take a couple of years to overcome having their keepers the 31st -36th players, but one won it the first year. Maybe we were too generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 We keep 3 in my home league I commish. Back when we went from 10 to 12, we gave the new owners the 1st and 2nd picks until they had their three keepers, then stuck them at the end of the draft since they were expansion teams. We figured it would take a couple of years to overcome having their keepers the 31st -36th players, but one won it the first year. Maybe we were too generous. This is about the only way I can see it working unless the whole thing starts over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polecat Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 We keep 5 in my home league I commish. When we went from 8 to 10, we gave the new owners the 1st and 2nd picks until they had their five keepers, then stuck them at the end of the draft since they were expansion teams. They were competitive immediately. Just as in the NFL, any team can win it all, from one year to the next. I went from winning the championship in 2004 & 2005, to not qualifying for the playoffs, this season. You just never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shot_Kings Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Our (4 keeper) league expanded from 9 [odd numbers of owners suck ] to 12 many years ago. There was some debate about whether the expansion teams should struggle (ala the Tampa Bay/Seattle expansion of the 70's) or have a chance to be competitive out of the gate. The owners of the best teams were solidly in the "Bucs" model while the owners of the weaker teams were somewhat more collegial, arguing that, since the expansion owners were supposedly our friends & it was only a game, it would seem fairer to give the newbs a chance. The two camps were solidly entrenched & it seemed that neither side could get the 2/3rds necessary to pass their proposal until a compromise proposal was made - expand keepers to 5 & let the expansion teams select their first 5 players in an expansion draft before the regular draft. Two of the good teams decided that the extra keeper was worth cutting the expansion teams a break & the deal was done. My other (2 keeper) league expanded from 10 to 12 last year - although 1 owner dropped without submitting keepers, so the league effectively went from 9 to 12. Again, the decision was made to allow the expansion teams to draft up to the keeper limit in advance of the regular draft. Results were fine - some of the expansion teams did well, some didn't. Personally, I don't see much reason not to have "friendly" expansion. The established teams will still have an advantage over the newcomers by reason of their keepers. The best players will likely be locked up before the expansion draft, leaving the expansion teams to select 2nd tier veterans or gamble on young unproven talent. And then skill (& luck) will out. The only people who might feel miffed by this are the veteran owners with early picks in the regular draft, since they will find those picks diluted somewhat in a "friendly" expansion. Of course, all picks in an expansion draft are diluted, but the early ones are diluted the most, so these owners have a case - especially if they made (or refused) trades based on the supposed value of these picks, which would change due to expansion. But in most cases this problem is minor compared to the gain of a bigger, better league. The best solution is to have a full & fair debate on the issue & then vote on various models of expansion. That way at least everyone can be part of the process & have little reason to feel aggrieved after the fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 In my local keeper league we keep 6. This year we expanded from 10 teams to 12. The way our league works in the draft is for each player you keep, you give up a draft pick. So the teams who kept 6 players didn't get to start drafting until round 7. Since the majority of the teams kept 6, the new expansion teams got to draft the first few rounds by themselves. It worked out very well and both of the new teams were able to put together very competitive squads. We did tell the new owners that they would be at a disadvantage the first year or two since they didn't have a core 6 players to keep, but it didn't effect their decisions to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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