Sgt. Ryan Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Should Shawne Merriman be considered for Defensive Player of the Year, or even have made the pro bowl. Its obvious this guy was juicing, and got caught. But is a 4 game suspension enough for guys using steroids. I know that is the drug policy, but isnt that more for narcotics, rather than drugs to cheat the game. My take is hell no, this punk doesnt deserve to be honored in any way. A better question is should he even be in the league after cheating like he has done. Personally, Shawne Merriman is nothing more than a thug, who like Brian Bosworth, a former idol of mine, doesnt deserve to play professional football. And this dude had the nerve to tell ESPN the magazine, people compare him to Junior Seau, then he chimes in and says, some say Ill be better. Im sorry, you POS, Junior Seau was class all the way, went to 12 pro bowls, and never defamed his name or his team with enhancing drugs to give him a edge he needs to compete on this level. You are no Junior Seau. I cant tell you how glad I am, Dallas passed on Merriman for D ware. Ware is a soft spoken player, who says Yes Sir and No Ma'am in press conferences. he represents what I wish all Dallas players stood for. And he is a great player to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Jason Taylor sure doesn't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xMRogers Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 They did this poll on ESPN and it was 80-20 againts. I was one of the 20 - if they dont' want him to play, then suspend him. It's my same take on all this crap in baseball now - everyone knew the guys were roiding, but we all stuck our heads in the sand cause it was fun watching the ball go flying, but now "no hall of fame for McGwire and Bonds"....seriously? Two of the greatest of all time that weren't caught by the league, and even I'll throw in Palmeiro who was and served his suspension. The hypocrisy is amazing - look, if we want these guys out of sports, then do that - 1st time penalty is one year, and second is your are out for good. If the penalty is 4 games, and in 12 games Merriman outplayed the seasons of eveyrone else, then he deserves it (whether he did play that well or not I really don't have an opinion on). The penalty isn't "4 games and no awards". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Trick Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Should Shawne Merriman be considered for Defensive Player of the Year, or even have made the pro bowl. Its obvious this guy was juicing, and got caught. But is a 4 game suspension enough for guys using steroids. I know that is the drug policy, but isnt that more for narcotics, rather than drugs to cheat the game. My take is hell no, this punk doesnt deserve to be honored in any way. A better question is should he even be in the league after cheating like he has done. Personally, Shawne Merriman is nothing more than a thug, who like Brian Bosworth, a former idol of mine, doesnt deserve to play professional football. And this dude had the nerve to tell ESPN the magazine, people compare him to Junior Seau, then he chimes in and says, some say Ill be better. Im sorry, you POS, Junior Seau was class all the way, went to 12 pro bowls, and never defamed his name or his team with enhancing drugs to give him a edge he needs to compete on this level. You are no Junior Seau. I cant tell you how glad I am, Dallas passed on Merriman for D ware. Ware is a soft spoken player, who says Yes Sir and No Ma'am in press conferences. he represents what I wish all Dallas players stood for. And he is a great player to boot. Excellent post. Of course he shouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Its obvious this guy was juicing, and got caught. But is a 4 game suspension enough for guys using steroids. Is it? I didn't think that the test results were released to the public. If the NFL is aware of him taking roids, then he should not be eligible for the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 My answer would be no, however, I think the ground rules have to be set out ahead of time. Players stand to make good bonuses for Pro Bowl appearances, etc., so I think a logical consequence of getting suspended for use of banned subs. during the year would be disqualification for such things. BUT, I think the horse is out of the barn for this year already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I cant tell you how glad I am, Dallas passed on Merriman for D ware. Ware is a soft spoken player, who says Yes Sir and No Ma'am in press conferences. he represents what I wish all Dallas players stood for. And he is a great player to boot. Then you must love TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Def. Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 They did this poll on ESPN and it was 80-20 againts. I was one of the 20 - if they dont' want him to play, then suspend him. It's my same take on all this crap in baseball now - everyone knew the guys were roiding, but we all stuck our heads in the sand cause it was fun watching the ball go flying, but now "no hall of fame for McGwire and Bonds"....seriously? Two of the greatest of all time that weren't caught by the league, and even I'll throw in Palmeiro who was and served his suspension. The hypocrisy is amazing - look, if we want these guys out of sports, then do that - 1st time penalty is one year, and second is your are out for good. If the penalty is 4 games, and in 12 games Merriman outplayed the seasons of eveyrone else, then he deserves it (whether he did play that well or not I really don't have an opinion on). The penalty isn't "4 games and no awards". So in other words, Cheaters should win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Jason Taylor sure doesn't think so. No he doesn't, but is it a defensive MVP award or a best defensive player award? I think they are different in that MVP involves your standing to the league not just your play on the field. D POY I believe is simply your play on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudolefty Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Merriman paid his dues with the 4-game suspension and tarnished image. Now, he's back to trying to rebuild it. He's an awesome player and a game-changer. I love the way he plays the game and the emotion he shows on the field. He's a leader and he will NOT make the same mistake again. IMO, he deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. He leads the league in sacks playing in 4 less games than others. He dominates at the line of scrimmage and forces teams to scheme for him. He forces fumbles and INTs with the pressure he puts on the QB. I believe Jason Taylor should be Defensive POY, but I don't think he needs to get political and denegrate his competition to try to make himself look better. And as far as Demarcus Ware, yes, he's a good player who's had a solid sesason, but I'll take Merriman over him any day, hands down. It's almost as if the purpose of this post was similar to Jason Taylor's, but instead of diminishing Merriman to make Taylor look better, part of it is to diminish Merriman to make Ware look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 He cheated ....yes he got caught , missed the 4 games , apologized , blah , blah , blah ...but he cheated , got caught and should not be able to win the award Do not understand jow it can even be considered as their has to be a standard to uphold when winning such awards and I have to believe one of the standards is , you can not win it if you chated ...period At the very least should the nfl not deter this behavior ...how can they deter if someone can cheat , get a slap on the hand and still win prestious awards ...what's to stop the next rookie or player to do same next year when the punishment is so miniscule and awards so available ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budlitebrad Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 My take is hell no, this punk doesnt deserve to be honored in any way. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Merriman is having a excellent season..but not so good where he can miss 4 games and win defensive player of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I tend to think he shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 They should include those four games in his per-game statistical calculations, giving him zeroes across the board in terms of tackles, assists, sacks, etc. for those games. Then, if his stats are still good enough on a per-game basis to merrit consideration, he should be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Then you must love TO. On that note, i'd rather see a guy like TO win a award and know he deserves it playing fairly, then a guy like Merriman. If i had to choose which guy is worse for the NFL, it's a no brainer Merriman by a land slide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Personally, Shawne Merriman is nothing more than a thug, who like Brian Bosworth, a former idol of mine, doesnt deserve to play professional football. Taking a banned substance doesn't make him a thug. Do you have links to show that is what he is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Only problem with that vet is , maybe his numbers are so outstanding ( enhanced by the enhancements he is taking and thus tainted) that even doing so may still have good enough stats to win .... For me cheating and getting caught is enough to prevent the award Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 He served his punishment for cheating, that's that. But to give him any award validates what he achieved, which he might not have had he not cheated, while taking the substances he was suspended for. His accomplishments aren't suddenly beyond the realm of questioning because he 'served his time' but can now ALWAYS be questioned, and thus should be disregarded when it comes time to consider this. Sure, he has more sacks than anyone else with 4 less games: he was on freakin' steroids while doing it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Merriman paid his dues with the 4-game suspension and tarnished image. Now, he's back to trying to rebuild it. He's an awesome player and a game-changer. I love the way he plays the game and the emotion he shows on the field. He's a leader and he will NOT make the same mistake again. IMO, he deserves to be in the Pro Bowl. He leads the league in sacks playing in 4 less games than others. He dominates at the line of scrimmage and forces teams to scheme for him. He forces fumbles and INTs with the pressure he puts on the QB. I believe Jason Taylor should be Defensive POY, but I don't think he needs to get political and denegrate his competition to try to make himself look better. And as far as Demarcus Ware, yes, he's a good player who's had a solid sesason, but I'll take Merriman over him any day, hands down. It's almost as if the purpose of this post was similar to Jason Taylor's, but instead of diminishing Merriman to make Taylor look better, part of it is to diminish Merriman to make Ware look better. imagine how good he'd be if he was juicing. Merriman blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mixed feelings on the subject. Much like those of the ex-con. When does a person pay back thier debt to society (the league)? In many people's minds, the answer is never. Years after doing their time, penance, etc, society still shuns them. Doesn't matter if the sin was a youthful indiscretion. Even at age 50, they'll still be the loser they were at age 15. Can a man change his image? If so, how? Perform at a high level? May never be enough for some people, no matter what the person ends up doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Mixed feelings on the subject. Much like those of the ex-con. When does a person pay back thier debt to society (the league)? In many people's minds, the answer is never. Years after doing their time, penance, etc, society still shuns them. Doesn't matter if the sin was a youthful indiscretion. Even at age 50, they'll still be the loser they were at age 15. Can a man change his image? If so, how? Perform at a high level? May never be enough for some people, no matter what the person ends up doing. If he can continue to play at a high level next season, while passing all his random samplings, I can probably forgive and forget. However, if he plays well but at a considerable dropoff...I don't think he'll live it down. The pressure is really on now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 No awards, just trade him to Dallas and him and Ware can go on a qb terror campaign! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 .....No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 He served his punishment for cheating, that's that. But to give him any award validates what he achieved, which he might not have had he not cheated, while taking the substances he was suspended for. His accomplishments aren't suddenly beyond the realm of questioning because he 'served his time' but can now ALWAYS be questioned, and thus should be disregarded when it comes time to consider this. Sure, he has more sacks than anyone else with 4 less games: he was on freakin' steroids while doing it!!! Bingo. It's not about whether he paid his debt, etc. It's about the fact that he achieved what he did while using a banned, performance-enhancing drug. His numbers were not achieved legally, so they shouldn't count for any awards. Seems pretty obvious to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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