theeohiostate Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like, by nights end the Big 12 will be 1-2 and the Pac 10 will be 1-3 Big 12 loses both games by being way overmatched Pac 10 loses 2 to poor teams that a big conference team should have handled. #2 Pac 10 Cal beating #4 Big 12 A&M wasn't anything i'd consider in comparing the conferences, CAL was blessed with a perfect match up, a more dynamic opponent like Texas would have been a different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like, by nights end the Big 12 will be 1-2 and the Pac 10 will be 1-3 Big 12 loses both games by being way overmatched Pac 10 loses 2 to poor teams that a big conference team should have handled. #2 Pac 10 Cal beating #4 Big 12 A&M wasn't anything i'd consider in comparing the conferences, CAL was blessed with a perfect match up, a more dynamic opponent like Texas would have been a different story. Right .... the same Texas team that blew out Oklahoma but got beat by these powder puff Aggies? Clearly, you need to watch more ...... and type less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 TOS, you know they're all soft on the left coast. The Pac 10 only has one legit team this year and the Big 12 is the same ole, same ole...year in and year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Gotta love these matchups. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/standings Rutgers the #2 team in the Big east, and #16 team in the country beats up the 7th best team in the Big 12, unranked Kansas State Then the Pac-10 Champs, Cal Bears beat up the #4 team from the Big 12, the #21 A@M Aggies Okie St, just happens to beat an equally ranked Bama team. To make matters worse, The Pac 10- loses to a WAC, and a MAC team, and gets embarrased by a Fla St team that doesnt even have a winning record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Ho hum Another blow out when the Pac-10 plays the Big 12. Ho hum #20 Cal Bears vs. the #21 Texas A&M Aggies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclones Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Looks like, by nights end the Big 12 will be 1-2 and the Pac 10 will be 1-3 Big 12 loses both games by being way overmatched Pac 10 loses 2 to poor teams that a big conference team should have handled. #2 Pac 10 Cal beating #4 Big 12 A&M wasn't anything i'd consider in comparing the conferences, CAL was blessed with a perfect match up, a more dynamic opponent like Texas would have been a different story. Which two poor teams? Hawaii and BYU? Going to HI for a bowl game is no easy task, and ASU faced the most prolific passer in history. Oregon faced a very tough BYU team as well.....both were essentially road games for the PAC 10, frankly I'm not the least bit surprised that both were blowouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Private - you are outta your mind- keep coming up with these excuses - unreal. The Pac 10 was dominant over the Big 12, and TOS is fishing with this post bc it is a joke. Only a complete homer can't see and admit this. You just saw a Cal team that would have won the Big 12 IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 frankly I'm not the least bit surprised that both were blowouts. Neither are we. The Pac-10 sucks. And tonight was a home game for Cal. Should we not be surprised the Co-Puke -10 Champs can beat up on the #4 team from the Big 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Private - you are outta your mind- keep coming up with these excuses - unreal. The Pac 10 was dominant over the Big 12, and TOS is fishing with this post bc it is a joke. Only a complete homer can't see and admit this. You just saw a Cal team that would have won the Big 12 IMO. Cal would have lost 4 games in the Big 12. And SC would have lost at least 2. But then again, SC lost to a UCLA team that was just embarassed by a non winning record FSU team, and Oregon St may not even win their bowl game either. Flat out embarassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Cal would have lost 4 games in the Big 12. And SC would have lost at least 2. But then again, SC lost to a UCLA team that was just embarassed by a non winning record FSU team, and Oregon St may not even win their bowl game either. Flat out embarassing. Again- wake up - I am waiting for the first real argument on how exactly the Big 12 was a better conference this year over the PAC 10............ Here are the facts Pac 10 had.........4wins v. top 10..........27..........top30 Big 12 had.........0wins.v..top 10..........6............top30 It ain't even close, the Pac 10 wiped it's ass with the Big 12 from top to bottom....... Beat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Cal would have lost 4 games in the Big 12. And SC would have lost at least 2. But then again, SC lost to a UCLA team that was just embarassed by a non winning record FSU team, and Oregon St may not even win their bowl game either. Flat out embarassing. 55-19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 Again- wake up - I am waiting for the first real argument on how exactly the Big 12 was a better conference this year over the PAC 10............ Here are the facts Pac 10 had.........4wins v. top 10..........27..........top30 Big 12 had.........0wins.v..top 10..........6............top30 It ain't even close, the Pac 10 wiped it's ass with the Big 12 from top to bottom....... Beat it You are a F'n liar. Show me 4 wins the Pac-10 had over the top 10. The only top 10 team to show a L was OU, and we all know why that happened. The Big 12 is head and shoulders better than the Puke 10. Just like last yr when SC was the best team ever, and texas punked them in their own back yard. Sc will lose again at home this yr. The Puke 10 was holding its breath on Cal, as that is possibly the only Bowl win the conference will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprofessor Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 You are a F'n liar. Show me 4 wins the Pac-10 had over the top 10. The only top 10 team to show a L was OU, and we all know why that happened. The Big 12 is head and shoulders better than the Puke 10. Just like last yr when SC was the best team ever, and texas punked them in their own back yard. Sc will lose again at home this yr. The Puke 10 was holding its breath on Cal, as that is possibly the only Bowl win the conference will get. Ho hum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 29, 2006 Share Posted December 29, 2006 (edited) Back to the topic at hand. Neither impressed me at all this year. Neither impresses me now. Frankly, I would have liked to see the Big East get some harder bowl matchups because I think the top teams were actually good and would have enjoyed seeing how they fared against some of the best from the SEC and Big 10. Well, check that. I'm actually liking the fact that the SEC and Big 10 are squaring up as much as they are since that's been the big issue at the heart of the Florida v Michigan argument. None the less, my point is that I was more impressed by what was coming out of the Big East than anything I saw from anyone else but the SEC, OSU, and Mich. Edited December 29, 2006 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 Pac 10 2-3 Winning the easy match ups and losing the marginal ones Big 12 1-3 doing nothing well so far, as usual it'll be left up to Texas and OU, who both just happened to draw about as easy a game as they could wish for. Golphers pounding TTech 21-0 early, could move the Big 12 to 1-4 To me, for being the only huddler in the pool to go with the Golphers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcat2334 Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 You are a F'n liar. Show me 4 wins the Pac-10 had over the top 10. The only top 10 team to show a L was OU, and we all know why that happened. The Big 12 is head and shoulders better than the Puke 10. Just like last yr when SC was the best team ever, and texas punked them in their own back yard. Sc will lose again at home this yr. The Puke 10 was holding its breath on Cal, as that is possibly the only Bowl win the conference will get. Wrong again, what else is new...... dude- I did not pull those numbers out of thin air- if you can read, I provided a link to Sagarin's ratings, where it is all spelled out nicely for you. USC, while dummying the entire country, anywhere, anytime, lost to UCLA/OSU - do those not count as tope 10 wins?? pffff- The Pac had some tough outs in conference, unlike the cupcake patsies that thr Big 12 provide- your old and tired, the fact that the Pac 10 has 21, TWENTY ONE more wins vs. top 30 teams - puts your old tired ass out of your misery, jeezus can you ever admit anyting, or is it all excuses. Did I not just see that OSU beat yet another Big 12 team. I don't even want to venture a guess at the Pac 10 heads up vs. the Big 12 over the past few years, because we all know it is not pretty for your little 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 Gotta love these matchups. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/standings Rutgers the #2 team in the Big east, and #16 team in the country beats up the 7th best team in the Big 12, unranked Kansas State Then the Pac-10 Champs, Cal Bears beat up the #4 team from the Big 12, the #21 A@M Aggies Okie St, just happens to beat an equally ranked Bama team. To make matters worse, The Pac 10- loses to a WAC, and a MAC team, and gets embarrased by a Fla St team that doesnt even have a winning record. God, I don't know where to begin. Of course, you could begin by not continually ducking every time someone brings up valid and gaping holes in your childish logic. That said, why do you constantly tweak stats/flat out lie to make your points? BYU and Rutgers are both ranked in the mid teens. According to CBSSportsline (the only somewhat reputable source I could find for ranks through 119), K-State and Oregon are also ranked about the same (OU-44, K-State-47, for those keeping score at home). So how is one an embarrassment and the other a completely unfair matchup that should not be counted in determining your conferences? Second off, Cal is not the Pac 10 champ as you say. I think we all know this. OK, so it's #2 vs #4 and a game that Cal should win, but by 35? Suffice to say that Oregon St. barely beating Mizzou and Tech needing a historic collapse essentially cancel each other out in terms of less than sterling statments. Guessing you wont be making as much bad matchups noise given the fact that UT is playing a 6-6 Iowa team or OU is playing someone from a lower tiered conference if they manage to win those games. Whatever. Please proceed to the challenge I issued not once but twice about validating your claim that for being jobbed in the Oregon game you should be playing in Glendale against OSU. The thing that astounds me is that you and several others keep going on about all the people championing the Pac-10. Funny thing is, there's about 12 people hating on them and two saying they're good. Feel free to get over yourselves anytime now. Especially considering all that noise is coming from the Big 10 and Big 12 who have combined to go 2-5 thus far in bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted December 30, 2006 Author Share Posted December 30, 2006 So how is one an embarrassment and the other a completely unfair matchup that should not be counted in determining your conferences? It's a completely fair statement Sarge has made, imo. Just like the Big 10. Since 2 teams in our conference made the BCS bowls, our bottem bowl feeders got matched up against much better teams from other conferences, not mid major crap that the PAC 10 faced and lost too. All in all, match ups determine the winners of these bowl games. 6-6 Iowa vs 9-3 Texas.................come on! A loss here for the Big 10 is expected by everyone, to pull the conference down because we got poor match ups is the LIE you speak of, we're underdogs in every game except the NC game. We face teams with better records in every game except 2 , all those teams are from the Big 4 conferences, not mid major crap like Hawaii or BYU for chriminey sakes. Sholving the Big 12 to the dirt for losing K.St vs Rutgers is a f'ing joke, no one in the country figured they had a shot, completely unfair match up and assessment for the Big 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 30, 2006 Share Posted December 30, 2006 It's a completely fair statement Sarge has made, imo. Just like the Big 10. Since 2 teams in our conference made the BCS bowls, our bottem bowl feeders got matched up against much better teams from other conferences, not mid major crap that the PAC 10 faced and lost too. All in all, match ups determine the winners of these bowl games. 6-6 Iowa vs 9-3 Texas.................come on! A loss here for the Big 10 is expected by everyone, to pull the conference down because we got poor match ups is the LIE you speak of, we're underdogs in every game except the NC game. We face teams with better records in every game except 2 , all those teams are from the Big 4 conferences, not mid major crap like Hawaii or BYU for chriminey sakes. Sholving the Big 12 to the dirt for losing K.St vs Rutgers is a f'ing joke, no one in the country figured they had a shot, completely unfair match up and assessment for the Big 12. First off, most of the Big 10's main matchups come against the SEC which is in the same boat with respect to having two teams in the BCS so quit your crying. The Pac 10 and Big 12 are also in the same boat with respect to one another since each only has one BCS team. However, the Big 12 does have the honor of having a slightly larger percentage of it's conference in bowls (66% to 60%). Go Sarge Back to the Oregon/BYU vs K-State/Rutgers. Both Rutgers and BYU are ranked about the same. Neither has been a perennial power of late (though BYU has a massive historical advantage in reputation). Neither represents a conference that has been all that highly regarded of late. Certainly the Big East is a bigger deal this year but the voters apparently think that the two teams are about as good as each other. As for Oregon and K-State. Neither really deserved to be in a bowl. They both were mediocre at best. Anyone who thought Oregon had a shot is about as dillusional as anyone that thought K-State had a shot. Face it, Sarge and now you, do not have a limb to stand on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Second off, Cal is not the Pac 10 champ as you say. I think we all know this. OK, so it's #2 vs #4 and a game that Cal should win, but by 35? Cal is the Pac-10 Co-Champs you idiot. Next time do some research before you continue embarass yourself. The rest of this garbage you posted is as idiotic as what I just punked you on above. You are about the biggest idiot in this forum, outside 2 from the Puke-1 conference. Please quit embarassing yourself at every turn. I can only laugh in someones face so many times in a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 (edited) Cal is the Pac-10 Co-Champs you idiot. Next time do some research before you continue embarass yourself. The rest of this garbage you posted is as idiotic as what I just punked you on above. You are about the biggest idiot in this forum, outside 2 from the Puke-1 conference. Please quit embarassing yourself at every turn. I can only laugh in someones face so many times in a day. Hey Junior. Cal and USC ended up with the same conference record, but USC beat them head to head. That means they're not the freaking champ. In essentially every sports league known to man, that is the case. I can assure you that the Cal Bears are not walking around saying they are Pac 10 Champs. Maybe some Cal version of you is touting that BS but nobody with any sack. As for the rest of your "argument"... I ask you, as I have asked you time and again, only to see you limp away and hide like the pathetic little beech you are. Point out even one thing that I said that is not true. This time, bring anything remotely resembling an argument. Just once, I beg you, just once, be a man, show some sack, and bring something to the arguement but your standard useless garbage. Everyone here bothers to bring stats, sound arguments, whatever. You, just the same hack garbage. Be a man or go away. ARE BYU AND RUTGERS BASICALLY RANKED THE SAME?! ANSWER THE FREAKING QUESTION! ARE OREGON AND K-STATE BOTH MEDIOCRE TEAMS AT BEST THAT REALLY HAD NO BUSINESS BEING IN A BOWL?! ANSWER THE FREAKING QUESTION! THUS, HOW SHOULD EITHER RESULT BE VIEWED ANY DIFFERENTLY? ANSWER THE FREAKING QUESTION! Either that or slink away like you always do when someone brings facts that you simply can't deal with. Edited January 1, 2007 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWPFFL BrianW Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 No need to resort to personal insults now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 Apologies to everyone for the drunken rant. Back to the issue at hand. Sarge, the actual point here is that everyone is trying to determine the relative strength of the conferences and you continue to skew numbers in an attempt to bolster your rather poor case. Case in point: refering to Cal as the "pac 10 champ". Hell, I don't know, maybe they're being recognized as co champs, but for the sake of this argument, nobody here thinks that they are the best team in the Pac 10 as "pac 10 champ" would imply. Funny that when you are speaking of Big 12 teams you round down. You called K-State as the 7th best team in the Big 12 but by the same measure that you crown Cal as Pac 10 Champ, they're actually tied for 5th. In basically every match-up you've made, you've over-estimated the relative strength of the Big 12 opponent and underestimated that of the Big 12 team. Here's another wrinkle. Now bear with me because this is going to involve some complex math. There are 12 teams in the Big 12 and 10 in the Pac 10 (that, BTW, is what the number in the conference name means). So when you make some big deal about how Oregon is the 5th best Pac 10 team and K-State is the 7th best Big 12 team, you're really splitting hairs. There is 1/12th difference between their relative strengths with respect to their conferences. That is, BTW the exact same difference that exists between OK St (Big 12 8th) and Alabama (SEC 9th) but you conveniently claimed they were "ranked the same" when you notched that win up for the Big 12. So, back to my question. Youve got Rutgers and BYU. Neither perennial football powers of late, both have had great seasons and playing Big 12 and Pac 10 teams that by your own estimation of what "ranked the same is" represent the same strata within their conference. Both get their asses kicked. So, again, this time let them hear you in the back row. How is one an ugly loss for the Pac 10 and the other a completely unfair matchup for the Big 12? Why do you need to cook your arguments to make excuses for the Big 12? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 No need to resort to personal insults now. should have quoted it, now we'll never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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